The Club!

Hi Friends,


best wishes and greetings from the mountains in Switzerland. Life is wonderful, besides some occasional occurring rock/ice-falls.

Thank you all for participating in this thread over the last days. Very good work.



But as in the mountains with its rockfalls, situations in Forex trading can heat up, especially when decisions have to be taken fast. Some of the comments in the thread over the last days are a reflection of the tension.

I think, to be a good trader requires to be in balance with yourself and your environment. I named the progenitor of this thread Shangri-La for some good reason.

When I created this new thread, I called it "The Club" for the very same reason, namely to reflect, that the participants of the thread should build a sense of togetherness (teamspirit).

In this way we can achieve, that we all can learn from another and be supportive.

In achieving this we have to accept, that we all have our own ways of thinking and trading. Some traders trade on very small TF's for a few pips, others are more swing traders, and others are only looking for some very big swings. Each TF you trade has its own measures and anticipations and expectations.

Some traders here do only open occasionally a position, whereas others are very active (like Schickeria and Forexcube) with many many open positions at the same time. Management of many open positions, especially when taken in different pairs, are a high sophisticated art. Everyone who wants to learn and to understand how you can do such things may read several of Forexcubes fine threads, where he very nicely explains his methods of trading and money management. Some topics here are dealing with many smaller accounts instead of one big one, LOM, and many more.

Please, also keep in mind, that some traders here are even working with translators (and doing a fabulous job with it) which at some times can be a source of misunderstandings.

As much as I appreciate the contributions of Schickeria and Forexcube (as our top contributors in sense of calling trades), for example (there are many others here, which work I appreciate as well), I appreciate the work of Godim, who brings us the merits of Gann. For me it is very useful and I would miss it, if he would stop contributing. For some his charts may look like a picture of modern art, but for the people acquainted with Gann and Murrey Math they are a very good source of information.

Yes, it would be nice, if he would share with us how he trades. But I can fully accept it, when he offers only analysis. I have stated it over and over, that calling trades can badly influence your trading habits from a psychological point of view.

So as a reminder, the goals of this thread are (as can be found on the front page):


Purpose of this thread:

a) offer analysis

b) offer entry/exit in a timely manner - if not able to do in a timely manner (within minutes) abstain from publishing them in order to avoid

discussions and rantings

c) discussions regarding trading


The topics are not meant to be additive. It is fine if you only deliver one of them.


Be a community. Be tranquil. Be successful.


Stay healthy and enjoy the weekend,



yours,


Markus (back to climbing now)

Hi Friends,

almost forgot:


sorry for not being able to post a chart (am on my smartphone LOL)



two scenarios from the recent top:

a) ABC - move which ended at 3368; then B-wave up; now in C-wave impulse down

This C-wave impulse down would then have the count 1-2-(1-2-3-4-5)-now in 4 up

4up may target 3350-3360 area (wave 4 area of smaller degree)

wave 5 down then would then reach 3315 to 3300 ideally


after that new top



b) the top is in

sequence would be:


1-2-1-2-(1-2-3-4-5)-now in 4


wave 5 would end ideally somewhere around 3317-3315 to conclude wave 3

after that wave 4 (wave 2 was deep, so wave 4 should be more sideways)


targets for wave 5 can be calculated later, when we know, where wave 4 and 5 and 4 has ended , but roughly I am counting on 3280-3290 area

EURJPY

This is what you still can not understand. Or do not want?
Please you to ignore all other lines except the red. It costs a lot of effort to set up other visualization and then back to clean it up. Please.


Let's see now, only a fan. The price starts at its fastest angles up. Then the price delay. Even under the 2x1. Then back up to 4x1. Then he slowed down. Following two days an angle 3x1. Support from Thursday. Attempt to break up. Failure. Seeking support. First in the 3x1. Then into 2x1. No support. And now what?

Rule of All Angles: Another important guideline is what Gann called the Rule of All Angles. When a market breaks an angle, it will move toward the next angle. This is because as time passes, an angle’s importance weakens and the market eventually breaks through. Therefore a market breaking the 2 x 1 angle will begin to move toward the 1 x 1 angle; just as a market breaking the 1 x 1 angle will eventually reach the 1 x 2 angle. Conversely, in an up move, an angle that holds the 1 x 2 angle is likely to rally to the 1 x 1, just as overtaking the 1 x 1 is likely to lead to a rally to the 2 x 1.

