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  • #1,821
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:21pm Jan 17, 2014 3:21pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} I run EAs that have the ability to cost average and either add on increment or use a multiplier. Based on the system that I am running, over the last 2 weeks they are hitting 70% in accordance with the rules as dictated by my trade system thread. 70% an over 200 trades... That kinda blows your shit right outa the water.... Additionally, I do cost average in trades...I have absolutely no problem doing that and NO, I will NEVER set a stop loss, because I don't have to. Based on the areas of market that I trade, and Because of the "PREDICTABILITY"...

Sorry you shouted at me earlier for saying you used EA's and NO you don't, and first line, I run EA's LOL

Nobody cares your a LIAR!!

Can you prove any of this BS ?? NO, will you prove ? NO!! FECK OFF!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,822
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:22pm Jan 17, 2014 3:22pm
Quoting Turveyd
I'll be nice, give the newbies a chance!! Here is EJ today, nice clear downtrend dictated by the 120sma lines going down, So enter shorts near the upper yellow 21sma 0.07% envelope line and set SL by the dotted yellow lines and count the losers, ohhhh none!! Market is not random, simple as, obviously most are trying to trade H4 which is much nearer random so I understand why they think this. Troll's stop trying to disprove everything, you'll never be happy I get it, my account is big enough to count, bla bla bla bla bla for ever, GROW UP!! {image}...

Awesome hindsight analysis, dipstick.

Let's see the mad money you've made off not trading it.

Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,823
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:23pm Jan 17, 2014 3:23pm
Quoting Magix
{quote}Really Turv If you hit all 9 trades...where's the proof of that. Why wouldn't you be boasting gains instead of continuously talking bullshit.

Just saving Ammo for later, let you dig yourself into a much bigger hole first LOL

Stop going off topic and bashing.
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,824
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:23pm Jan 17, 2014 3:23pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Awesome hindsight analysis, dipstick. Let's see the mad money you've made off not trading it. Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,825
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:28pm Jan 17, 2014 3:28pm
Quoting PipMeUp
{quote} Am I the only one in group C, who sees a random, inefficient market?
Maybe I'm there with you!
  • #1,826
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:32pm Jan 17, 2014 3:32pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!
No...

Dead spot on.

You've made nothing on EJ.

Zero.
Zilch.
Donuts.
No bananas for monkey boy.

And...since when have you shown any consideration for the topic?

Mine are just rebuttals for your transparent fallacies and bold faced lies.
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,827
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:35pm Jan 17, 2014 3:35pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} No... Dead spot on. You've made nothing on EJ. Zero. Zilch. Donuts. No bananas for monkey boy. And...since when have you shown any consideration for the topic? Mine are just rebuttals for your transparent fallacies and bold faced lies.

Sorry, it's an example, find where I said I traded on EJ, made 2 trades this week, 3 positions.

Stop trying to lie your way out of a hole, you have been PROVEN to be a liar.


Mr I don't use EA's or trade a grid, who then described his EA and grid system with no SL's for all to see LOL

Only newbies are interested in the get rich / zero effort Martingale method's, which you no doubt sell them SCAMMER!!


LIAR!!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,828
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:40pm Jan 17, 2014 3:40pm
Quoting PipMeUp
{quote} Am I the only one in group C, who sees a random, inefficient market?
Quoting GEfx
{quote} Maybe I'm there with you!
I'd put myself in this group too. All I know points to an inefficient market so there is no doubt in my mind that it is so. Random is trickier. Imho price moves with intent much like a person, so in a sense it is not random. However, to accurately anticipate price or a person's next action is a de facto impossibility. So, for all practical purposes (that is in every sense that matters to us) price is random, and one is stuck with probabilities, which is the second best thing after mind reading.
"To hold, you must first open your hand. Let go." - Lao Tzu
  • #1,829
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:43pm Jan 17, 2014 3:43pm
It's an inefficient market, floating on the foundations of a very fragile and inefficient world economy which is based on pure debt.
  • #1,830
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:46pm Jan 17, 2014 3:46pm
Quoting smittens4212
{quote} That's called wisdom and maturity. I like to talk trading, but honestly there's so little of actual value here and so much noise, it's like you can either participate in these shitfests or just hang back and not post at all. I've barely posted at all in the last two years but I liked the concept of this thread and really wanted it to go somewhere, if at least just to pass the time. But without the thread starter actively moderating the thread, on a public forum you're just asking for it to go to hell. And here we are.
The reason i avoid fights and arguments is that i have never seen on this forum in 5 years that two person having an argument ever reached a conclusion or one side saying "I was wrong you are right".

