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  • #1,061
  • Jan 6, 2014 11:31am Jan 6, 2014 11:31am
@ Rap Skallion: Be careful, I don't think his stats is reliable at all. In fact I guest he just made it up to defend his ego. Take a look at his given sample size, it just doesn't add up to what he claimed.
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The sample size is 20 years sized historical data, and found 2 million hanging mans and inverted hammers in 50 million normal candles, so it made up 4% of the candlesticks in the past 20 years

Let's say there are 260 trading days (52 weeks) in a year then in 20 year of 1 minute data, we got 1440*260*20= 7488000 data sample for 1 minutes chart in 20 years.... then divide that by 5 for 5 minutes chart data in 20 years, divide by 15 for 15 minute chart data in 20 years.......... You got the idea that the actual sample size is much more smaller than what he claimed. Even that the ratio of handing mans and inverted hammers candles compare to normal candle is so funny.....
  • #1,062
  • Jan 6, 2014 11:53am Jan 6, 2014 11:53am
Quoting 21vs7
This thread is going nowhere.
define nowhere and i have no time to quote the circle post that have second your nowhere
circle is not nowhere .circle is a line that if you sarted at begining you will be back to the same place so assuming that nowhere is or lie in it you can reach it by just following the line .
from this i took my assumptions that mediatores what make move direction as lines are the basic of any thing
now what is the line formula it is 1+1=2 so as long as you follow 1+1=in striaght axis you will have (1+1)/a


assuming that we have the degree of that access like earth axis and assuming that we live on earth bound by what we have learned from it so the axis angle of earth can have a rule of or effect in our above formula which will be (1+1)/(a+or - Eaxis)
when we have mediatores that are lined out quoting price from above to down we will have (1+1)/(a+or - Eaxis )-+1

we can see now that we three 111 which tells us the rule first rule that a line is about adding but we also have an angle which should be followed by our line that gives us 3(a+aor0 eaxis)
so a circle of earth now is 3 with undefined angle
measuring three mediators that gives different 3 we will give us a view of the angle by using simple rules like rules of circle but with earth we a differnt rule it is not cuircles so we will try to define or three points as a triangle and we will see that having triangles will gives points of a circle line can follow by putting four tiangles in a surface lying out
we will have a cirlce so now we now the idea it is three medicatiors 4 position entering the y and x axis rule which give us positive and negative valuse

we can reach this rule circle = +4 t -3t
i which 4 t in positive value with three of them in meagitve terrior will give us a circle

how we can see i is 4 positive triangles because this what gives as the circles
and how can we say it is three negative trianlges because this the rule of the mediator

combing the both rules will give us a circle line

now we have our cirlce we can tack each point of our c from the point of start and reaching the end studing effect once we complete a c we will have many circles that the price moves in because if the price is c in an angle that is not striaght it will creates angles that are suitable to make start and end point for mediactors that follow the three triangle rule which develop new cicles -

at the end studying all the circles and angles pricesliy will move you forward to decide which pointyou can begin your trade puting in mind the risk of how many circles that could appear or lets say mediators .no matter what the angle you take you will have the start anmd end and can predict it because it is a circle in which axis it takes .


so actually i gived a point nowhere is not defined and dont exit once you can have a complete view of the mediatiors you are going through or brokers you can predict where price will go and that what they call quantitive analysis
all have a nice day
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  • #1,063
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:00pm Jan 6, 2014 12:00pm
Quoting nubcake
{quote} But despite my suggestion at the very start, others will! They will benefit more from that 1 post of mine than anything you've said since joining the forum, and that is so very sad.

If there dumb enough to listen to second hand opinions from a Troll, which nobody actually likes anyway ( not saying you should be liked, don't come here to be liked personally SCORE LOL ), then why do I care.

After all your just following the bias of what TGM said about me, who doesn't even trade, your incapable of changing your opinion, which in my book makes you a fool, but that is all I have to work off, as I don't actually go around reading your posts to them troll.

