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  • #41
  • Jan 5, 2014 11:42am Jan 5, 2014 11:42am
Ok, before anyone else makes themselves look stupid, please peruse the old thread that EURUSDD started, which led to this great thread.

Working algorithm screenshot (among many in that thread) & a semi-good starting point on the other thread:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7001452#post7001452

Please do a little due diligence before you come and post any ill-educated, un-informed, "this won't work" posts.

Oh, and don't pee on this thread...

Carl
  • #42
  • Jan 5, 2014 1:04pm Jan 5, 2014 1:04pm
In the spirit of pattern recognition and for the heck of it...

I have coded a base Fractal EA and am using a single indicator to qualify entries...

Though I do realize that the pattern of the Fractal is only 1 of the many that will be produced and isn't going to be applied the same way, I couldn't help wondering how a standard recognized pattern could be treated under market definition of overbought and oversold as applied to a single time frame.

I am going to be working off of the M1 and this will be grid traded based on a minimum distance set between trades and qualified through the criteria of OBOS as interoperated by Stochastics and Triggered by the TOPs n Bottoms of the Fractals.

In a base way, it is effectively using Stochastics to Create the ZigZag pattern and using the Fractals as a trigger.

Much as Crod thinks that a comment on a thread is leaving a few drops of urine, I think that these few drops are what actually can help the flowers grow.

Thanks for putting my mind in motion Davit and GG!

Looking at the same stuff all the time, can be a little boring. New ideas for the New Year...THIS is AWESOME!

Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #43
  • Jan 5, 2014 2:09pm Jan 5, 2014 2:09pm
Quoting Magix
Much as Crod thinks that a comment on a thread is leaving a few drops of urine, I think that these few drops are what actually can help the flowers grow.
Magix, my post was not directed at you, by any measure. Sorry, its a pet-peeve of mine when people post un-informed and illogical rantings about something they have no clue about. Especially when we've been churning through this fractal theory for months now.

If you don't believe it works... LEAVE!
There are those of us that are implementing this with STUNNING results.
This is a NO-PEE zone.

Magix, peeing on the dirt does not make any flowers grow, when you don't believe you are peeing on the seeds below the dirt.

Carl
  • #44
  • Jan 5, 2014 2:20pm Jan 5, 2014 2:20pm
Quoting crodzilla
{quote} Magix, my post was not directed at you, by any measure. Sorry, its a pet-peeve of mine when people post un-informed and illogical rantings about something they have no clue about. Especially when we've been churning through this fractal theory for months now. If you don't believe it works... LEAVE! There are those of us that are implementing this with STUNNING results. This is a NO-PEE zone. Magix, peeing on the dirt does not make any flowers grow, when you don't believe you are peeing on the seeds below the dirt. Carl

Sorry to point this out, and definitely not for the sake of confrontation, but more on side with observation.

1. This is a peeing zone. Check the thread title. GG not only knows that this will happens, he went so far as to forecast it in the thread title.
2. Because somebody doesn't agree with your idea or methodology, just means that they don't agree...not that they are un-informed.
3. Though I am not doubting your previous performance or past efforts...This is seemingly a NEW fractal theory, thus the NEW thread...I could be mistaken on this one...but seems logical for assumption.

Lastly.

Even those that don't particularly agree or come to the same conclusions on theory, and offer up something by way of a negative comment, doesn't make it necessarily a bad thing. Every piece of information that is posted is like every candle in market. Because of the nature of both public forums and the market, discarding any information or tick as irrelevant isn't actually completely analysing the data effectively, it is cherry picking.

Your convictions are based on your ability to prove the merits of your claims. Davit has challenged these claims and with every word you speak, you are continuing to justify the reasoning for your logic and efforts.

How can this possibly be viewed as a bad thing?

Really, if GG and others weren't so open minded, would you have gotten to this point?

Anyways...Keep on, keeping on. I wasn't offended by your comment, nor was I trying to pick a fight.
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #45
  • Jan 5, 2014 2:40pm Jan 5, 2014 2:40pm
GG,
Have you gotten any interesting results with determining if height is useful or important for determining the end of the zigzag?
  • #46
  • Jan 5, 2014 4:12pm Jan 5, 2014 4:12pm
Quoting Magix
1. This is a peeing zone. Check the thread title. GG not only knows that this will happens, he went so far as to forecast it in the thread title.
Just a little friendly advice for you before rushing into decisions about the p-zones...

