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  • First Post: Jan 14, 2014 10:32pm Jan 14, 2014 10:32pm
  •  Capelli
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Metatrade 4 has been around for years. MetaQuote created MT5 but since it was designed with the CFTC rules no one seems to use it. Will MetaQuote open a new platform knowing that no one uses the MT5 platform, MT6, or will they simply stick with MT4 ??
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  • Jan 14, 2014 11:09pm Jan 14, 2014 11:09pm
  •  Cujo2
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MetaQuotes is currently combining the functionality of MT4 and MT5 atm. They'll be releasing it as a patch down the track that will allow OOP to be used in MT4 but (hopefully) will still have the ticket trading system rather than MT5's one.

To be quite frank, I don't know why they didn't just have a server side functionality in MT5 to switch on or off ticket trading so we can all upgrade to MT5 rather than having 2 viable versions. That being said, another reason why people shyed away from MT5 was apparently how much more difficult it is to program. But I don't know much about that given I've never used MT5.

I am interested in this new patch that's coming, but I'm dreading having to recode all my trading scripts Apparently the old code will still work, but if we modify them we'll have to redesign them into the OOP version (or something like that. It's all on the MT4 forums).
 
 
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  • Jan 14, 2014 11:59pm Jan 14, 2014 11:59pm
  •  Capelli
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MetaQuotes is currently combining the functionality of MT4 and MT5 atm. They'll be releasing it as a patch down the track that will allow OOP to be used in MT4 but (hopefully) will still have the ticket trading system rather than MT5's one. To be quite frank, I don't know why they didn't just have a server side functionality in MT5 to switch on or off ticket trading so we can all upgrade to MT5 rather than having 2 viable versions. That being said, another reason why people shyed away from MT5 was apparently how much more difficult it is to program....
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Do we have a date for the release ?
 
 
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  • Jan 15, 2014 1:59am Jan 15, 2014 1:59am
  •  Cujo2
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Hmmm. It's either released now or available for testing now. I don't currently have it or have it as available for updating, so I assume it's available for testing.

http://forum.mql4.com/60075

EDIT: It's currently in the final stages of the public test.

Right down the bottom is the info on the MT4 code changes.
 
 
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  • Jan 15, 2014 2:00am Jan 15, 2014 2:00am
  •  MaxDoom
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{quote} Do we have a date for the release ?
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it's in beta at present I have used the combined compiler seems to work okay. Supposed to be going live in February
 
 
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  • Jan 15, 2014 4:44am Jan 15, 2014 4:44am
  •  Capelli
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Thank you guys for the reply. I cant wait for the new version
 
 
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  • Jan 15, 2014 6:51am Jan 15, 2014 6:51am
  •  entheos
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Yes, I heard they have plan MT6.
 
 
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  • Jan 15, 2014 11:23pm Jan 15, 2014 11:23pm
  •  hanover
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I'm dreading having to recode all my trading scripts
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Me too. I don't have the time to recode my existing EAs and indicators — I've written more than 500 of them. If they don't work 'as is' in the new MT4 release, I'll be quitting forex.
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 12:03am Jan 16, 2014 12:03am
  •  cja
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{quote} Me too. I don't have the time to recode my existing EAs and indicators — I've written more than 500 of them. If they don't work 'as is' in the new MT4 release, I'll be quitting forex.
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All of the current MT4 indicators I have tried on the new MT4 platform do work ( as long as you do not compile them ) although anything with an object label based display does have overlay issues, I have also noticed some indicators do not run as efficiently as they used to and a couple I compiled and then updated ( by that I mean updated only what was required for them to compile ) had serious refresh issues and the only solution was to totally rewrite them.