Cause I'm not a troll unlike you sir!!

p.s. try getting a sense of humour!!
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  • #1,064
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:05pm Jan 6, 2014 12:05pm
GA's gone sideways, here is the chart.


I called the break at my arrow, and said go short on the next up move then expect lower low's, my entry would be near the 21sma envelope, notice it hit that and stalled perfectly ( not normally that nice ) at 1.8340 then headed lower.

Took +35 off that, for a SL of 15, keep shorting the tops near the yellow incase it gets a break down, but likely go sideways from here but best stick to shorts.


Was that not a prediction ?? Does that ( and the 1000's ) of examples I could show you ( 80% win rate ), not prove the market is not random ??
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  • #1,065
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:23pm Jan 6, 2014 12:23pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} But anyone here happy to trade on a 4% edge only based on the next candle ?? HELL NO!!
There are way better patterns than the inv hammer & hanging man duo, this was just an appetizer for pattern traders, you know

4% edge is not much and you have to look at the expectancy too, it being about 0.1 at the best, meaning that on every 1€ trader you get on average 0.1 eurocents, so its better than nothing.

I myself dont trade this, but since an edge is an edge, i guess it can be traded for profit, i`m curious if someone would try trading it on demo ?
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
  • #1,066
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:26pm Jan 6, 2014 12:26pm
Quoting Proximus
{quote} There are way better patterns than the inv hammer & hanging man duo, this was just an appetizer for pattern traders, you know 4% edge is not much and you have to look at the expectancy too, it being about 0.1 at the best, meaning that on every 1€ trader you get on average 0.1 eurocents, so its better than nothing. I myself dont trade this, but since an edge is an edge, i guess it can be traded for profit, i`m curious if someone would try trading it on demo ?

I'll stick to patterns, multiple bars make I think, rather than single bars, out performs that by a huge amount thankfully.
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  • #1,067
  • Edited 12:46pm Jan 6, 2014 12:31pm | Edited 12:46pm
Quoting eur.usd
@ Rap Skallion: Be careful, I don't think his stats is reliable at all. In fact I guest he just made it up to defend his ego. Take a look at his given sample size, it just doesn't add up to what he claimed. {quote} Let's say there are 260 trading days (52 weeks) in a year then in 20 year of 1 minute data, we got 1440*260*20= 7488000 data sample for 1 minutes chart in 20 years.... then divide that by 5 for 5 minutes chart data in 20 years, divide by 15 for 15 minute chart data in 20 years.......... You got the idea that the actual sample size is...


Why should i do such thing.I have 2 tick databases, which were compiled into M1 -> H1 candles, and the other was left in H1 to test the H1 timeframes more detailed.
Have you looked into my data? I dont think so. The 50 million candles were done at 18 different pairs , so the fact that there are 7 million sticks in 1 pair thats ok, but go check out my file, i tested almost every major pair and the 50 mil candles were the sum of that, precisely 54,631,628 in the interval from januray 1 1996 to october 1 2013 (it says january 1 2014 but that was only set to cover the entire database, when in truth these tests were done in october so i had no data after that back then)...

Before attacking me, you should have checked the file better...

And if you dont believe me, though luck, repeat the experiment and you will see for yourself !

Quoting Turveyd
{quote} I'll stick to patterns, multiple bars make I think, rather than single bars, out performs that by a huge amount thankfully.
Yup, i think you have a long journey ahead.It took me 2 months to analyse all patterns, but it was worth it
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
  • #1,068
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:40pm Jan 6, 2014 12:40pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} I'll stick to patterns, multiple bars make I think, rather than single bars, out performs that by a huge amount thankfully.

Agreed. many powerful patterns involving multiple bars give you a better sense of direction than a single one.

I have heard how dojis can indicate a change in direction of trend, so I went looking for dojis and found most of them do not change anything. Double bottoms can frequently give you information, as can double tops. The literature is full of such patterns.

