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  • #21
  • Dec 15, 2013 6:01pm Dec 15, 2013 6:01pm
more rubbish trying to use excessive risk to avoid the fact that the risk model of your trading has to work...

It might just work? yeah and you might just win the lottery
tradewith60
  • #22
  • Dec 15, 2013 6:45pm Dec 15, 2013 6:45pm
  •  Owl
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: FX Siphoner Of Symphonies | 435 Posts
Quoting 60minuteman
more rubbish trying to use excessive risk to avoid the fact that the risk model of your trading has to work... It might just work? yeah and you might just win the lottery

Yeah...? And more backmasking speeches and songs of terrible music from those

who just don't believe in it and as usual and normal the meagerly accommodated

rocks await you arrival sir to thrust a swift and gracefully fallen foot upon it and

afterwards you may also meet your dismissal...

Another one kicks the dust means it's fun to smoke marijuana...don't believe me

google it and then tell me who been lying to you and all of us our whole entire life....

Just keep it moving baby because only your type believe you and in you.....
One Must Use A Noble Rapier To Pierce The Veil Of Mystery
  • #23
  • Dec 15, 2013 6:57pm Dec 15, 2013 6:57pm
@Owl

Really? Is that supposed to be some credible words of knowledge or something? "...and normal the meagerly accommodated

rocks await you arrival sir to thrust..."

I've tried pasting all and just parts of that post into google translate, but I just can't get one to to work and come out with something that makes sense. {sigh} I guess I'll just have to keep trying.
  • #24
  • Dec 16, 2013 5:21am Dec 16, 2013 5:21am
Quoting Nefser
@Owl Really? Is that supposed to be some credible words of knowledge or something? "...and normal the meagerly accommodated rocks await you arrival sir to thrust..." I've tried pasting all and just parts of that post into google translate, but I just can't get one to to work and come out with something that makes sense. {sigh} I guess I'll just have to keep trying.
ask them for a risk model built on their actual results Nefser then you will understand why they resort to just writing bull.

If you keep wiping out small accounts and starting again then eventually you have lost a big count, how they cant see that i don't know.

This thread has nothing to do with money management, its a n all in gamble idea.
tradewith60
  • #25
  • Dec 16, 2013 8:27am Dec 16, 2013 8:27am
  •  Owl
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: FX Siphoner Of Symphonies | 435 Posts
Quoting 60minuteman
{quote} ask them for a risk model built on their actual results Nefser then you will understand why they resort to just writing bull. If you keep wiping out small accounts and starting again then eventually you have lost a big count, how they cant see that i don't know. This thread has nothing to do with money management, its a n all in gamble idea.

Says the militant who's discipline comes from pure conservatism

I see everything but why you keep sticking your neck in place it

don't belong because it's clear these type of ideas are not for you

and your type and all you trying to do is win others over to your side

of thinking to become copycat clones,catalogs and chattel....let these

people have their own brain and mind to make up about an idea before

coming around trying to force your own as if it's a fact knowing full

well it ain't nothing but your opinion....And you may be dismissed again

from these sort of concepts...whether MM or not you don't bring your

low risk investing self around here no more,copy?
One Must Use A Noble Rapier To Pierce The Veil Of Mystery
  • #26
  • Dec 16, 2013 9:23am Dec 16, 2013 9:23am
Quoting Owl
{quote} Says the militant who's discipline comes from pure conservatism I see everything but why you keep sticking your neck in place it don't belong because it's clear these type of ideas are not for you and your type and all you trying to do is win others over to your side of thinking to become copycat clones,catalogs and chattel....let these people have their own brain and mind to make up about an idea before coming around trying to force your own as if it's a fact knowing full well it ain't nothing but your opinion....And you may be dismissed...
this is an open forum, your neck has no more right to be here than mine.

I have not forced any of my thoughts or opinions here I have just stated that its a mathematical fact that if your risk model is not considered sooner or later you will blow your account, unless youre very lucky and have a win streak.

If the facts offend you Owl it is your issue and its not for you to decide what others should be able to read.

