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  • Edited 8:23am Nov 29, 2013 7:50am | Edited 8:23am
  •  Vantage
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7,195 Posts
As I said 3 - 7 day reversal patterns that close the other side of the 8lwma.

See 8 Nov. There is an identified support level 1.4128 at the Oct lows and you don't know in advance if it will hold or fail in Nov. There is a massive doji (caused by news but that doesn't matter) and the following day a positive close for a 4 day reversal. Now if your view is from 11 Nov you are looking to buy then you go to your 1hr charts (if that's your entry TF) and look for solid trades.

Price pushes up to the 1.4480 area that is also a SR level going back to July, Aug. Again you don't know what will happen there but its a 250 pip run after the D signalled buy focus.

A little trickier is the D close on 19 Nov that you'd be expecting to sell for a fall back to 1.41.

Lets have a look at 1hr. Here you'd have to have a look at your indicators that you intend to use. But what you can see on 19th is that US session did not follow through London opens move lower. If this is a downtrend why not?

On 20th 1hr Asian session took euraud up. Make no mistake if Asian session wants to move this pair big time they will. So again why not lower? Perhaps these are very difficult questions to answer and hind sight from a chart is perfect. Price moves up to 1.4424 and gives a sell signal with an evening star pattern. That's a trade as D suggests down and you have moved lower from a resistance level. On my charts if I were to sell there I'd be cautious as I am above my purple and brown lwma's that tell me I am above the equivalent of my 4hr and D 8lwma's. Not the stuff that down trends are made of. You need to look at your indi's and see if they would have given you a warning that this trade might not have worked.

Then with the 20th closing positive the focus is back to buys on 21st. Then you are hoping that your method will minimise losses on 20th and as trend now back up give you bigger trades from 21st when its back to buying.

Hope it helps.
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  • Nov 29, 2013 8:11am Nov 29, 2013 8:11am
  •  Vantage
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7,195 Posts
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I hope you can explain me more how see D trend. How do you think if I reduce indikator like this chart below Thanks very much. {image}
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Its simpler than it seems.

Question 1 - Have you got a 3 - 7 day reversal pattern yes or no?
Question 2 - Has that 3 - 7 day pattern resulted in a cross and close the other side of the 8lwma yes or no?
Question 3 - Has the D chart given a higher low, lower high, double top or double bottom?

The odds are when you get these there will be some follow through. But not always, nothings guaranteed. Like euraud D on 19 Nov it didn't follow through lower, same on euraud 13 June. Your wins should far exceed your losses following the D trend then moving down to 1hr for entry.

Also have a look at your D chart for trend moves and CT days where there is either no 3 - 7 day reversal pattern and you have no cross of the 8lwma.

Theres loads of examples but most recently euraud 25 Nov was a classic and on 26th we had buys back into trend from 1hr. The 25th was a great shooting star and of course could have gone lower on 26th but we weren't at an identified resistance level, had no 3 - 7 day reversal and couldn't cross D 8lwma lower. None of our trend definitions were there to sell.

But as I said originally have a look at D charts, look for candles/patterns that start big moves, look for SR levels and how price reacts to them. Euraud on 24 July 2013 strong move up into a resistance level, falls for 2 days but they are small candles that cannot close below 8lwma. What happens on 29 July a D higher low positive close.

It'll take time for this kind of assessment to click, but once it does you'll be glad I think.
 
 
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  • Nov 29, 2013 8:18am Nov 29, 2013 8:18am
  •  Vantage
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Now you could say hindsight is perfect, well heres some posts from a few hours back. EURAUD is now at 1.4933 so this would have been a losing trade. See http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...79#post7123679 and http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...17#post7123717 for what was a system buy trade based on indi's and price action but saved a loss because of some basic higher TF analysis.
 
 
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  • Edited Nov 30, 2013 1:43am Nov 29, 2013 8:28am | Edited Nov 30, 2013 1:43am
  •  Vantage
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7,195 Posts
Its your thread and your journey and you asked for some help and I don't want to hi-jack it further. You might have guessed I am not one of those that trade from 1 TF's charts only. I advocate MTF analysis using D and 1hr at a minimum. So do your D analysis then look at 1hr for trades that fall in line with your D view.

Good luck.
 
 
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  • Nov 29, 2013 8:35am Nov 29, 2013 8:35am
  •  hesron
  • Joined Dec 2012 | Status: Member | 2,994 Posts
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so BEAUTIFUL chart Sir, Thanks good explained.
All my analysis is based on Wyckoff Methods
 
 
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  • Nov 29, 2013 11:31am Nov 29, 2013 11:31am
  •  hesron
  • Joined Dec 2012 | Status: Member | 2,994 Posts
Thanks for all help me in this thread, I am very happy now as I think I had found what I need for this trading system. Specially to you Sir , Vantage , Thank You Very Much.
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  • Nov 30, 2013 1:23am Nov 30, 2013 1:23am
  •  Vantage
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7,195 Posts
Quoting hesron
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Thanks for all help me in this thread, I am very happy now as I think I had found what I need for this trading system. Specially to you Sir , Vantage , Thank You Very Much. {image} {image} {file}
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A pleasure to have been of help.