Read carefully what G actually said, let me quote this for you:
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…and what about the “Pissing Dog”? – well, dogs have the tendency to piss on every tree and post that is on their way. Not because they have to or want to contribute something…

Quite a message, isn't it? Lets cut the unnecessary and keep the focus.

C.
  • #47
  • Jan 5, 2014 4:15pm Jan 5, 2014 4:15pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Sorry to point this out, and definitely not for the sake of confrontation, but more on side with observation. 1. This is a peeing zone. Check the thread title. GG not only knows that this will happens, he went so far as to forecast it in the thread title. 2. Because somebody doesn't agree with your idea or methodology, just means that they don't agree...not that they are un-informed.
Well, I would quote just how un-informed he was, but his posts are gone.
I love other points of view. But only if they are points that are based upon the ideas presented, and to the goals established.
GG53 is trying to explain the construction of his algorithm. So, the comments made were a waste of everybody's time.

I won't speak any more about it.

Carl
  • #48
  • Jan 6, 2014 3:56am Jan 6, 2014 3:56am
No worries there..with this kind of puff and smartaSSes, one gets stronger. But, seems people are questining the method, cus they just dont understand it.. I dont intend to join cus frankly have other stuff to do, plus Im short with the knowledge about this, but I support this group. You all just keep on collecting..
  • #49
  • Jan 6, 2014 4:05am Jan 6, 2014 4:05am
I respect all opinions, but let's focus on the system and in the post gg53. Some people went a long time with this type of math. It's fun and I have faith in the system. Gg53 is making a great effort and the thread should not interfere with subjective opinions. It's simple, anyone not agree with the results ..... not follow the thread.
Please let gg53 continue its explanations.
  • #50
  • Jan 6, 2014 4:47am Jan 6, 2014 4:47am
Quoting burnssss
I respect all opinions, but let's focus on the system and in the post gg53. Some people went a long time with this type of math. It's fun and I have faith in the system. Gg53 is making a great effort and the thread should not interfere with subjective opinions. It's simple, anyone not agree with the results ..... not follow the thread. Please let gg53 continue its explanations.

Yes I totally agree with you. Let GG to continue his explanation.
regards
  • #51
  • Jan 6, 2014 9:51am Jan 6, 2014 9:51am
I also agree. For those who do not want, do not believe or do not like just leave. This type of negative feedback is common to people who have nothing to do, ignorant people or people-serving and without character. Because smart and busy people do not waste time writing comments on what not believe.They are busy doing or creating something they believe. Just let the losers as I waste time on things without interest.
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  • #52
  • Jan 6, 2014 10:56am Jan 6, 2014 10:56am
This happens over and over: someone has some knowledge which is willing to share with no self interests, and people start doubting and challenging even before the he has time to finish exposing anything. They may know nothing, but is so easy to just throw words on no basis and with no purpose.

gg53 please continue, whenever you are ready
  • #53
  • Jan 6, 2014 11:14am Jan 6, 2014 11:14am
A few people are sincerely trying to work some stuff out. A few are sincerely trying to rain on the parade. NaySayaers are saying "WTF, You have nothing". Well guys. if you think there is no merit in the thread. Stop reading it.
  • #54
  • Jan 6, 2014 11:14am Jan 6, 2014 11:14am
!!Subscribed!!
K.I.S.S.
  • #55
  • Jan 6, 2014 12:00pm Jan 6, 2014 12:00pm
Coming soon:
1. Detailed description on how to calculate probabilities from our data (Fractals, Total ZZ length & "Next Bar" from SET2, SET3).
2. Detailed description and tools for interaction between MT4 and an external databse.
3. Examples of prediction done in real-time and their later-on outcome.

While waiting for that to be finished, here is current status:
A. Initial Parameter numbers obtained by running simulations on MATLAB.
B. Coding is done mostly in C#, MQL. Currently it's an MT4 indicator (ForexGT_Arrow) calling a DLL with logic functions and database interactions.
C. The algo/method is working with good results on M5, M15, H1 - without any changes in code.
It seems that for H4 and higher TF's we need more historical data. Still need to test how much more.
D. The algo/method is working with good results on all Major Currency pairs (limited testing) on all a/m TF's.
Several other currency pairs where also tested with roughly same good results on same TF's.

