Supply and demand in a nutshell by Alfonso Moreno

Thanks for your kind words Huk! I appreciate them! My honour!
I will be here to answer any questions. People judge others without knowing the real reasons why something has been started.

Have a great night!
Alfonso

Hopefully all the messages posted by people angry with themselves will end up soon and the free nature of this thread will come back to life, because this is the true nature and it was the true reason why it was started, believe it or not.

Many things have happened since I started it 5 months ago, I've even rejected a potential important offer that would have changed my life, maybe for much better, but it would have cut my wings and prevent me from doing what I like the most. I am an independent mind and I feel passion for what I do.

Again, you can believe me or you can't. Can I change that? Do I want to change that? NO, by no means. No matter how good or how evil you are, there will always be people that love you and others that hate you, even if you are a "saint". If Jesus Christ was beamed up and showed up in front of us, he'd be killed a second, a third and a 10th time. It's human nature.

We can't change that, so we have to live with that. Those who appreciate the efforts will understand, those who never started such a project and put that much effort, will never understand. I can't ask anybody to understand if they haven't gone through all this, the same way you can't ask me to understand your situation.

Let's focus on SD trading which is the subject of this thread, not how good or bad me or others are. I am very happy with my life and what I do for others, as well as my results. If you are not happy about yours, try to improve them following the rules on this thread OR any of the other hundreds of threads available at FF or other free sites and services out there. But please respect others and myself. Those who have no respect will be ignored and will no longer be able to contribute on this thread.

I've already ignored a few members for disrespect to others, myself and the rules clearly stated in the first post. It's up to you to decide, in fact I have nothing against anybody, but it looks like many have a lot against me.

Your success will not depend on how much info you can read or digest, trading is a lonely occupation. However, having others around you thinking and trading alike will help a lot

Alfonso

To all the naysayers: I look at this as an example of Higher Education. In the USA (maybe around the world) Public Elementary and High School Education is free for those who want it. College however is not free. There is tuition you must pay to take courses in Higher Education.

Think of it in those terms. Everything you need to know is on FFF. For the past 5 months. That is your FREE elementary and high school education. If you want to take further, advanced courses. Well just like the education system, you will need to pay the tuition.

Lou

Commercial user? Interesting...

There is nothing new on Wall Street or in stock speculation. What has happened in the past will happen again, and again, and again. This is because human nature does not change, and it is human emotion, solidly build into human nature, that always gets in the way of human intelligence. Of this I am sure.

~Jesse Livermore

Alfonso,

Thanks for all the time you've spent & very in-depth explanations of your methods. I've seen no site that so thoroughly describes how you see the markets & how best to trade them. The method is very good it's only the trader that will make it fail.

You can never please everyone so don't listen to the complaints. Some people you could hand them a million dollars & they'd complain about the wrinkles in the $100 bills.

Good luck with your new venture!

I agree with Alfonso 100% - "Let's focus on SD trading which is the subject of this thread, not how good or bad me or others are.". There are also many other great S/D traders on this thread in addition to Alfonso that provide great thoughts and information.

The best of luck with your new site Alfonso.

Hi, just thought I will share my two cents worth regarding some of my personal opinions. First of all, I must mention that I'm a member of the private group.

1. From the start of this thread, Alfonso has very generously and unreservedly shared his knowledge and very useful indicator. Those who have been following from the start knows that he does make effort to answer every question, not with some vague short answer but with charts containing detailed and succinct analysis. Many have benefited greatly from that, and I attribute much of my current profitability to his teachings and correction. Some might feel the past few months were just a "baiting" period to gain popularity for this thread, and if I were to approach this objectively, ya perhaps it is a possibility. However, I personally have conversed with Alfonso a few times over email, and can attest to his generosity, willingness to help, as well as the challenges he faced with this thread. So if he was just baiting, he must be one of the greatest actor and liar I know.

