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  • Jun 27, 2006 3:20am Jun 27, 2006 3:20am
  •  The Wizard of Oz
  • | Joined Jan 2006 | Status: Ghot Angrez gu`ak | 143 Posts
Since firebird give a lot of good trades why not just eliminate the pipstep altogether. At least that should get rid of the "adding to losers" flaw. This seems to be the main weakness.

Just an oppinion.

Wiz.
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2006 4:43am Jun 27, 2006 4:43am
  •  smjones
  • Joined Mar 2006 | Status: THANK YOU MERLIN,TWEE and FF Team | 4,603 Posts
TWOO,

This is not a bad idea. If you set pip step to 0, you would suffer a loss of the maximum stoploss setting, but then the trade would resume at the new level. Unless the move was greater than the maximum stoploss and if so, it would trade again and loose a second maximum stop loss, and so on and so on, for the total length of the trend move. If you could make it not trade again until the system was reset this would prevent that.


Quoting The Wizard of Oz
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Since firebird give a lot of good trades why not just eliminate the pipstep altogether. At least that should get rid of the "adding to losers" flaw. This seems to be the main weakness.

Just an oppinion.

Wiz.
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  • Jun 27, 2006 5:51am Jun 27, 2006 5:51am
  •  wackena
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 366 Posts
We know that Firebird can have several losing trades in a spike or long trending up and down market. I think we may be able to minimize these loses. To Safe Guard our initial investment and future profits, here are a few ideas.

extern int OpenOrdersPerPair=2; // limit number of open orders
extern int MinAccountBalance = 4900;// stop trading below this level

if( MyOrdersTotal()>=OpenOrdersPerPair || AccountBalance() < MinAccountBalance) return(0); else

The OpenOrdersPerPair variable is used to stop trading when a preset number of orders are already open.

The MinAccountBalance variable is used to stop trading if the AccountBalance falls below preset level. This variable will need to be manually adjusted as needed to protect profits or if trading does stop due to AccountBalance falling below the preset MinAccountBalance.

In either case, your existing open orders can still be in jeopardy.

Wackena
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2006 6:40am Jun 27, 2006 6:40am
  •  Zazzy
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 97 Posts
I join the thread a little bit too late but anyway here is my opinion:


Basically we set some support/resistance levels and try to buy/sell exactly there, 30 pips away and next 30 pips away. (for extern int OpenOrdersPerPair=2;) We consider this as a complete system. But in fact there are 3 different systems! One says buy at support, another says buy 30 pips below support and the third says buy 60 pips below support.

Has anyone tried to test the effectivness of them separately? This is important, because if the first earns 30% monthly, the second earns 20% monthly and the third earns 10% monthly, then it is better to trade using ONLY the first one.

Let us say we got 3000$ and we invest 50% of the funds.

If we trade using only one 30% system then investing 50%*3000$=1500$ after a month we become 450$ return.

If we trade usng all three system then every one of them gets 1/3 of our 3000$. That is 1000$. We invest 50% so 500$. So the first earns 500$*30%=150$ the second earns 500$*20%=100$ and the third earns 500%*10%=50$. Together we earn 150+100+50= only 300$

It is obviously more comfortable to see that MOST of trades end up with a positive result, but the end result really matters.

So.... has anyone tried to calculate it independently?
time is money! Z
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2006 7:18am Jun 27, 2006 7:18am
  •  BenQ
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 1,050 Posts
Wiz, I think that's a near brilliant suggestion. I'm still waiting to see the results from those who have added volatility filters in, but I can say the versions I'm running with higher pipsteps are doing quite well in the short term. Now you have me serously thinking about running another version without the pipstep. Very interesting suggestion, thanks.

Quoting The Wizard of Oz
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Since firebird give a lot of good trades why not just eliminate the pipstep altogether. At least that should get rid of the "adding to losers" flaw. This seems to be the main weakness.

Just an oppinion.

Wiz.
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  • Jun 27, 2006 12:51pm Jun 27, 2006 12:51pm
  •  tradeigel
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Trader and Programmer | 393 Posts
After I followed this thread a few weeks I wonder if there is a EA with all the new suggestions and with a vol. filter. Is there anybody developing one because I don't want to start one and a few days later there is one posted .
So please reply if there is one in development
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2006 5:14pm Jun 27, 2006 5:14pm
  •  Yardie
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 786 Posts
Well so far I am about 15 wins and one loss since Sunday. But the market has been mostly ranging. I think this EA can be a winner if its design to take advantage of spikes and drops.
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2006 10:33pm Jun 27, 2006 10:33pm
  •  mono
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Quoting Yardie
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Well so far I am about 15 wins and one loss since Sunday. But the market has been mostly ranging. I think this EA can be a winner if its design to take advantage of spikes and drops.
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I agree, this is a ranging EA. We require a trending EA and a News Trading /Spiking EA.

