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  • #61
  • Jan 28, 2014 3:12pm Jan 28, 2014 3:12pm
Quoting pt2004
The offline charts are built, but they only appear after the ea creating them is removed from chart and the platform is restarted, obviously they don't update after this, i think its only a matter of time until everything is working again, sticking to 509 while i still can... {image}
Yes it is the problem, you can disconnect Mt4, and everything is working, only you connecting to a server everything is stoped working.
In order to load indicator in to Mt4 ( simple past in indicators folder), I have to uninstall mt4, and install it again, and drope the indicator, because after you make the first start, and it is connected to server, it is stuck!
Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil
  • #62
  • Jan 28, 2014 7:35pm Jan 28, 2014 7:35pm
if this is just normal offline charts - the problem has already been fixed
(although not by Metaqoutes)

over on FXTSD
  • #63
  • Jan 29, 2014 5:09am Jan 29, 2014 5:09am
Quoting monocor
{quote} Yes it is the problem, you can disconnect Mt4, and everything is working, only you connecting to a server everything is stoped working. In order to load indicator in to Mt4 ( simple past in indicators folder), I have to uninstall mt4, and install it again, and drope the indicator, because after you make the first start, and it is connected to server, it is stuck!
It probably depends on a vendor, for me they never stopped working if using the latest version.
  • #64
  • Jan 29, 2014 6:32am Jan 29, 2014 6:32am
Quoting Carlsberg
if this is just normal offline charts - the problem has already been fixed (although not by Metaqoutes) over on FXTSD

Yes, but they fixed only renko, I need Range bars
Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil
  • #65
  • Jan 29, 2014 7:33am Jan 29, 2014 7:33am
Quoting monocor
{quote} Yes, but they fixed only renko, I need Range bars
Oh I see, I missed the source was included in the end of the message.
I do not use the above open version, so luckily I was not affected by the change. Actually I use range bars on 579, the one that I found in the Commercial part of this forum. It has some trial period, so it may help until any free version comes.
  • #66
  • Jan 29, 2014 9:06am Jan 29, 2014 9:06am
Quoting Halley
{quote} Oh I see, I missed the source was included in the end of the message. I do not use the above open version, so luckily I was not affected by the change. Actually I use range bars on 579, the one that I found in the Commercial part of this forum. It has some trial period, so it may help until any free version comes.
Can you plz give me a link
Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil
  • #67
  • Jan 29, 2014 9:10am Jan 29, 2014 9:10am
Quoting monocor
{quote} Yes, but they fixed only renko, I need Range bars
Renko and normal offline charts are fixed - new indis for both
Range Bars, not sure and have nt seen anyone ask for it over there
  • #68
  • Jan 29, 2014 9:19am Jan 29, 2014 9:19am
Quoting RaptorUK
{quote} Correct, anything that works with offline charts will no longer work though as the .hst file format has changed.
I can't find anything anywhere describing how coding .hst and offline charts is changing with the new version.
Anyone seen a description of this particular change?......and therefore what we have to do to modify it to make it work?
  • #69
  • Jan 29, 2014 11:26am Jan 29, 2014 11:26am
Quoting monocor
{quote} Can you plz give me a link
Not sure if links to Commercial are tolerated in this part of forum.
If yes, then http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=455390, otherwise I will edit it out.
  • #70
  • Jan 29, 2014 2:45pm Jan 29, 2014 2:45pm
Quoting euclid
{quote} I think some people have been trying out the beta update not realising that any instance of MT4 on the same machine will see the new version and update itself.

Quoting RaptorUK
{quote} Only if you install the beta in a way that makes this happen. My beta installs have updated from 574 to 577 last night and my live 509 builds are unaffected. The "new" MT4 is due to go live on the 3rd Feb and I suspect, not been told anything officially, that it will be rolled out to all MT4 users without any choice. If your code uses offline charts . . . fix it quick, the .hst file format is changing.
Hi Raptor,

Can I confirm that with this install method you describe at http://forum.mql4.com/60232/page3#897010 any other instances of MT4 on the same machine will NOT see the new version and update themselves? What exactly is it that permits this auto updating of other mt4 instances on a machine?
  • #71
  • Jan 29, 2014 5:44pm Jan 29, 2014 5:44pm
Quoting fxGrace
Can I confirm that with this install method you describe at http://forum.mql4.com/60232/page3#897010 any other instances of MT4 on the same machine will NOT see the new version and update themselves?
It worked OK for me. b509 and b579 working on the same PC.