Good luck with your trading, but I think the idea here is highly risky and unlikely to produce any winners.
tradewith60
  • #27
  • Dec 16, 2013 1:23pm Dec 16, 2013 1:23pm
why not?

with R:R of 1:1 and knowing TA he/she has an edge. Instead of "beating" the market looking for big winners he/she instead is letting it run with a few winners in a row.

the only other way to make money with small account is to scale in, pyradiming.
  • #28
  • Dec 16, 2013 1:50pm Dec 16, 2013 1:50pm
Taking your time scaling in as you slowly pyramid turns a small account into a large account. That's OK TOO.... I just don't want newcomers to get discouraged reading what you posted thinking they have to take big risk. Keep in mind I'm not disagreeing with the OP's gambling strategy as stated in my post a few up.

Quoting Vitez
the only other way to make money with small account is to scale in, pyradiming.
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  • #29
  • Edited 2:45pm Dec 16, 2013 2:23pm | Edited 2:45pm
  •  Owl
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: FX Siphoner Of Symphonies | 435 Posts
Quoting 60minuteman
{quote} this is an open forum, your neck has no more right to be here than mine. . If the facts offend you Owl .
I respect that 60.....I hear you... but just know that your strictly conservative

approach has been shouted trillions of times throughout the millennial and them

facts you hold so dear to only apply strictly to you and your type of mindset...

Only newbies will think to trade this way all the time..this is always only a bonus

type account and approach to run alongside your fragging get rich slow 0.1 lot

account ok? So stop making it seem out be not worth an attempt to do like it's

impossible to pull off because the reward heavily out weighs the risk...in fact

this is only for the type who has the skill, will, and balls to pull of which i can

see the last 2 traits especially the 3rd trait you're severely lacking in, sir

Like the funny vortexed and ironic thing about you 60 is that you have the

skill to pull this off as evidence of your stable strategies that I can vouch for...

but you just don't have the willpower and the balls to even attempt to do it....
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  • #30
  • Dec 16, 2013 2:42pm Dec 16, 2013 2:42pm
  •  Owl
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: FX Siphoner Of Symphonies | 435 Posts
The flinstones have no right mingling with the jetsons keep your

neanderthal risk approach type out of the mix and concepts of future

innovators who know how to extract the high leverage and compounding

factors and powers that the wonderful world of the forex market has to offer..

If you can't build upon the blocks being set and laid down because you only

want to try to take away instead of help build then don't be surprised while

you're taking a brick out the structure and the whole thing collapses in on you capiche?



P.S This is a fair question 60...Do you think high leverage is provided by brokers in the FX market

solely to take people's hard earned money? If your thought process is yes then you belong

with the same fragging congressmen of the usa government who took away the right of and from

the people, to use it..... And I'll have you know that there are some that have all three traits

to pull this stuff off like clockwork and once again especially the last 3rd trait...have a good

day sir...the door once again is that way and please you don't have to return with anymore

caveman thinking thanks signing out truly yours, Owl.................
One Must Use A Noble Rapier To Pierce The Veil Of Mystery
  • #31
  • Dec 16, 2013 3:23pm Dec 16, 2013 3:23pm
Owl I don't know why high leverage is provided, I guess so brokers can make money, brokers want to make money and they can be good at it, they understand risk and would not operate a model that guarantees bankruptcy, only idiots would do that.

Can you explain how you worked out the risk for your strategy so anyone learning to trade can get something from this brilliant advice your giving away so generously????

The fact that someone has achieved this Owl does not make it good advice, thats pure moron thinking nevermind caveman
tradewith60
  • #32
  • Edited 6:00pm Dec 16, 2013 3:59pm | Edited 6:00pm
  •  Owl
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: FX Siphoner Of Symphonies | 435 Posts
Quoting 60minuteman
Owl I don't know why high leverage is provided, I guess so brokers can make money, that's pure moron thinking never mind caveman
I appreciate your input and I rest my case there's just no help for some...this is not financial

advice specifically,all it is, is a suggestion for a bonus type risk module that only experts

should deploy it's not aimed towards newbies to suck the blood of and drain the account

Like a 60 yr old 25k a year 40 hour work week nine to fiver for 25 years screaming scam

at a 25 yr old retired in 5 years or less off a 4 hour work week millionaire network mlm

marketer this will never work between us two for we are polar opposites and that

is all...you can't see this view and we can't see your view....there's nothing more

nothing less to discuss here my friend....only you can decide when you want to cross

over it's like they said can't teach an old dog new tricks unless the body is in shape

and the mind is great and versatile enough to be open up to new tricks of the trade...