Anyway below is my testing update.

All testing is done on 6 pairs and run 24hrs.

Mono
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File Type: zip Results Test1.zip   5 KB | 211 downloads
File Type: zip Results Test2.zip   4 KB | 182 downloads
Mono
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 3:53am Jun 28, 2006 3:53am
  •  cgldsmth
  • | Joined Dec 2005 | Status: It's only money | 1,412 Posts
OK stupid question coming up: I need to leave the computer on all day for this EA right?
TRADE FOR SWAP
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 3:59am Jun 28, 2006 3:59am
  •  smjones
  • Joined Mar 2006 | Status: THANK YOU MERLIN,TWEE and FF Team | 4,603 Posts
Yes, as with all EAs the instruction set stays with the computer, the orders and the pending orders are at the host. So as new orders are placed, they are generated from the EA at the client computer. It must remain on and the EA tab at the top must remain Green.

Quoting cgldsmth
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OK stupid question coming up: I need to leave the computer on all day for this EA right?
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  • Jun 28, 2006 6:02am Jun 28, 2006 6:02am
  •  Hendrick
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 407 Posts
This is a new version of Firebird (Firebirdv63H) with 9 new settings:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

SafeArea<o></o>

<o></o>

This setting is based on the idea that Firebird is doing well in a flat market, but could go wrong when the market gets volatile. The indicator (Firebirdv63H_IND) gives you an idea how this function works (you don’t need to attach this indicator to your charts for Firebirdv63H to work). The indicator is quit simple: it takes the values of the built-in indicators “ Bulls Power” and “ Bears Power” and adds them together. When these powers are in balance it’s safe to trade. When Bulls or Bears get the upper hand their sum crosses a certain level (until now I think levels of 40 and -40 works well) and Firebird isn’t allowed to place trades.<o></o>

<o></o>

TradeFrom1 <o></o>

TradeUntil1 <o></o>

TradeFrom2<o></o>

TradeUntil2<o></o>

TradeFrom3<o></o>

TradeUntil3<o></o>

TradeFrom4<o></o>

TradeUntil4<o></o>

<o></o>

I’ve dropped EDEA because it is easier to incorporate the same idea in Firebird itself. You have now the ability to set four times a day that Firebird is allowed to place trades. These are local times and not the server times. If you want Firebird to trade from 8:00 AM until 11:00 PM use the following settings:<o></o>

<o></o>

TradeFrom1=8 <o></o>

TradeUntil1=23<o></o>

<o></o>

Use a “<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:metricconverter ProductID="0”" w:st="on">0”</st1:metricconverter> for the rest of the settings. <o></o>

<o></o>

Indicator:<o></o>

You can use several settings within the indicator:<o></o>

<o></o>

PC = Price Constants<o></o>

<o></o>

1 = Open price<o></o>

2 = High price<o></o>

3 = Low price.<o></o>

4 = Median price, (high+low)/2.<o></o>

5 =Typical price, (high+low+close)/3<o></o>

6 = Weighted close price, (high+low+close+close)/4.<o></o>

<o></o>

TF=TimeFrame<o></o>

<o></o>

<o></o>
Attached Files
File Type: mq4 Firebird v63H.mq4   22 KB | 294 downloads
File Type: mq4 Firebirdv63H_IND.mq4   2 KB | 299 downloads
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 7:01am Jun 28, 2006 7:01am
  •  smjones
  • Joined Mar 2006 | Status: THANK YOU MERLIN,TWEE and FF Team | 4,603 Posts
Hendick, thanks very much for this... Scott
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 7:04am Jun 28, 2006 7:04am
  •  Hendrick
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 407 Posts
Made a small miscalculation with the trade-times. Corrected in v63H02. Sorry guys!
Attached File
File Type: mq4 Firebird v63H02.mq4   22 KB | 352 downloads
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 7:08am Jun 28, 2006 7:08am
  •  BenQ
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 1,050 Posts
Hendrick,

Congrats on this endeavor. This has been a long thread covering many different aspects of Firebird. I commend you for putting it all together and your generosity for sharing. Thank you.
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 7:58am Jun 28, 2006 7:58am
  •  AlphaPip
  • | Joined Aug 2005 | Status: If you're not 1st, you're last. | 133 Posts
Quoting Yardie
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Well so far I am about 15 wins and one loss since Sunday. But the market has been mostly ranging. I think this EA can be a winner if its design to take advantage of spikes and drops.
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My test results are the same with TP25 SL50 PS25 settings. 18 wins - 0 losses since Sunday. I will be testing the new EA today.
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 8:06am Jun 28, 2006 8:06am
  •  piccolo
  • Joined Feb 2006 | Status: adjust your sails to the wind | 1,354 Posts
Quoting Hendrick
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Made a small miscalculation with the trade-times. Corrected in v63H02. Sorry guys!
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Hey Hendrick,