1. Results wise, if anyone believes that Alfonso isn't even a profitable trader to begin with, he probably hasn't read this thread from the start. Part of the reason why this thread and his system is so popular is because Alfonso posts potential setups and trades he take before the outcome is out. Each setup and trade can be explained with consistent rules. This is unlike most of the threads where guru traders only post after the fact winning trades without analysis. So yes there are transparent winners and losers, and anyone can clearly see that this is definitely a system with great profitability/expectancy.

1. I have put myself in Alfonso's shoes and also understand that this FF thread has grown beyond his ability to support. Too many repeated questions by people who hasn't bothered to watch the videos and understand the rules, too many people posting setups that are not relevant to the original system, too many critics and people who come and go. A private group was inevitable.

1. Regarding the material on this thread, it is already complete as of now. Yes rules might change or be added in the future, but Alfonso is not one of those schemers who reveals 30% of the system on a free thread and withholds the remaining 70% for the private subscribers. Everything is already on the first page, it is up to us to really study, believe, and practice it.

1. Regarding the quality of the private group, I can say it is very cordial, conducive, useful, and active. Alfonso describes his setups clearly, and does makes effort to critique every single post and question. There is weekly video analysis to prepare us for the week. If anyone were to do the math, the amount of time taken to annotate charts, answer every question, and record videos is not trivial. It does eat a lot into trading and leisure time, and that is why I have no qualms with the man being paid for his precious time and efforts. Even if (and I know it is not) it is a business, I do not see any problem with someone providing a honest and helpful service for the trading community.

1. All being said, at the end of the day, there will always be critics and cynics. Perhaps they have been cheated too many times, perhaps they have not experienced the overwhelming amount of time required to maintain a 400k+ view count thread, but I do believe that disagreement does not have to lead to disrespect. Being able to disagree without disrespecting is a mark of maturity, and this applies not just here but in every aspect of life.

Hopefully that will provide a different perspective, wish everyone a great weekend and profitable week ahead!

Let me tell you exactly what's going on here. Remember James16? Long thread, cordial, friendly, and ultimately never provides any evidence whatsoever of profitability while all the time sucking users into his "private forum" for a super cheap $500 a month or whatever it was he charged. I saw this coming a month ago and I'd been talking to some friends about how shady Alfonso was in similarity to the strategy employed - finally the other shoe drops and he reveals his real intention when demanding pay for his "subscription based" forum. You're a fraud just like James16 and Jacko and I hope Sam Seiden and OTA sue you for undeniably profiting from their proprietary content.

Don't be a chump by backing this guy up with nice words and anecdotal evidence - look at the hard facts instead. Are you consistently profitable doing what he tells you? Has he ever proven to you that he is? He can't prove anything to you and he never will even though he demands your hard earned cash for his private forum. This isn't my first rodeo here at the Factory and I'm sure it won't be the last...eventually you start to see through shams like this. No number of shills and dummy account testimonies (like the one above) can account for such a lack of critical information. It's all propaganda designed to soften you up and make you feel like you're going to be taken care of until you fill your greedy fantasy of getting rich easily.

Lastly a big kudos to Twee and the moderation team here at FF for another job well done.

Such a typical excuse. If you're profitable from your trade, you don't need to charge the little man for the few twenties in his wallet. And you certainly don't want to make it easy for others to eat away at your own profit margin by training them to copy your profitable trading strategy. No excuse can truly rationalize this money grab action, especially considering the underlying copyright infringement it's based on. I'll give Alfonso props for being patient before executing the last stage of his plan here, but I'm definitely going to join others here in calling him out on his bullshit.

Ding ding ding, bingo. Someone here has some brains! I see you've been around a while too and you've probably seen this ploy before as well. The next step is for all the dissidents to be banned from posting their criticism so the shills can add positive reviews to the thread freely.

