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Russia Accepts Ukraine Monitors as West Warns on Troops

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Russia agreed to international monitors arriving in Ukraine amid more turmoil in the region and as Western nations expressed growing concern over the Kremlin massing troops on the border with its neighbor. While talks about the monitors with Russia were “difficult,” their presence may help avoid escalation of the conflict, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters in Kiev yesterday. Pro-Kremlin forces seized a military airport in Crimea and ousted Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych’s supporters protested in the country’s east. The six-month monitoring mission is meant to cool tensions in ... (full story)

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Mar 23, 2014 10:24am

If I understand the treaty signed between Russia and Ukraine some 20 years ago; Ukraine agreed to give up its nukes back to Russia and Russia agreed to Ukraine borders and national integrity. That was the give and take. You can correct me if I am wrong but it seems to me Russia violated that treaty and promise big time.

Mar 23, 2014 4:11pm

Quoting spike00spieg

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Putin will get Russia destroyed or turn it into the next Nord Koreea, already there is no opposition or free press in Russia and all the communist leaders were very loved in the beginning. If the West makes a very good missile defense system with lasers (which are not far from action) Russia is history.

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don't be a idiot

Mar 23, 2014 4:35pm

Quoting highway

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You are right Nanningbob.
BUT Crimea is Ukraine.They want border change.
And the leaders in Kiev are not elected by Crimea Ukrainians neither by other parts of Ukraine.
Politics isn't so simple.

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Thanks for the explanation. What is funny is I almost sent my resume to a Ukrainian school to teach English when this all happened. SOOOOO I will look somewhere for the fall.

Mar 23, 2014 6:32pm

From what I understand, it was a combined treaty between Ukraine, Russia and the US, not to use force or threaten military action against it in exchange for its arsenal.

Would US armed rebels constitute force from the US?

That's how all this started wasn't it?

It's a joke the US administration warning the Ukrainian Govt not to use force against the "peaceful protests".

They issued the same warning to the Syrian Govt way back when.

Mar 24, 2014 1:10am

Ukraine's flame will extinct pretty quickly in the end. Within couple months everyone will accept the fact that Crimea is a part of the Russian federation and that is it. A lot of noise for nothing - what is done is done. And after all - there are a lot of Russian people there that have the right to choose what they deem appropriate for their own well being.

Artificially composed federations never last long - see what happened in Yugoslavia in the 90s.

Mar 23, 2014 11:28am

Quoting nanningbob

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If I understand the treaty signed between Russia and Ukraine some 20 years ago; Ukraine agreed to give up its nukes back to Russia and Russia agreed to Ukraine borders and national integrity. That was the give and take. You can correct me if I am wrong but it seems to me Russia violated that treaty and promise big time.

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You are right Nanningbob.
BUT Crimea is Ukraine.They want border change.
And the leaders in Kiev are not elected by Crimea Ukrainians neither by other parts of Ukraine.
Politics isn't so simple.

Mar 23, 2014 11:45am — Edited

Sorry, I confess I could be an idiot. Does a 3rd term prime minister or president means a country has a dictatorship government? Or is there an ignorant idiot posting here.
Singapore's Lee Kwan Yew ( chinese parents )was the best head of state I ever knew. A dictator?

http://asiancorrespondent.com/24261/mr-lee-kuan-yew-the-confucian-genius/

http://www.celticfringe.net/opinions/asianway.shtml

http://www.lee-kuan-yew.com/leekuanyew-fareedzakaria-interview.html

Mar 23, 2014 7:49am — Edited

Quoting EventHorizon

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Got to have give and take. ...... This is a so-called democracy, but if the media owners are not in agreement with the protesters, then they have no voice. That is capitalist censorship and propaganda. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. It all bullshit.

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What if your government takes everything you have, including your soul and mind? What if there is no democracy anymore? What you have lemon and crazy i.e. LemonCrazy. You call democracy 2 wolves, what if you prefer some beasts? You call sheep voting, what if no more voting?