Now your real work begins. The days when you have the 3 - 7 day reversals to cross the D 8lwma and price carries on in trend are easy. But there will be days when this does not happen. Now you need to study your system in those times on 1hr when things don't quite follow through as expected when you get some D chop before the trend continues. On euraud look at 16 Aug should have gone higher didn't, 17 Aug didn't fall, 2nd Oct didn't fall. I'm sure you get the message.

If you method can take full advantage of trend and avoid too much damage in some chop then you have your edge.
 
 
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  • Nov 30, 2013 2:06am Nov 30, 2013 2:06am
  •  Vantage
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7,195 Posts
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Thanks for all help me in this thread, I am very happy now as I think I had found what I need for this trading system. Specially to you Sir , Vantage , Thank You Very Much. {image} {image} {file}
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Sorry forgot to say, on your charts - 20th D chart positive close so your bias from 21st is to buy as you have shown. Now you need to get clear in your head what your buy definitions are on 1hr. Don't be afraid to test out lots of things until you decide on something. Include time of day as this pair can go very nicely in Asian session, price action (some kind of retrace and engulfing close i.e. a 1 2 3 higher low, lower high type pattern) or tdi cross (some trade successfully I find often gives you signal a candle too late on 1hr especially for pairs like euraud that trends strongly you can get in earlier) and get to know your pair. I'd say focus on aud and euraud.

Read lots on FF you never know what you'll pick up. That does NOT mean flipping over from system to system. It means getting knowledge that you can apply. J16 for some candles, threads that focus on SR levels, Sonic for ideas on trend etc etc etc.
 
 
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  • Nov 30, 2013 2:12am Nov 30, 2013 2:12am
  •  Vantage
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Thanks for all help me in this thread, I am very happy now as I think I had found what I need for this trading system. Specially to you Sir , Vantage , Thank You Very Much. {image} {image} {file}
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On your moving averages on D. I don't know how you intend to use them but you need to understand the difference between what they will do in trend and what they will do turning at a proven SR level. It may take longer for your ma's to cross when bouncing from SR which may make you miss fantastic set ups.

OK that's it for now good luck.
 
 
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  • Edited Dec 2, 2013 12:40am Dec 1, 2013 8:40pm | Edited Dec 2, 2013 12:40am
  •  hesron
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Thanks Sir, Vantage , in the TF 1 H my trading system , I have a late signal sometimes. So I add ruwet indicator as charts above. I have make little modif for indicator Market Panel Display White (GMT+2/+3) so this indikator showed session for 20 days.

This trading system only 20% make me a succes trader as Mr. Vantage said. 80% depend of me, how my psikology trading can applied to live trading. now I still learn make my psikology trading going better. Thank you .

Please advised me

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  • Dec 2, 2013 2:06am Dec 2, 2013 2:06am
  •  Vantage
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{image} {image} {image} Thanks Sir, Vantage , in the TF 1 H my trading system , I have a late signal sometimes. So I add ruwet indicator as charts above. I have make little modif for indicator Market Panel Display White (GMT+2/+3) so this indikator showed session for 20 days. This trading system only 20% make me a succes trader as Mr. Vantage said. 80% depend of me, how my psikology trading can applied to live trading. now I still learn make my psikology trading going better. Thank you . Please advised me {file} {image} {file} {file} {file} {file}...
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What's making your signals late, can't be price action? If its not price action giving you a late signal then its an indi. So ditch most of the the indi's other than your basic trend definition. Then start looking at your charts the perfect successful trades, what do they have in common? Believe me those set ups repeat often. What is tdi cross really giving you? OK you say I have rsi on my charts and tdi is the same just a different setting. OK but I don't wait on a cross for entry. Please note that as trend is TF dependent you can have a D trend definition and then a 1hr trend definition and you are looking for your 1hr trend definition to obviously be in line with the D.

Whats a ruwet???

Your yellow line, an ma or two perhaps this ruwet thing whatever it is on 1hr should be enough when you understand what you are looking for in pa. Pullbacks in trend, engulfing closes etc etc.

The trading psychology comes from having a system with an edge that you have tested to your satisfaction that you know it works. Typically 20 days uptrend, 20 days downtrend and 20 days sideways market. Paying particular to how your system holds up in the 20 days sideways market and the days going CT in a trending market.

I don't think you have yet fully grasped the fewer indi's model. Just a little more to go.
 