All I need now is a way to get indicators and EAs to reload automatically in the b579 terminal when recompiled using the b509 compiler.
  • #72
  • Jan 29, 2014 8:00pm Jan 29, 2014 8:00pm
just got a message from my broker :

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We are delaying the update - making sure everything is all good before pushing it to clients. We will wait for the approval from OneZero as well as they keep tabs on the forums and community to make sure everything has been sorted across other brokers before pushing the new build with our clients.
  • #73
  • Jan 30, 2014 2:58am Jan 30, 2014 2:58am
Quoting euclid
{quote} It worked OK for me. b509 and b579 working on the same PC. All I need now is a way to get indicators and EAs to reload automatically in the b579 terminal when recompiled using the b509 compiler.
Thanks for your reply Euclid. I installed b579 and previous b509s have remained untouched. On loading the b509 ex4 files of indicators, EAs and scripts however, I find that not one of them is even listed in the Navigator window; so there can be no talk as yet of them even working. I'm still hoping there's something I'm missing and that this is not the reality on the ground now! It's scary.

Has anyone been able to load their b509-compiled indis and EAs in b579? If so, please tell me what I'm missing.
  • #74
  • Jan 30, 2014 5:54am Jan 30, 2014 5:54am
Quoting fxGrace
{quote} Thanks for your reply Euclid. I installed b579 and previous b509s have remained untouched. On loading the b509 ex4 files of indicators, EAs and scripts however, I find that not one of them is even listed in the Navigator window; so there can be no talk as yet of them even working. I'm still hoping there's something I'm missing and that this is not the reality on the ground now! It's scary. Has anyone been able to load their b509-compiled indis and EAs in b579? If so, please tell me what I'm missing.
Click File > Open data folder
20 pips a day isn't too much to ask . . .
  • #75
  • Edited 8:06am Jan 30, 2014 7:37am | Edited 8:06am
Quoting RaptorUK
{quote} Click File > Open data folder
Thanks Raptor. I opened the Data Folder and navigated to the indicators folder (MQL4/Indicators) but I can only see the native 579 indicators. None of the 509 ex4 files I copied into it!

BTW, I opened MetaEditor in 579 just to have a look, and thereafter, ALL the mq4 files on my machine (including an attached external drive) have been given a new icon bearing 5 on it!


EDIT: OK got it, thank you!
  • #76
  • Jan 31, 2014 2:54pm Jan 31, 2014 2:54pm
The following (copied from another post of mine) is my current understanding:

[highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia]MetaQuotes [/highlight][highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia]claim here that existing .ex4 files (EAs/indicators/scripts) can be ported ‘as is’ into the new look MT4, and will run correctly. If this is true, then difficulties arise only if programmers need to modify them. In which case programmers have two choices: [/highlight]

[highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia]#1. Maintain two separate versions of MT4. Make the changes using the ‘old’ MQL4 programming language (build 509). Then exit MT4 (build 574**), copy the .ex4 from build 509 to 574, and restart MT4 (build 574), so that it will pick up the newly modified .ex4 file.[/highlight]

[highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia]Testing code on build 509 will remain possible until MetaQuotes compel brokers to discontinue the price feed on that build. After that, all testing would need to be performed on build 574, which means going through the process of copying the .ex4 file, and exiting and restarting MT4 (which takes 3–4 minutes on my computer) every time the programmer needs to test even the tiniest change. [/highlight]

[highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia]#2. The alternative is to commit entirely to the new look MT4 (build 574). This effectively means learning an ‘object oriented’ programming language and rewriting all EAs/indicators/scripts, and then maintaining them, using build 574's editor and compiler.[/highlight]

[highlight=rgb(244, 246, 249); font-family:georgia][** or whatever the latest build number happens to be][/highlight]

If I'm wrong, or have missed anything, could someone please correct me?