This is not a "one man show" - a lot of talented people are working on this for month's now - and as we speak.
I don't want to forget to mention anyone of them - so let me compile a list, and I sure hope that they will continue contributing here.
Thanks, buddies!

G.
  • #56
  • Edited 1:19pm Jan 6, 2014 12:58pm | Edited 1:19pm
GG, I almost never read the FF forums; too much limited thinking by the masses in my view.

But one of my students alerted me to your new thread. He knows we carry Fractals and the Zigzag on our charts and for good reasons. And I respect his wisdom as a student, and his profits as a trader. We are Counter Trend traders. Some of my mob are subscribed to your thread to see how your maths and method develops.

Fractals and Zigzag are supplemental to our primary trading system we use today. But I am not shy to say that I made my first few million dollars from trading the patterns of Fractals, and from the extending nature of the Zigzag. In fact I love the Zigzag because it repaints.

I made my first few millions from watching the new leg appear, allowing it to retrace to then trade with the reasonable expectation that the new leg would extend further during the busy sessions. During the Asian session on quiet days, I would trade against the new leg of the Zigzag. With that in mind, you may wish to consider the time of day as an important consideration for your data-sets. That is, there are times of the day to trade against the Zigzag's new leg, and times to trade the Zigzag for a further extension of its length.

That said, I am aggressive with lot sizing, and I use hedging rather than stop losses.

Don't let the bastards get you down GG. There's a bunch of us watching quietly on the sidelines to see where your thread develops.

You are wisely using maths and statistical probability to design a trading system. Back in the day, I was mostly flying by the seat of my pants with what worked for me as very successful trading tools.

Fractal patterns are a reality. Zigzag extensions are extremely profitable during busy sessions.

Quoting gg53
Coming soon: 1. Detailed description on how to calculate probabilities from our data (Fractals, Total ZZ length & "Next Bar" from SET2, SET3). 2. Detailed description and tools for interaction between MT4 and an external databse. 3. Examples of prediction done in real-time and their later-on outcome. While waiting for that to be finished, here is current status: A. Initial Parameter numbers obtained by running simulations on MATLAB. B. Coding is done mostly in C#, MQL. Currently it's an MT4 indicator (ForexGT_Arrow) calling a DLL with logic functions...
  • #57
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:02pm Jan 6, 2014 1:02pm
Quoting smallcat
{quote} {quote} i check it again, and find that some times the end of ZZ is not the same as fractals. I still use the "Custom Zigzag" by Killian. Edit: For alone using of ZZ, this is good. But for using with GG's idea (together with fractals), i think it must be changed a little, like Killian changed the ZZ indicator to "Custom ZZ". Thanks -smallcat {image}
Hi smallcat,

I did try your indicators and other stuff to generate the raw data.
In the .csv file the last 4 columns are bar, fractal, leg index and leg direction.
Can it be that the leg value should be inverted. When the leg goes up, the last column should be one's.
For instance the last leg of 2012 goes up and in the .csv file the last column I see all zero's

Best regards
It is not important how often you fall down, but how often you get up again
  • #58
  • Jan 6, 2014 1:30pm Jan 6, 2014 1:30pm
Quoting dancingphil
GG, I almost never read the FF forums; too much limited thinking by the masses in my view. But one of my students alerted me to your new thread. He knows we carry Fractals and the Zigzag on our charts and for good reasons. And I respect his wisdom as a student, and his profits as a trader. We are Counter Trend traders. Some of my mob are subscribed to your thread to see how your maths and method develops. Fractals and Zigzag are supplemental to our primary trading system we use today. But I am not shy to say that I made my first few million dollars...
dancingphil,

Thanks for your kind words and encourgement.
Take a look at the "Killing Zone" thread for breakouts at certain times of day (and some other thingies).
Thanks again.

G.
  • #59
  • Edited 3:55pm Jan 6, 2014 3:33pm | Edited 3:55pm
Updated file on post #1 - bug fixes on:
Doji calculations.
Current zigzag up/down was wrong.

Added feature: ZZ Leg end price


Thanks, smallcat!

G.
  • #60
  • Jan 6, 2014 3:54pm Jan 6, 2014 3:54pm
Thank you very much and smallcat gg53 such corrections
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