 
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  • Dec 3, 2013 10:57pm Dec 3, 2013 10:57pm
  •  oatmeal
  • | Joined Feb 2009 | Status: Junior Member | 1 Post
Quoting Vantage
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Whats a ruwet???
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"Ruwet" is Indonesian Language, means crowded. This indicator was famous enough in Indonesian trader.

My appreciation for Hesron. Salam hangat, bro.
 
 
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  • Dec 4, 2013 1:54am Dec 4, 2013 1:54am
  •  hesron
  • Joined Dec 2012 | Status: Member | 2,994 Posts
Sorry Sir, Vantage, if so very late reply your post. I am very confused thinking about how to make a good trading system for me. I strongly agree with you that the PA is king to give a signal in forex trading. Because I know the price movements shown by indicators rather than indicators show the price movement. I tried hard to follow what you say to me in the adoption of this trading system. I admit that my knowledge of price movements are still very weak. What do you think if I show chart below.

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I use HMA_Russian Color to follow the trend.

For give PA signal I use PA indicator.

Please advised me.
All my analysis is based on Wyckoff Methods
 
 
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  • Dec 4, 2013 1:58am Dec 4, 2013 1:58am
  •  hesron
  • Joined Dec 2012 | Status: Member | 2,994 Posts
For oatmeal,

Terimakasih atas dukungannya bro, saya masih nubie, saya lagi bingung system trading apa yang baik yang baik buat saya.

Thanks Brother.
All my analysis is based on Wyckoff Methods
 
 
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  • Dec 4, 2013 2:11am Dec 4, 2013 2:11am
  •  Oakwoodinc
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For oatmeal, Terimakasih atas dukungannya bro, saya masih nubie, saya lagi bingung system trading apa yang baik yang baik buat saya. Thanks Brother.
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Please do yourself a favour and first remove all indicators :-)

They are totally useless because they only show what price does.

You can define trend simply by HH and HL.

:-)
 
 
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  • Dec 4, 2013 9:12am Dec 4, 2013 9:12am
  •  Vantage
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{quote} Please do yourself a favour and first remove all indicators :-) They are totally useless because they only show what price does. You can define trend simply by HH and HL. :-)
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Exactly, there's 2 constants in trading trend (as described in quote) and support/resistance. When trend reaches SR you never know which will win out.

Hesron you seem to be looking for the grail that will somehow capture every move. If you get it right you'll be the first. Ditch everything off your D chart but the ma. That will guide you on where you can expect short term trend to be.

Then ditch everything from 1hr (except perhaps a ma or two). Look for trend trades on 1hr that are in line with D view. Taking CT trades only where you see previous proven SR levels off a higher TF chart.

If you want to get a little friskier then repeat process on 4hr for trend definition and 15 min for entry.

Putting up more charts with slightly modified forms of indi's won't change this. Stop with your focus on indi's on your chart and look at the flow of price waves up and down in trend. Until it hits a SR level and then you see how it reacts.

Go to a site like babypips.com and read up about trend and SR.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2013 12:04am Dec 5, 2013 12:04am
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Thanks Sir, Vantage

You want to teach me very well. Thank you very much. Sometimes I think you've been like a father to teach his son.

I had remove bar indikator from my chart. As You said, follow trend using ma in D chart, I use ma candle in D chart with using your setting 8 lwma.

I still reading : http://forums.babypips.com/newbie-is...trading-7.html


Please advised me.
All my analysis is based on Wyckoff Methods
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2013 12:32am Dec 5, 2013 12:32am
  •  Puritan
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You seem to be going through what I first did when I started. I tried every indicator I could, but in the end I just work with a ema cross. It has taken me a number of years to sort through all of the data. In the end you have to go with what works for you and it takes time. Time to learn a system and most important time to learn proper money management. Given the rapid way the fx market moves having plenty in reserve means you can survive a loss and come back to trade again. Don't give up just keep working at it.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2013 1:30am Dec 5, 2013 1:30am
  •  Vantage
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{image} {image} {image} Thanks Sir, Vantage You want to teach me very well. Thank you very much. Sometimes I think you've been like a father to teach his son. I had remove bar indikator from my chart. As You said, follow trend using ma in D chart, I use ma candle in D chart with using your setting 8 lwma. I still reading : http://forums.babypips.com/newbie-is...trading-7.html Please advised me.
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On the 1hr chart you show one trade. On a pair like euraud that trends really well what happens if you miss that trade? You can't have a method that only gives you 1 crack at a 400 pip move. So where else would you look to buy?
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2013 2:25am Dec 5, 2013 2:25am
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Thank you for fast reply to this thread, Vantage. I try make setup to buy like that charts. If i am wrong ,

Please advised me.
All my analysis is based on Wyckoff Methods
 
 
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