Many thanks,
David
  • #77
  • Jan 31, 2014 3:22pm Jan 31, 2014 3:22pm
Quoting hanover
The following (copied from another post of mine) is my current understanding: MetaQuotes claim here that existing .ex4 files (EAs/indicators/scripts) can be ported ‘as is’ into the new look MT4, and will run correctly. If this is true, then difficulties arise only if programmers need to modify them. In which case programmers have two choices: #1. Maintain two separate versions of MT4. Make the changes using the ‘old’ MQL4 programming language (build 509). Then exit MT4 (build 574**),...
Hi David,

I actually tried to pm you regarding this earlier today but discovered you could not be reached. Yes indeed, these are the two options available for now (and the near future, barring other brainwaves from MQ!!!). I can confirm that the first choice is already working as I have been able to load ALL my EAs, indis and scripts, and currently have them running flawlessly.

So, with this option available, will you reconsider your current position on spot forex? I am particularly interested, in your continued support of all your contributions to date!
  • #78
  • Jan 31, 2014 4:08pm Jan 31, 2014 4:08pm
its all gone to pot by the looks of it at MQs

what MQs obviously fail to fully realise is they are no longer the only viable option
and who wants to do all this extra work everytime MQs release a new build, which at the moment seems to be every other day

the latest build has stopped normal MTF indicators working, they run on 509 and 574
but not on 584 or whatever build no. they are on today
and what stops working tomorrow or monday, offline charts or the 50,000 plus indicators that people have spent millions of hrs creating - all for what?
so MQs can sell their signals and apps, they can have it all, but for some reason have dropped the ball (again)

it will soon be time (if not already) for all serious traders to move on from MQ's

all traders most want to do is trade
and not have to learn how to code
(life's to short for all this)
  • #79
  • Jan 31, 2014 4:25pm Jan 31, 2014 4:25pm
Quoting Carlsberg
its all gone to pot by the looks of it at MQs what MQs obviously fail to fully realise is they are no longer the only viable option and who wants to do all this extra work everytime MQs realise a new build which at the moment seems to be every other day the latest build has stopped normal MTF indicators working, they run on 509 and 574 but not on 584 or whatever build no. they are on today and what stops working tomorrow or monday, offline charts or the 50,000 plus indictors that people have spent millions of hrs creating - all for what? so MQs...
You are so, so right. I only just now discovered (right after my last post which was regarding build 579) that a vital mtf indicator that was working earlier has suddenly stopped working. Couldn't understand it until I read your post just now and went back to check the build. Lo and behold, it had been upgraded to 583. Now if that is not sheer madness, then tell me what is.

This means that, in the last few hours or so, MQ decided that mtf indicators from 509 are no longer welcome and have, what do you know, gone straight off, not just to implement it but to force an immediate upgrade of existing live platforms.

It appears to be such a haphazard process as no serious-minded person would want to deal with, and carried on with such blatant disregard of users it borders on contempt. No doubt, a serious exploration of an alternative platform is now overdue.
  • #80
  • Jan 31, 2014 4:40pm Jan 31, 2014 4:40pm
Quoting Carlsberg
its all gone to pot by the looks of it at MQs what MQs obviously fail to fully realise is they are no longer the only viable option and who wants to do all this extra work everytime MQs release a new build, which at the moment seems to be every other day the latest build has stopped normal MTF indicators working, they run on 509 and 574 but not on 584 or whatever build no. they are on today and what stops working tomorrow or monday, offline charts or the 50,000 plus indicators that people have spent millions of hrs creating - all for what? so MQs...
In my opinion that isn't the reason . . . I think this is being done as a means to getting Users to move to MT5, by way of MT4.5 as a stepping stone . . .
20 pips a day isn't too much to ask . . .
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