Its not worth converting too much yet as the next update could screw everything up and you would have to start over. You only have to look at the history of MT5 to see what I mean as many indicators coded when MT5 first come out no longer run on the latest updates. Its early days yet so I guess its just a wait and see for now.
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  • Jan 16, 2014 12:20am Jan 16, 2014 12:20am
  •  Proximus
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{quote} Me too. I don't have the time to recode my existing EAs and indicators — I've written more than 500 of them. If they don't work 'as is' in the new MT4 release, I'll be quitting forex.
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Quitting only for that, thats a poor excuse.And why you need 500 indicators and scripts to trade.Just recode which ones you use frequently and thats it.

BTW, if the compiler doesnt work, just copy the code in notepad and paste it back into the new compiler, i had a few issues with the old Metaeditor about this, but they fixed it for now, but may reappear in the new version so might never know.

Anyway i dont think its much difference, they just replace the old C based code with the extended C++, where they add new variable types like uint, short, long,float, and others.And its probably better, if you had a huge integer, instead of using double, you can now use long.

So i`m looking ahead for the new version.

But i hope they dont fu*k up the trading speed or the execution of orders, since its a big patch i hope it will be debugged, and i hope they can improve the execution speed and reduce the lag as much as it can be reduced by the platform, the rest is up to the brokers.
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 1:25am Jan 16, 2014 1:25am
  •  hanover
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{quote}Quitting only for that, thats a poor excuse.
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Why? Forex represents less than 1% of my total income from investments and trading. And all of my forex trading is automated, or at least semi-automated; without my arsenal of EAs, I'd be spending all of my spare time chart-watching, which is not my idea of fun, and totally inefficient time management.

The EAs and indicators work fine without new variable types and data classes; and re-coding in C++ just to keep MetaQuotes happy is a very poor excuse!
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 1:29am Jan 16, 2014 1:29am
  •  hanover
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{quote} All of the current MT4 indicators I have tried on the new MT4 platform do work ( as long as you do not compile them ) although anything with an object label based display does have overlay issues, I have also noticed some indicators do not run as efficiently as they used to and a couple I compiled and then updated ( by that I mean updated only what was required for them to compile ) had serious refresh issues and the only solution was to totally rewrite them. Its not worth converting too much yet as the next update could screw everything...
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Many thanks for the info.
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 2:14am Jan 16, 2014 2:14am
  •  Proximus
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{quote} Why? Forex represents less than 1% of my total income from investments and trading. And all of my forex trading is automated, or at least semi-automated; without my arsenal of EAs, I'd be spending all of my spare time chart-watching, which is not my idea of fun, and totally inefficient time management. The EAs and indicators work fine without new variable types and data classes; and re-coding in C++ just to keep MetaQuotes happy is a very poor excuse!
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Hmm sorry i didnt know that you trade other stuff too.But i think forex is a very nice market to be just given up.And i also use semi-automated EA for trade, mostly i plot the trades ahead and then it will trade even when i`m not infont of my pc.

Scripts and other stuff i dont see use of them.A complete coded ea for either full or semi automated methods, is much better.

But the new variable types are there to help, it can save a lot of memory, and make the EA faster if you are a volatility trader like i am, where its important to not miss the breakouts.
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 3:05am Jan 16, 2014 3:05am
  •  Capelli
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{quote} Why? Forex represents less than 1% of my total income from investments and trading. And all of my forex trading is automated, or at least semi-automated; without my arsenal of EAs, I'd be spending all of my spare time chart-watching, which is not my idea of fun, and totally inefficient time management. The EAs and indicators work fine without new variable types and data classes; and re-coding in C++ just to keep MetaQuotes happy is a very poor excuse!
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just y curiosity what are the other market you are trading in and were/are able to retire on them ??
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 3:57am Jan 16, 2014 3:57am
  •  hanover
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{quote} just y curiosity what are the other market you are trading in and were/are able to retire on them ??
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Let's just say that two particular software contracts were very kind to me during the 1990s. Since then I've cycled investments through various stocks, bonds and local funds (I live in New Zealand). However, the recession has wiped out around 7%–8% of my portfolio.