Look, how many political parties are there in your country? It must be more than 1, otherwise you can't call your country democracy. Well, you prefer otherwise, can't force you. That's democracy. You have your choice, I have my choice. We are allowed to choose. That's democracy.

What if someday you won't have any internet anymore, and sure no FF?

What if someday you can't attend the school of your choice anymore? What if someday you are sent to worrk in the dessert in the middle of Australia?

The list goes on.

Mar 23, 2014 12:03pm

Lee Kwan Yew is from Hakka ethnic with the Last name Lee. Lee was born a British subject.

In any case, he had Westerner background, and he was more like Westerners rather than Asian.
Since he was a British subject, you can be sure he was a Westerner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew

I am not so sure he was a dictator. If anybody can show me that he was dictator, I would be glad.

If a referendum is held in Singapore to choose between Rascia, or to be Singapore, you can understand what I mean.

Mar 23, 2014 1:02am

Come on imperialists - cool down the tension, bring the risk appetite back "on"! :-)

Mar 23, 2014 7:27am

Got to have give and take. For example the vote in Crimea was flawed in that there was no option for voting to stay with Ukraine on the ballot, but that many citizens wanting to rejoin Russia is democracy and even if not sanctioned by the west must be recognized. The hypocritical one-way biased immoderate stance of the west is making things worst. Just as the USA would move to protect its citizens, so too Russia must. As for freedom of press. I live in Australia and we have had tens of thousands of people protesting the extreme right-wing government and its punitive policies over the last week or so and virtually NOTHING has been reported in the media, and what little that has been has been negative and falsely reported to the point of being fiction. This is a so-called democracy, but if the media owners are not in agreement with the protesters, then they have no voice. That is capitalist censorship and propaganda. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. It all bullshit.

Mar 24, 2014 12:49am

Quoting hasmukh

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in this news what will effect on gold???

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Stable........

Mar 23, 2014 8:22am

in this news what will effect on gold???

Mar 23, 2014 1:39am — Edited

"Russia agreed to international monitors arriving in Ukraine"

Something does not sound good for Ukraine in this phrase.
Poor Ukraine
My compassion for this country

Mar 23, 2014 6:09am

Putin will get Russia destroyed or turn it into the next Nord Koreea, already there is no opposition or free press in Russia and all the communist leaders were very loved in the beginning. If the West makes a very good missile defense system with lasers (which are not far from action) Russia is history.

Mar 23, 2014 7:15am

You're a fool, stop posting the nonsense that (in your own head and deluded thought processing) might make sense.

Quoting spike00spieg

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Putin will get Russia destroyed or turn it into the next Nord Koreea, already there is no opposition or free press in Russia and all the communist leaders were very loved in the beginning. If the West makes a very good missile defense system with lasers (which are not far from action) Russia is history.

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Mar 23, 2014 7:36am

Good points well made.

Quoting EventHorizon

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Got to have give and take. For example the vote in Crimea was flawed in that there was no option for voting to stay with Ukraine on the ballot, but that many citizens wanting to rejoin Russia is democracy and even if not sanctioned by the west must be recognized. The hypocritical one-way biased immoderate stance of the west is making things worst. Just as the USA would move to protect its citizens, so too Russia must. As for freedom of press. I live in Australia and we have had tens of thousands of people protesting the extreme right-wing government...

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Mar 23, 2014 10:01am

Quoting Spreadbetter

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You're a fool, stop posting the nonsense that (in your own head and deluded thought processing) might make sense.

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I've more sense than your simple mind can understand, what you would argue that Russia is not becoming a dictatorship, with its 3rd term president and censure? The fact that what's maintaining the peace now is the nuclear "mutually destruction assured" when this is gone due to the technological advanced only a crazy man or a spark is needed, before the WW2 there were many dreamers like you including a UK prim-minister with its worthless piece of paper from Hitler.

Mar 23, 2014 10:39am

There was a (pro-russian)elected government in Ukraine that was tossed out by protesters. Now there is a new (pro-europe) unelected government in Ukraine. Are we sure Ukraine is better off now than before? When are the new Ukrainian elections supposed to be? After all, we want an elected government right?