What if instead of losing position averaging a fixed stop loss would be executed? Averaging a losing position is like drilling a second hole in a sinking boat and gives me the creeps.
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 8:10am Jun 28, 2006 8:10am
  •  The Wizard of Oz
  • | Joined Jan 2006 | Status: Ghot Angrez gu`ak | 143 Posts
Hendrick. You're a champion. Thanks for all your efforts.

An interesting thing is that I am still running the 18 TP 42SL with 15 pipstep, which really bombed out last week and it is now just over 10% in profit since I began. The best performer has been the 20TP and 120SL. A few losses last week but 23 straight profits since then. That one is up 15% overall.

I'll compare the new one on yet another instance of MT4. Sounds promising but I want to test it longer. With decent MM this seems to be doing quite well.

Wiz.
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 10:17am Jun 28, 2006 10:17am
  •  Yardie
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 786 Posts
Hey Hendrick. If I want the EA to trade 24 hours do I leave all the settings at 0?

Is the Safearea setting configurable? I would like it to be -50 + 50 instead.

Thanks for all your efforts!

Quoting Hendrick
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This is a new version of Firebird (Firebirdv63H) with 9 new settings:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

SafeArea<o></o>

<o></o>

This setting is based on the idea that Firebird is doing well in a flat market, but could go wrong when the market gets volatile. The indicator (Firebirdv63H_IND) gives you an idea how this function works (you don’t need to attach this indicator to your charts for Firebirdv63H to work). The indicator is quit simple: it takes the values of the built-in indicators “ Bulls Power” and “ Bears Power” and adds them together. When these powers are in balance it’s safe to trade. When Bulls or Bears get the upper hand their sum crosses a certain level (until now I think levels of 40 and -40 works well) and Firebird isn’t allowed to place trades.<o></o>

<o></o>

TradeFrom1 <o></o>

TradeUntil1 <o></o>

TradeFrom2<o></o>

TradeUntil2<o></o>

TradeFrom3<o></o>

TradeUntil3<o></o>

TradeFrom4<o></o>

TradeUntil4<o></o>

<o></o>

I’ve dropped EDEA because it is easier to incorporate the same idea in Firebird itself. You have now the ability to set four times a day that Firebird is allowed to place trades. These are local times and not the server times. If you want Firebird to trade from 8:00 AM until 11:00 PM use the following settings:<o></o>

<o></o>

TradeFrom1=8 <o></o>

TradeUntil1=23<o></o>

<o></o>

Use a “<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:metricconverter w:st="on" ProductID="0”">0”</st1:metricconverter> for the rest of the settings. <o></o>

<o></o>

Indicator:<o></o>

You can use several settings within the indicator:<o></o>

<o></o>

PC = Price Constants<o></o>

<o></o>

1 = Open price<o></o>

2 = High price<o></o>

3 = Low price.<o></o>

4 = Median price, (high+low)/2.<o></o>

5 =Typical price, (high+low+close)/3<o></o>

6 = Weighted close price, (high+low+close+close)/4.<o></o>

<o></o>

TF=TimeFrame<o></o>

<o></o>

<o></o>
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  • Edited at 12:01pm Jun 28, 2006 11:52am | Edited at 12:01pm
  •  Hendrick
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 407 Posts
Quoting Yardie
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Hey Hendrick. If I want the EA to trade 24 hours do I leave all the settings at 0?

Is the Safearea setting configurable? I would like it to be -50 + 50 instead.

Thanks for all your efforts!
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Hi Yardie,

If you want to trade 24 hours use the following settings:

TradeFrom1=0
TradeUntil1=24

In the properties of this version you can adjust the setting of SafeArea from 40 to 50.
 
 
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  • Jun 28, 2006 2:32pm Jun 28, 2006 2:32pm
  •  BenQ
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 1,050 Posts
Is everyone testing on just the Major 4? In my latest round of testing Firebird (6 versions all with slightly different parameter sets) I've included EURJPY and USDCAD. So testing 6 pairs all together now.

Lately I've been wondering about the feasability of dropping historically strong trending pairs in favor of the more "lazy pairs" since a ranging market is better suited to Firebird's strengths. Keeping the spread tight though is a concern. Any thoughts on this?
 
 
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