Now, I have found that when a pattern is broken, that is it runs other than true to form, movement of price is frequently very large. I have heard of people who, when this happens to them, get out of a trade and immediately go the other way with profit.

Does this ring true with anyone?
  • #1,069
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:48pm Jan 6, 2014 12:48pm
Quoting Turveyd
Took +35 off that, for a SL of 15, keep shorting the tops near the yellow incase it gets a break down, but likely go sideways from here but best stick to shorts. Was that not a prediction ?? Does that ( and the 1000's ) of examples I could show you ( 80% win rate ), not prove the market is not random ?? {image}
You didn't take NOTHING on this hypothetical trade.

It too is all bullshit...and doesn't even meet with the criteria you have set for testing, not to mention, that by simply dragging and dropping your trade onto the chart, we could actually use this as evidence...but that won't happen, because your mythical trade didn't happen.

Funny how it has taken an M1 Master like yourself, 7 years to still have such a weak concept of market...and why it has taken you 2 weeks to find a single trade.

In this time, Turdy...

I have opened a thread, posted 4 pages worth of charts complete with my entries and exits. You have trolled this forum and this particular thread so hard that even Red gave up on it. There isn't a single nugget of value in anything you post and it is very plain to see...

As for this:
Quoting Turveyd
Magix turned into a Troll aswell, wouldn't surpise me if also a scammer after other peoples money!!
Bad form.

Dude, if I wanted to go commercial, I could.

I have over 100 members in a group that have paid to use the software I have written, trade specific. Instead of taking the cash, I have had them Donate to a charity of their choice. This is actually Documented, which might be hard for you to understand, because you can't seem to do the same.

See Thread HERE.

Every once in a while, I pop back in to see what's new here...same thing every time I arrive. More of your worthless bullshit. Turv...get a grip, Champ. Nobody gives a shit what you say and if we did, we'd visit one or more of your threads.

Why not at least try to keep on topic with your replies and save the rest of your spamming for another thread. You are close to doing to this thread, exactly what you have done to so many before...turn it into a barren wasteland.

As far as I am concerned, there is more worthless rant here now than will ever be worth information. I ain't got enough time nor patience to sift, I would imagine others will soon hit the same threshold.

If you want to continue talking shit...at least have something to back your shit up.

Otherwise, you will always be Nubby's little pouch boy and continue to make yourself out to be the fool.

And leave my name out of it.
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  • #1,070
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:52pm Jan 6, 2014 12:52pm
Who wants to see a reoccuring chart pattern that happens over and over on every timeframe? Find certain patterns that repeat and you can exploit them, even better when a few things line up like that 50% fib and whole number @ 1.36.
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  • #1,071
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:07pm Jan 6, 2014 1:07pm
GOSH, what happened in here. I guess it could of been expected or predicted.
I was going to suggest me sticking some live trades in to back up my expectancy of what I expect a pair would do after a trigger .
I suppose that is a form of prediction. Only thing- I haven't been able to get my old trading pc to run as it should (good excuse) but then again this is simple enough to do just by looking at a chart, catch you later, I am out dancing wayhay
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #1,072
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:24pm Jan 6, 2014 1:24pm
Quoting Proximus
{quote} Yup, i think you have a long journey ahead.It took me 2 months to analyse all patterns, but it was worth it

LOL you really think I'm some newbie and I haven't got all the patterns worked out and mapped out via my method LOL
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  • #1,073
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:30pm Jan 6, 2014 1:30pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} You didn't take NOTHING on this hypothetical trade. It too is all bullshit...and doesn't even meet with the criteria you have set for testing, not to mention, that by simply dragging and dropping your trade onto the chart, we could actually use this as evidence...but that won't happen, because your mythical trade didn't happen. Funny how it has taken an M1 Master like yourself, 7 years to still have such a weak concept of market...and why it has taken you 2 weeks to find a single trade. In this time, Turdy... I have opened a thread, posted...
1/2 sized lot, so $17 area, nothing as you say.