Mar 23, 2014 11:22am

Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Vienna

Like 200 years ago....Nothing changed

" Poland remained partitioned between Russia, Prussia and Austria, with the largest part, the newly created Kingdom of Poland, remaining under Russian control."

Read "Poland" think "Ukraine"

Mar 24, 2014 3:17am — Edited

I lived in central part of Crimea and ten years ago my family returned to Russia. It was because Crimea under Ukrainian government was falling down. I have contact with my relatives from Crimea. 10 years gone, life became worse.

Unemployment rose high, some people became beggars and walked through village houses asking for slice of bread.
During winter school was closed for 3 months. There was no fuel for boiler house.
Or we were sitting at school in outerwear.
I remember Power outages were our usual life, so you had to prepare homework early while sun is still shining. If you haven't done it in time, candle is your friend, and welcome back to 19th century.
Can you imagine such situation in US or EU? If this is democracy I don't want it.

People not lived they survived. Nothing changed till now. Now Cremea have a chance for better and safe living.

In my district 85% of citizens were russians, 14% crimean tartars and 1% ukrainians. Crimea was russian state and that's why percentage of ukrainians is so small.

Western massmedia says it's annexation. No, its not. Don't believe them. Always search alternative sources. People tired of 22 years of Ukrainian government failure, and now neo-nazy party under the applause and funding of the West makes coup and takes power in Kiev with calls and cries "Ukraine for ukrainians only" and other ethnical groups of people should go away or will be cutted with knives like sheeps.
What do you think about such democracy, western people?

Imagine:

Breaking news: US indians woke up, got out from reservations with arms and flooded Washington, kicked away president Obama and took power with cries "America is for native people only" and other nations should go back home to mother Europe and Africa or will be cutted to pieces!

Crimeans said: no, thanks, we don't want to be under such government. They united, organized referendum and made a decision.

In my view, that is real democracy. Its reunion and this is fact.

You will hear soon about ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, because many russians, jews and other nations still live there and I wonder why the West supports all this.

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Mar 23, 2014 7:35am

Questions regarding autonomy or separation of sub-national regions cannot be made solely on the basis of the population of those regions alone. There must be a mechanism that involves the country as a whole. It goes without saying that any plebiscite must be done in accordance with the national constitution, and must be fair and transparent with more than one option on the ballot. None of these things were done in Crimea. That vote was a farce and the purported results were not only dubious, but likely made of whole cloth. Why on Earth would the ~40% of Crimeans who are either Ukrainian or Tatar vote to join Putin's Russia? The answer is none, because either they did not vote because they felt fear and intimidation by the pro-Russian thugs, or their votes were not counted.

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Mar 23, 2014 12:57pm

I don't see any peaceful ending to this situation. Putin is pushing the Western allies around with impunity, without any resistance except useless sanctions talk. Time for USA to put equipment and boots in Ukraine. Sorry to say, but it is the only option to save Ukraine. The Russians can be beaten on the ground, though it will take a monumental effort.

"As the author relates, even the Russians who had served in Afghanistan had never experienced such “horrors” as the barrage of SADF artillery across the Lomba River. Under fire from the G-6 guns and the Mirage and Buccaneer aircraft, FAPLA brigades panicked and deserted the field in flight, leaving behind their Soviet equipment in a graveyard of tanks, trucks, ammunition, and other materiel. At one stage of the retreat (according to Zhdarkin), they were even bombed with “chemical weapons containing poisonous gas,” against which they had no gas masks for protection (p. 269). Finally, and after nearly two months of retreating under fire, the author was able to join the Soviet advisors of the 59th and 16th brigades awaiting the defense of Cuito Cuanavale."

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23035

No easy way out here.

Mar 23, 2014 2:38pm

Pendoses, relax!

) Crimea was, now and will forever be part of Russia!

Trader#B6C8

Mar 23, 2014 11:18pm

New election for ukraine will begin in may.

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