Just remember this...Here is something I know you can agree to..Nothing in life is guaranteed to

us besides tax and death right? so the saying goes..... So if you trade whether off a flip

of a coin or through time tested calculated analysis all this is just a gamble right? some will say....

So the point is while you are getting rich slow with the caveman 0.01 lot account

if your skill warrants and will allow you too well then why don't you just give yourself

a well deserved bonus raise in the form of a nice lump sum?once again this is not about skill

but the will to do it and the balls to attempt to pull it off...case closed point proven..

bye bye have good day sire 60 when you decide to step into the 21st century then you

will be accepted and embraced by the many others who await your progress towards this

and these new developments in the name of the evolution of man....yours truly, Owl................
One Must Use A Noble Rapier To Pierce The Veil Of Mystery
  • #33
  • Dec 16, 2013 11:25pm Dec 16, 2013 11:25pm
Quoting Owl
{quote} I appreciate your input and I rest my case there's just no help for some...this is not financial advice specifically,all it is, is a suggestion for a bonus type risk module that only experts should deploy it's not aimed towards newbies to suck the blood of and drain the account Like a 60 yr old 25k a year 40 hour work week nine to fiver for 25 years screaming scam at a 25 yr old retired in 5 years or less off a 4 hour work week millionaire network mlm marketer this will never work between us two for we are polar opposites and that is all...you...
For a bird you're not tooo bad Owl, but fk you come out w/ some sh*t.
Howlin' at the Moon on the Roof
  • #34
  • Dec 17, 2013 12:05am Dec 17, 2013 12:05am
Quoting claudia1
{quote} Is this a serious post as I am dying laughing here. All you talk about is winners. Um what if you get 10 losers and keep doubling up? Go get a career change please before you lose all your money. Before you start I trade for a living and also play roulette which I make money on every week - must just be lucky eh guys? Made my Sunday funniest thread on the site.

WOAH!! You make money when the house has a 2.7% edge for European Roulette and a whopping 5.26% for American? Are you a living computer calculating the acceleration, velocity, rotational inertia or do you just get lucky? If so, you should play the lottery!
  • #35
  • Dec 17, 2013 12:14am Dec 17, 2013 12:14am
Quoting claudia1
Made my Sunday funniest thread on the site.
yep now there's 2 of them... Eyes on the prize, ignoring the demise.. The lazy generation has entered the building, next they will be building apps for their phones that trade for them.. Ah well
Howlin' at the Moon on the Roof
  • #36
  • Dec 17, 2013 1:00am Dec 17, 2013 1:00am
That exchange between owl and 60 was the prefect example of the youth vs the aged. I say, let the youth have their fun! Time tells all.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #37
  • Dec 17, 2013 5:15am Dec 17, 2013 5:15am
the interesting point is none of the believers here can answer the simple obvious question...

why is it better to risk all than to work out maximum risk?

if your current results say you will never blow your account when risking 10% per trade, then risk 10% per trade. compound your profits and reach your goal.

There can be only 1 upside of what is proposed here and that is the slim possibility you will make it rich quicker, the downsides are obvious to any seasoned traders (sucessful or otherwise)

p.s what is the obsession with my age? FFS im 40... ish
tradewith60
  • #38
  • Dec 17, 2013 7:51am Dec 17, 2013 7:51am
Quoting Owl
So if you trade whether off a flip of a coin or through time tested calculated analysis all this is just a gamble right?
Right. So how are you going with this challenge Owl? I'll probably give it a bash next year ..... for a laugh.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #39
  • Dec 17, 2013 7:58am Dec 17, 2013 7:58am
Quoting 60minuteman
the interesting point is none of the believers here can answer the simple obvious question... why is it better to risk all than to work out maximum risk? if your current results say you will never blow your account when risking 10% per trade, then risk 10% per trade. compound your profits and reach your goal. There can be only 1 upside of what is proposed here and that is the slim possibility you will make it rich quicker, the downsides are obvious to any seasoned traders (sucessful or otherwise) p.s what is the obsession with my age? FFS im 40......
despite liking the thread I agree here. I'll start with 5% and when I double the account 10% from that on...risking 5% of mine and 5% of brokers cash...
  • #40
  • Dec 17, 2013 9:15am Dec 17, 2013 9:15am
Quoting Vitez
{quote} despite liking the thread I agree here. I'll start with 5% and when I double the account 10% from that on...risking 5% of mine and 5% of brokers cash...
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...00#post7161500 100% on broker account and growing lol.
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