They just keep running circles around each other with flawed logic,useless facts and cliches. No one ever stops and really think if they might be wrong.

How many thread we have seen about trading with/without stops or like this one about random or not random.

On the subject, i cant figure how someone would call the market random and than goes on to put their hard earned money in an account and trade it.
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  • #1,831
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:50pm Jan 17, 2014 3:50pm
Quoting nasir.khan
{quote} The reason i avoid fights and arguments is that i have never seen on this forum in 5 years that two person having an argument ever reached a conclusion or one side saying "I was wrong you are right". They just keep running circles around each other with flawed logic,useless facts and cliches. No one ever stops and really think if they might be wrong. How many thread we have seen about trading with/without stops or like this one about random or not random. On the subject, i cant figure how someone would call the market random and than goes...

I win all arguements eventually, I just like to take my time and let them dig themselves into a nice deep hole LOL

Magix has just publicly proved himself, to be a liar LOL



Troll's need slapping down and keeping in check, or they just spam the board as to how good they are with no proof just like he's doing right here, all claims and nothing to support it.

My method is better than yours, so don't bother to post your method mentality, my method is REAL, yours is to scam others into paying your bills!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,832
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:55pm Jan 17, 2014 3:55pm
Quoting billytt
{quote} Good question. As I am on a boat bobbing up and down and using phone. I cannot view chart too well nor the time frame. But if it is say hourly 4 hourly daily. I would of drawn levels off highs/lows res/support and it is uptrend. So thats a start. Next look for inside bar or maybe you like candles with long tails. Ema cross. Look for clues. Most eas are drawn off simple signals
Right, you sit down and perform analysis of the chart. But, if you are from Group A, your analysis is useless because the market is random. Your analysis is an illusion, and any move you make is a foolish guess. If you are from Group B, your perspective is quite different. Your analysis is based on market observations, etc. Your performance is based on your ability to execute a winning strategy (and for those in Group C, something in between). It has to be pretty difficult to be in Group A and attempt to become a retail trader. If you don't believe there is structure, and if you can't make use of TA, then your chances of finding success here are pretty slim. So, let me ask Red this question. If the market repeatedly demonstrates structure, and if it can be shown that TA is an excellent way to measure the market, why would you question it?
  • #1,833
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:56pm Jan 17, 2014 3:56pm
Quoting vox dei
{quote} {quote} I'd put myself in this group too. All I know points to an inefficient market so there is no doubt in my mind that it is so. Random is trickier. Imho price moves with intent much like a person, so in a sense it is not random. However, to accurately anticipate price or a person's next action is a de facto impossibility. So, for all practical purposes (that is in every sense that matters to us) price is random, and one is stuck with probabilities, which is the second best thing after mind reading.
LOL, and sometimes that's all we got!
  • #1,834
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:57pm Jan 17, 2014 3:57pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} Sorry, it's an example, find where I said I traded on EJ, made 2 trades this week, 3 positions. Stop trying to lie your way out of a hole, you have been PROVEN to be a liar. Mr I don't use EA's or trade a grid, who then described his EA and grid system with no SL's for all to see LOL Only newbies are interested in the get rich / zero effort Martingale method's, which you no doubt sell them SCAMMER!! LIAR!!!
I do use EAs to take positions.

I have openly stated this.

I do trade Manually, have openly stated this too.

I do not rely on these for my prosperity, the auto traders are a hobby. This too has been openly stated.

The EAs have the ability to set stop losses and specific take profit points. They also have the ability to trade only a single lot and never add additional trades, these are all user specified.

Where and why would I sell something that I give away for free with a minimum $5 donation?

Point is...you have never found a single shred of evidence to disprove anything I have said. There isn't a single person that has come forward to say that I have sold them anything, because they simply don't exist. You have already tried to have me banned for selling in the forum and I am still here, because and again...THERE is NO evidence that I sell anything, service nor market product.

In the event that I did...I can actually, through my membership at FF do exactly that. If I was selling EAs there is nothing in the specific rules that says I cannot. If I was trading and managing funds, there is still nothing in the rules of membership that says I couldn't do this.

So...unless you can come up with me actually being in a lie, or proof that I have actually scammed somebody...using this is just a blaze and blind attack trying to get suckers to side with you. Unfortunately for you, you have even failed at this mission.

