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  • #41
  • Nov 22, 2013 5:45am Nov 22, 2013 5:45am
Quoting Jackub
{quote} HI! Nobody answered my question, maybe it is silly question, So, divergency is all about to be out of sync... , please??
My guess is that he means "out of sync" to be divergence. Basically it looks like he was trying to create a copy of price with the stoch that he uses below. Whenever they are not moving together in the same direction or together in unison they could be "out of sync".
  • #42
  • Nov 22, 2013 5:52am Nov 22, 2013 5:52am
Quoting mksmith31
{quote} My guess is that he means "out of sync" to be divergence. Basically it looks like he was trying to create a copy of price with the stoch that he uses below. Whenever they are not moving together in the same direction or together in unison they could be "out of sync".
Thank you for help,
JacekPreserve Precious Capital
  • #43
  • Nov 22, 2013 8:57am Nov 22, 2013 8:57am
I am guessing this is what EURUSDD means by out of sync. Hopefully he can shed some light!
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  • #44
  • Nov 23, 2013 11:07am Nov 23, 2013 11:07am
Quoting Jackub
{quote} Thank you for help,
EURUSDD did not actually say DIVERGENCE but generally when PRICE and INDICATOR conflict in terms od HH LH HL & LL this is referred to as DIVERGENCE.
For me this is just an aid to help me flow with what the man is trying to put accross
See samples
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  • #45
  • Edited 1:42am Nov 24, 2013 12:14am | Edited 1:42am
Quoting Intrepidpips
{quote} EURUSDD did not actually say DIVERGENCE but generally when PRICE and INDICATOR conflict in terms od HH LH HL & LL this is referred to as DIVERGENCE. For me this is just an aid to help me flow with what the man is trying to put accross See samples {image} {image}
Well I am still not convinced, why EURUSDD do not call this divergence, but "out of sync"? Must be a reason for this. We can see STOCH on level of total overbought/oversold level , what it has common with his alerts of price level.... do the math etc... look for critical level of 100, 50, 0..... feel lost
I feel stupid, reading his posts again and again, waiting for another "sign"...

One is for sure , EURUSDD wants to see STOCH first in level of 100 or 0 and price still going up or down, then wants to have it bounced of OB/OS, still before any trade is taken...
Then he founds levels showing support or resistance like earlier showed 1.35184 or 1.34714 and coresponding level on STOCH close to 50

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""Notice that the shapes of the price and stoch curves are similar. Both are still in sync and stoch is approaching a critical value. Take note of the gap!!! If they fall out of sync in that area, price will most likely shoot up, creating a new top!!!""

but this not happened this time..... ??

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  • #46
  • Edited 2:21am Nov 24, 2013 2:10am | Edited 2:21am
And secound example.... is this a GAP EURUSDD was talking about??

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first doger blue vertical line shows moment of STOCH 50 BO, and same moment we observe S/R level or as he called this critical level..
then price is comming back to STOCH 50 and even higher but price never reached critical level and fall out rapidly.. makes me wonder if this is an idea??
Need more examples, will dig in charts...
JacekPreserve Precious Capital
  • #47
  • Nov 25, 2013 10:25am Nov 25, 2013 10:25am
Well the concept of "out of sync" or divergence is pretty solid. I have been waiting for the Stochastic to hit 0 or 100, wait for a retracement, and price shoots to a new high or low with the stochastic coming back to 0 or 100. See the example below. This is a demo but it looks promising.
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  • #48
  • Nov 25, 2013 4:21pm Nov 25, 2013 4:21pm
Hello: The value you choose for STOCH at any given time will give a curve whose shape is exactly the same as the 1EMA in the main chart. As time goes on there will be a moment when the curves do not look the same anymore.
"Look the same" means exactly what it means - look the same in shape, slope etc....
When the two curves are not similar, it means there must be another value of STOCH that will give a curve similar to the 1EMA, currently. search for that value and discard the current one ... Continue this process and you will be right there with price. There are ways to do this successfully.

To get perfection, it is advisable to make the stoch-window and the price-window equal in height.
You must ONLY study a stoch-curve that is currently perfectly-in-sync with the 1EMA!!!!!
THE 1EMA and the current stoch-curve will start to look different as soon as there is a strong underlying force AND stoch is very close to one of the extreme values.
  • #49
  • Nov 25, 2013 4:30pm Nov 25, 2013 4:30pm
Quoting Jackub
And secound example.... is this a GAP EURUSDD was talking about?? {image} first doger blue vertical line shows moment of STOCH 50 BO, and same moment we observe S/R level or as he called this critical level.. then price is comming back to STOCH 50 and even higher but price never reached critical level and fall out rapidly.. makes me wonder if this is an idea?? Need more examples, will dig in charts...
This chart is not very good.
  • #50
  • Nov 25, 2013 6:42pm Nov 25, 2013 6:42pm
Quoting Eurusdd
Hello: The value you choose for STOCH at any given time will give a curve whose shape is exactly the same as the 1EMA in the main chart. As time goes on there will be a moment when the curves do not look the same anymore. "Look the same" means exactly what it means - look the same in shape, slope etc.... When the two curves are not similar, it means there must be another value of STOCH that will give a curve similar to the 1EMA, currently. search for that value and discard the current one ... Continue this process and you will be right there with...
Hi EURUSDD, is there a method you suggest in finding the value to match the curve, or do you randomly choose values until you find the correct one?