More recently, I've been starting to dabble in stock options, and although I'm very much a newbie, it looks possible to make 3% upward monthly by writing covered calls on carefully selected US stocks, at fairly low risk (provided markets don't fall sharply), and with much less time involvement than forex. Anyway, for better or worse, that's where my focus is currently heading.

Personally, I've found forex to be the most complex and difficult market to trade; even after 7 years of study, it's still little more than a hobby. I've enjoyed my time playing with MetaTrader, but I think it's time for me to admit to myself that I can't make it work lucratively without taking on more risk than my performance allows me to feel comfortable with. And if MT4 coding is going to become increasingly difficult, then it's another good reason to quit.

Sorry for the off-topic post; I will leave this thread alone now.
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 4:46am Jan 16, 2014 4:46am
  •  PeterE
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Like you I’ve been at this for 7 or so years. I’ve developed many strategies that had an edge for a time, but the edge never seemed to last long enough. Getting consistency over extended periods has been very difficult for me in forex. I have 6 months left, I’m up to my final strategy, which if like the previous strategies, should start to show inconsistency shortly.

I recall when I first started trading about 8 years ago, I started trading ASX news releases on major events. It was a lot of fun and very profitable. Forex is a stark contrast.

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{quote} Personally, I've found forex to be the most complex and difficult market to trade; even after 7 years of study, it's still little more than a hobby. I've enjoyed my time playing with MetaTrader, but I think it's time for me to admit to myself that I can't make it work lucratively without taking on more risk than my performance allows me to feel comfortable with. And if MT4 coding is going to become increasingly difficult, then it's another good reason to quit.
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  • Jan 16, 2014 9:17am Jan 16, 2014 9:17am
  •  Capelli
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{quote} Let's just say that two particular software contracts were very kind to me during the 1990s. Since then I've cycled investments through various stocks, bonds and local funds (I live in New Zealand). However, the recession has wiped out around 7%–8% of my portfolio. More recently, I've been starting to dabble in stock options, and although I'm very much a newbie, it looks possible to make 3% upward monthly by writing covered calls on carefully selected US stocks, at fairly low risk (provided markets don't fall sharply), and with much less...
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Thank you for sharing you experience with us Hanover. Its good to hear about people success, even tho its not necessarily about forex
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 12:20pm Jan 16, 2014 12:20pm
  •  hanover
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Like you I’ve been at this for 7 or so years. I’ve developed many strategies that had an edge for a time, but the edge never seemed to last long enough. Getting consistency over extended periods has been very difficult for me in forex. I have 6 months left, I’m up to my final strategy, which if like the previous strategies, should start to show inconsistency shortly. I recall when I first started trading about 8 years ago, I started trading ASX news releases on major events. It was a lot of fun and very profitable. Forex is a stark contrast. {quote}...
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Peter,

Off topic again, but just wanted to say that it sounds like our forex experiences have been similar. Agree that it's consistency that's difficult; it's like the old saying "it's easy to make money, more difficult to keep it".

Good luck with your final strategy.

Now I will definitely leave this thread, so that the MQL4 discussion may continue unimpeded.

David
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 3:01pm Jan 16, 2014 3:01pm
  •  hayseed
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I have 6 months left
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//------

hey peter..... your words seem ominous..... 6 months of what left......

i can remember my final strategy .... all 300 of'em........h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2014 3:23pm Jan 16, 2014 3:23pm
  •  PeterE
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yes, "consistency" has always been the magic word for me

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{quote} Peter, Off topic again, but just wanted to say that it sounds like our forex experiences have been similar. Agree that it's consistency that's difficult; it's like the old saying "it's easy to make money, more difficult to keep it". Good luck with your final strategy. Now I will definitely leave this thread, so that the MQL4 discussion may continue unimpeded. David
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hey hay , .......of forex

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{quote} //------ hey peter..... your words seem ominous..... 6 months of what left......
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