So you say it's a low blow, then you admit to having 100 paying customers, errrm TWEE commercial member here!! and SCORE 1 for me.

You don't understand my method, that's why you think it's worthless BS, your an idiot with no sense of humour who can't take a joke and goes off on 1.

Without a SL it's not a method, you have some vague chart subjective crap which works as well as flipping a coin then you hope it gets to profit, nothing more, 100% amateur hour.


And this is the bloke, that ran Mikkk01 off then proceeded to hype up your own method to attract new customers LOL

Sorry Mikkk01 I took the wrong side!!
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  • #1,074
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:33pm Jan 6, 2014 1:33pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} LOL you really think I'm some newbie and I haven't got all the patterns worked out and mapped out via my method LOL

That is exactly what I think.

There is no evidence to prove otherwise.

One last parting thought...

You are coming on 8 years HERE at FF and how many more for trading?

If you had committed the same time to anything, you wouldn't still be trading Micros, you could have been a doctor. Any professional field requires less time to become...and you are still dreaming.

Seriously turv...

At this pace, when you hit 50, you'll be even more angry, still broke and not one single step closer to having any idea of markets. Life is passing you by and your half assed approach to markets as has been to your otherwise pathetic life isn't getting you anywhere. There isn't a single thing that you can do well, is there? Worse yet, you can't even verbalize in a forum after 11,000 posts, with any real handle in your mother tongue.


Isn't it time you admit this to yourself, cash in your chips, have a nice dinner with the funds and never look back?
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  • #1,075
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:36pm Jan 6, 2014 1:36pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} LOL you really think I'm some newbie and I haven't got all the patterns worked out and mapped out via my method LOL

No idea, i dont know you that much , but anyway good luck.
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
  • #1,076
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:38pm Jan 6, 2014 1:38pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} That is exactly what I think. There is no evidence to prove otherwise. One last parting thought... You are coming on 8 years HERE at FF and how many more for trading? If you had committed the same time to anything, you wouldn't still be trading Micros, you could have been a doctor. Any professional field requires less time to become...and you are still dreaming. Seriously turv... At this pace, when you hit 50, you'll be even more angry, still broke and not one single step closer to having any idea of markets. Life is passing you by and your...

Look on my user info, HOBBY read it!!

Also profitable for 2months, can you say the same discluding commercial sales ?? hell no!! Most of my trades are posted Live in my journal by the way.

Who's angry or broke!

Isn't it time you quit being a scammer ??

p.s. Twee's been emailed about your commercial status! Bye Bye!!
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  • #1,077
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:39pm Jan 6, 2014 1:39pm
Quoting Proximus
{quote} No idea, i dont know you that much , but anyway good luck.

7 years of work, likely comes to 1year, 18months tops to be fair as I've took entire years of trading. depending on work pressures.
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  • #1,078
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:40pm Jan 6, 2014 1:40pm
Quoting Turveyd
. Who's angry or broke! Isn't it time you quit being a scammer ?? p.s. Twee's been emailed about your commercial status! Bye Bye!!
Learn to read:

Quoting Magix
Dude, if I wanted to go commercial, I could. I have over 100 members in a group that have paid to use the software I have written, trade specific. Instead of taking the cash, I have had them Donate to a charity of their choice. This is actually Documented, which might be hard for you to understand, because you can't seem to do the same.
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,079
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:43pm Jan 6, 2014 1:43pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So you have stats that 55% of the time a hanging man will produce a bearish move? Impressive. Do you have stats on how many candles relative to the time frame that you are trading that this move will last? Lastly, what is your sample size?
This guy shows that hammers/pinbar are usually a... continuation pattern! (just another lower low)
http://intelligenttradingtech.blogsp...k-pattern.html
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  • #1,080
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:45pm Jan 6, 2014 1:45pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Learn to read: {quote}

Donated to charity of there choice LOL isn't that what most scammers say ??



Find a method that lets you use SL's and get back to me!!
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