Thanks!
  • #51
  • Nov 25, 2013 8:15pm Nov 25, 2013 8:15pm
Quoting mksmith31
{quote} Hi EURUSDD, is there a method you suggest in finding the value to match the curve, or do you randomly choose values until you find the correct one? Thanks!
For the ordinary trader, I am sorry he/she will have to search for the right value manually. Furthermore, it may advisable to use the bar-chart in the background and let the 1EMA be in the foreground.
  • #52
  • Nov 25, 2013 8:56pm Nov 25, 2013 8:56pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} For the ordinary trader, I am sorry he/she will have to search for the right value manually. Furthermore, it may advisable to use the bar-chart in the background and let the 1EMA be in the foreground.
Eurusdd can you go spend some time VISIT " The Ultimate Truth " thread? we really need a lot of confirmation , clarification and HELP.....from u !

Hopefully will see you soon !
  • #53
  • Nov 26, 2013 12:41am Nov 26, 2013 12:41am
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} For the ordinary trader, I am sorry he/she will have to search for the right value manually.
Am I right in assuming that the extraordinary trader (with powerful hardware of course ) can create another data-monster based on this?
Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward.
  • #54
  • Nov 26, 2013 12:51am Nov 26, 2013 12:51am
EURUSDD, if I create a reference system for each case stoch-EMA1 could detect these "dis-similarities." But i dont understand in your chart signals

Many thanks
  • #55
  • Nov 26, 2013 4:23am Nov 26, 2013 4:23am
Quoting mksmith31
{quote} Hi EURUSDD, is there a method you suggest in finding the value to match the curve, or do you randomly choose values until you find the correct one? Thanks!
Try this

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7095924#post7095924
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  • #56
  • Nov 27, 2013 4:31am Nov 27, 2013 4:31am
Quoting Eurusdd
Hello: The value you choose for STOCH at any given time will give a curve whose shape is exactly the same as the 1EMA in the main chart. As time goes on there will be a moment when the curves do not look the same anymore. "Look the same" means exactly what it means - look the same in shape, slope etc.... When the two curves are not similar, it means there must be another value of STOCH that will give a curve similar to the 1EMA, currently. search for that value and discard the current one ... Continue this process and you will be right there with...
This is as near to the "HOLY GRAIL" as you can get.
Paul Tudor Jones says he's made most of his money from calling Tops and Bottoms.
I think we can do so too in our "small fish" way.
Going thru EURUSDD's other thread -"The Similarity System", I have come to adopt/adapt this template.
The thread is worth every minute of study.
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  • #57
  • Nov 27, 2013 8:07am Nov 27, 2013 8:07am
Hi EURUSDD, since I am renko fan so applied your strategy on 3-pip renko chart, can you confirm if I correctly marked valid Sell zones?

Thank you in advance.
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  • #58
  • Nov 27, 2013 9:50am Nov 27, 2013 9:50am
Quoting Intrepidpips
{quote} This is as near to the "HOLY GRAIL" as you can get. Paul Tudor Jones says he's made most of his money from calling Tops and Bottoms. I think we can do so too in our "small fish" way. Going thru EURUSDD's other thread -"The Similarity System", I have come to adopt/adapt this template. The thread is worth every minute of study. {image} {image} {file}

LOOKING GOOD
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  • #59
  • Nov 28, 2013 12:48am Nov 28, 2013 12:48am
LIVE TRADE

I saw an opportunity it was not perfect but I just could not wait and report it after some others would have enjoyed the pips.
Saw GBPUSD 1EMA and Stoch out of synch and seeing a major resistance had been broken and the average daily range had not yet been breached, it was a great opportunity to buy once price fails to fall below the 1.63000 resistance confirming as support.
Made my entry SL 12 pips, TP 25 pips BE @ 10 pips and Voila!
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  • #60
  • Nov 28, 2013 12:50am Nov 28, 2013 12:50am
Quoting Intrepidpips
LIVE TRADE I saw an opportunity it was not perfect but I just could not wait and report it after some others would have enjoyed the pips. Saw GBPUSD 1EMA and Stoch out of synch and seeing a major resistance had been broken and the average daily range had not yet been breached, it was a great opportunity to buy once price fails to fall below the 1.63000 resistance confirming as support. Made my entry SL 12 pips, TP 25 pips BE @ 10 pips and Voila! {image}
I took notice of these set-ups which led to my eagerness and confidence to take the trade.
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