Edit: Blocked as expected while Alfonso purges the critics - No commercial member wants people to expose their fraud to others. You can blab about respect and honor all you want Alfonso but the truth is all you're doing is creating a distraction to deflect the truth that you have no evidence of your own profitability while trying to charge for your so called "expertise". You say we critics have no honor when you carefully created your deceptive manipulation to suck the ignorant into your business while pretending this would always be free. Your operation here is a classic bait and switch con and any observant person saw this coming. It should be a requirement for those who want to teach to prove that they can walk the walk before they start charging for "higher education". Newbies beware - big time fraud. There are better people out there who do this style of trading but won't charge you a cent. Have a look at Ifmyante's or Kenneth Lee's threads here at the factory or have a look at some of the free material posted on FXStreet that you'll never have to pay a penny for. It's all better than Alfonso's junk anyway. Never pay for trading "education", you don't have to. Those of us who've been around for a while have seen this con operation more than once before, please listen to us when we tell you you're better off saving your hard earned money.

You are what you think! Talk to others like you talk to yourself

I just wanted to thank those that understand my decision and also those who do not understand it. I don't care what they think really, like someone said before in the thread": "being able to disagree without disrespecting is a mark of maturity, and this applies not just here but in every aspect of life".

I will come back in a few days if I see that the thread goes back to its origin, that is, people posting their setups, asking questions about the strategy, etc, if and when the storm goes past.

In the meantime, those who disrespect me and other members will be ignored from this thread. People like Kanzler (not only disrespecting me but others like James16 and other traders I don't know, he won't know them either I guess), Stt, Adriann, have been ignored on this forum as I did with others in the past. I made a favour to them, I think they won't really care because they claim they can get all this information from other sources for free, so they must be profitable and writting from their laptops at some exotic resort. If that is so, they shouldn't even bother reading my thread or sad for being ignored for disrespect, now they have more spare time to enjoy their full time trading career traveling around the world living off their profits.

Respect is above everything, if I respect you, you respect me and others. Even if I were to disrespect you (which has never been the case), a honorable person should NEVER disrespect me. That only means the ignored members of this thread are not honorable. Criticism is welcome but insults to me or any other members are not, insults are the easiest and most mediocre way of critisizing others, it needs no thinking.

Like I said, I will take a few days pause on the thread, if after some days I see that the thread has resumed its original purpose and members start asking their questions and charts, I will be able to help, else you can keep all of your negativity because neither you (the one that insults) nor others want it on our lives.

Have a great weekend! Enjoy your time, family and friends. Take it easy, you are gonna make it, but be patient and respect others on your journey! Be humble!
Alfonso

HI, I would like to reply and say something as I feel compelled. I too, appreciate when people provide services to others for free as obviously I'd rather pay less or nothing and get something. But this is simply an illusion most of us have in life (and not willing to admit), that we can get something for nothing. It goes against the laws of nature (Google this). After studying so much psychology and metaphysics, I can tell you now that any kind of negativity is done out of fear and desperation. No offense, but this is a personal problem. The outside is a reflection of the inside as Charles Haanel's great book explains in so many ways.
There is always an inner battle happening inside of you whether you want to believe this or not, thoughts will come to you and you will entertain them accordingly considering your chosen beliefs and perceptions. If you choose to entertain a thought and an emotion that upsets you or makes you angry, technically you are in pain, yes? And this pain that you have, you justify because it's a strategy you've taught yourself when you have identified yourself with something you don't want. The only problem is all of this is happening on the inside - unbeknownst to most of us.
We choose which thoughts and emotions we entertain and if we choose the ones that upsets us and we blame someone else because they said or did something we believe ought not be done or said, we believe anger and frustration is the solution. Why choose to be in pain by your own free will, justify it, and blame someone else for your choice to do it? I've have just told you what roughly 98% of the population in the world today do day in and day out.
My whole purpose in stating this is not to get people to agree necessarily with Alfonso, but respect someone for providing as much as they can and then making an honest choice to provide service for a fee in order to not dedicate all of his life/time to a thread. Can you blame him really? And if you don't agree with him no matter what, can you really say that you are on your way toward your goal when you are here bashing him? How does bashing someone help you get towards you goal? Remember everything is energy, including our thoughts, energy cannot be created nor destroyed so every thought is moving you towards your goal or away from it.
I wish you all well, I really do, but remember that everything that happens gets filtered through your belief system, your reality literally exists entirely in your imagination. This isn't a good or bad thing, just is. If others in the past used FF as a ploy to start a commercial trading business and it was a rip off or perhaps it was "shady", doesn't mean everyone who goes from member to commercial had that intent, or that it's bad that it did happen. We remember by association, it's easy and comfortable not to actually think outside the box (I myself fall victim to this at times). Remember you can't be a victim and happy at the same time, conditions just are, your reaction is a choice. Take responsibility for it. I loved when I heard - cause it was true for me - humans are so addicted to certainty that we'd rather be certain and miserable instead of risk it and be happy.