This is what I mean about your half assed efforts Turv...you'll never get anyplace until you can actually commit to something of benefit. And you are the clearest proof of and testimony for Einsteins definition of insanity. Coming on 8 years of doing the exact same thing and expecting different results.

Go back to the drawing board Turv.

You are still coming up empty.
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,835
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:57pm Jan 17, 2014 3:57pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} Right, you sit down and perform analysis of the chart. But, if you are from Group A, your analysis is useless because the market is random. Your analysis is an illusion, and any move you make is a foolish guess. If you are from Group B, your perspective is quite different. Your analysis is based on market observations, etc. Your performance is based on your ability to execute a winning strategy (and for those in Group C, something in between). It has to be pretty difficult to be in Group A and attempt to become a retail trader. If you don't...
Most TA is total BS though, so proving the market is X using BS is kinda pointless don't you think ??
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,836
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:58pm Jan 17, 2014 3:58pm
Quoting GDR3k
It's an inefficient market, floating on the foundations of a very fragile and inefficient world economy which is based on pure debt.
Yep, and I hope that all the money we make has some value when we get around to spending it.
  • #1,837
  • Jan 17, 2014 3:59pm Jan 17, 2014 3:59pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} I do use EAs to take positions. I have openly stated this. I do trade Manually, have openly stated this too. I do not rely on these for my prosperity, the auto traders are a hobby. This too has been openly stated. The EAs have the ability to set stop losses and specific take profit points. They also have the ability to trade only a single lot and never add additional trades, these are all user specified. Where and why would I sell something that I give away for free with a minimum $5 donation? Point is...you have never found a single shred...

a) this thread, is not about how you trade, so keep your how you trade to your own scammer thread, nobody is interested!

b) you accuse me of being a method / system jumper, so how am I doing the same thing ?

c) your a LIAR go away!!

d) how do we know, how many other ID's or sites you use to sell your EA's.
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,838
  • Jan 17, 2014 4:05pm Jan 17, 2014 4:05pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} Most TA is total BS though, so proving the market is X using BS is kinda pointless don't you think ??
You said "most" TA, not all, so you apparently have some TA that you find useful. I rely on a set of tools to help me trade. I wouldn't view anything I don't use as being BS, and I would never dispute their value to someone who knows how to use them. Honestly, the only thing I find to be BS, is the blanket notion that TA is BS. I can show you a thousand places on a chart where my TA does not work, and I can show you on a chart where it does work. It's apparent to me that some (not you) people on FF are too stupid to know and understand the difference, and instead just make the blanket statements.
  • #1,839
  • Jan 17, 2014 4:10pm Jan 17, 2014 4:10pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} You said "most" TA, not all, so you apparently have some TA that you find useful. I rely on a set of tools to help me trade. I wouldn't view anything I don't use as being BS, and I would never dispute their value to someone who knows how to use them. Honestly, the only thing I find to be BS, is the blanket notion that TA is BS. I can show you a thousand places on a chart where my TA does not work, and I can show you on a chart where it does work. It's apparent to me that some (not you) people on FF are too stupid to know and understand the...

I was being nice on the most part Haven't studied all of it to be fair, just enough to realise Nahhhh not for me.


If TA only works, by random chance ie 50% area of the time then does it really work ??


But your arguement was the market is random because TA doesn't work maybe ?? but that's assuming TA works, first you have to prove that
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,840
  • Jan 17, 2014 4:12pm Jan 17, 2014 4:12pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} a) this thread, is not about how you trade, so keep your how you trade to your own scammer thread, nobody is interested! b) you accuse me of being a method / system jumper, so how am I doing the same thing ? c) your a LIAR go away!! d) how do we know, how many other ID's or sites you use to sell your EA's.
A) My system is the purest definition of market predictability and I have shown reference to this.
B) Each system Jump you make is into the same horse shit idea of following some magical set of streaming Moving Averages, without any concept of actual market. Your jumps from time frame to time frame and system to system aren't really huge leaps, they are just variances of the consistent failures.
C) You posted a 25 pip gain and showed a screen shot of 14...Even at a net total of 20, it is still a lot off. The largest numbers on this little screen of yours are the P/L...don't tell me this was a mistake. You LIAR.
D) Why is this even a question? There is no proof that I sell anything, here or anyplace else. Even if there was, I fail to see how this is thread relevant.

FAIL
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