Thank you for reading, this was meant to help anyone willing to see my message that looking on the inside and observing yourself is key to conquering yourself which is the ultimate victory.

Regards,

Victor

Hi Alfonso,

Please ignore the naysayers, you will find them everywhere you go. Ying & Yang.

I have been extremely lucky to have caught this thread at the very start and have been totally amazed at the content, the explanations & trading rules that you have formulated, and that must clearly have taken you a very long time to gather together, from all the freely available resources out on the net. This effort alone is priceless.

If you had stopped there, it would have been enough, but you went further than that, producing some great webinars & tutorials that allowed clarification of your ideas, allowing us to use your free indicators, spreadsheets etc. and yet you still can find time to run another main business & still find yet more time to go to the beach... I am staggered.

It has been mentioned before, free education should not be taken for granted, further education is offered, and it is up to each individual to decide whether value is offered or not. I think we are all mature enough to make that decision for ourselves.

Please carry on posting at FF.

I wouldn't talk about any scam or anticipated baiting, but think about it... it's more of an aftereffect.

You start an online journal to discipline yourself, record your trading, share your ideas and hopefully become consistent. You have done your homework, know a thing or two and are committed to making it so, you really are passion driven, and it shows in all your posts. The fans and newbies start to pile up because you really seem to know your stuff in this harsh misinformation-based environment, then the things becomes overwelming to manage, your trading suffers from it too and you still can't see the money as you would expect. Damn, all that time and effort and there's no f* significant progress in your equity curve. Well, you're now a popular guy with many followers who need some sort of mentoring. Guess what... trading is HARD and unpredictable, so why not take the education route, afterall you're already half way in it anyway!

Basically, either you're a top trader and go enjoy life after closing your trading platform and have no need for recognition, keep low profile and the money in your bank, or you're just making ends meat and become an "educator", i.e. write books, give seminars, sell video courses online, private forums, etc... Just look at the tons of material around the Internet, so many gurus, just pick yours. BTW, maybe its just "to give something back" to the community, right ? It's an industry in itself.

All options are legit, I'm not critizing anyone, but hell, people is very caution about everthing in their daily life but when it comes to learning how to trade naivity seems to set in and newbies just refuse to let go of their too big of expections and beliefs.

In this business, you can get so much help... so start working hard and don't expect anyone to do it for you... there's no "degree" in trading, you must be your own enterpreneur. Don't go following and paying for all and everthing that has "forex course" written in it like its going to save your life, for the most part, these might know their stuff but just aren't able to make money applying it anyway. I personally save all my cash to build my account, and if there are FEES that I have to pay, these are directly from my mistakes in the markets. That's how one learns if you ask me.

Just my 2 cents.

Good luck to all.

Can we please move back to the purpose of this forum...Time to move on and get over it. Decisions have been made and they are not going to change because people are upset over what others do. Get back to the rules of this forum, respect fellow traders and discuss/learn the supply and demand trading style.

Couldn't of said it any better.

Im a member of the private group too. All I can say to those who don't agree with what Alfonso has done, please leave this thread out of respect for those traders who wish to continue with this thread regardless of what's been said. There is no reason for Alfonso to continue this way, but he does. Please respect this thread or leave. And yes you should be kicked from this thread if you don't respect the rules. I will say no more. Make your own minds up but I can promise you one thing, this will not affect our trading group or our success in trading.
I wish you all the success you deserve.

Note for Alfonso (and I think I can speak on behalf of all in the private group & those on this thread who respect you) We all support you 100%. We see your efforts & appreciate all you have done & are continuing to do. We all have an understanding that some others do not. Dont let this bother you. Rise above & plough forward. Keep up the good work.