Now add the remaining lines. The analysis becomes difficult, but not impossible.

May I suggest a solution.

How about... 10 pip a trade thread or rather 1 pip a trade only thread. Only EMA thread, only bullshitters thread, I know it all thread, I am never wrong thread 0nly, Elliott only thread, mine is bigger than yours thread , only swing traders thread, I want to prove something thread, I want to make commission off you thread.....lol...I am my own cheerleader thread...
Lets confuse each other thread!

may be than like minded people would agree on those threads.
I forgot one : pretending live but demo account thread.....

have a good one...

Much respect Godim for your dedication even though Gann is not my preferred method but admire your dedication to teach.

This RSI is also multi TF form THV system

Yes

It is looking good so far

Time will tell

Some reading from Al Brooks, I hope you will find it useful:

Everything that you see is in a gray fog. Nothing is perfectly clear. Close is close enough. If something looks like a reliable pattern, it will likely trade like a reliable pattern.

Every bar is a signal bar for both directions and the market can begin a trend up or down on the next bar. Be open to all possibilities and when the surprise happens, don't question or deny it. Just read it and trade it.

Everything makes sense. If you know how to read price action, noth ing will surprise you because you will understand what the market is doing. Beginners can see it on a printout at the end of the day. The goal is to learn how to read fast enough so that you can understand what is happening real time.

Simply understanding price action is not enough to make you prof itable. You must learn how to take the best trades and follow your rules.

Trading is a job, and if you expect to make serious money, you need a business plan, just as you would have with any other business, and you must follow your plan. The plan can be simple, such as only taking two or three types of setups off a single 5-minute chart, scalping half and swinging the other half with a breakeven stop. However, you must follow your plan. The profit margin is tiny in this business so even a couple lapses in discipline a day can keep you in the red.

Don't tum the market into a casino, because that kind of math is re lentless and unstoppable and will destroy you. Many strategies work often enough to make you believe that you will eventually be able to make a living off of them, but the math is against you. Trading off the I-minute chart is the classic example. You win often enough to believe that you will eventually hone your skills to the point that you will make a fortune. The reality is that many of the best trades happen too fast to catch and you will be left picking among the less profitable ones and make less than you would off the 5-minute, if you make anything at all.

There are no reliable Countertrend patterns, so never trade Coun tertrend unless there first has been a break of a significant trendline. And even then, first look for a With Trend trade that should lead to a test of the old trend's extreme. If the market once again reverses near the old extreme, then you should be entering in the direction of the new trend.

All patterns fail, and the failures often fail, but a failed failure is a sec ond entry in the original direction and has a high probability of success.

When you see that one side is suddenly trapped, the reliability of a scalp in the opposite dire"Ction goes up. Trapped traders will be forced out as you are getting in, and they will likely wait for more price action before entering again in their original direction, so the only traders left will be in your direction.

Seeing traders getting trapped out of a trade on a stop run is as reliable a signal as seeing them getting trapped in a trade. If the market sud denly runs stops and then resumes its trend, this is a reliable setup for at least a scalper's profit.

Many beginners want excitement and tend to overtrade. Many great traders find trading to be lonely and boring, but very profitable.

Simple is better. You don't need indicators, and you should only look at one chart. If you can't make money off a single chart with no indicators, adding more things to analyze will only make it more difficult. Also, only trade the very best setups until you are consistently profitable.

Decide if this is a hobby or a job. If it is a hobby, find another one because this one will be too expensive and it is dangerously addictive. All great traders are likely trading addicts, but most trading addicts are or will likely end up broke.

If you can't juggle one ball, don't try to juggle two or three. If you are not yet making money, start with one chart, one market, one time frame (the 5-minute), and one concept (price action and not indicators).

Begin trading using a 5-minute chart and entering on a stop. Take some or all off on a limit order at a profit target, and then move the protective stop to breakeven on any remaining contracts.

Beginners should consider swing trading stocks instead of scalping or swinging Eminis because stock charts are usually easier to read and often trend well. The Eminis or bond futures become important when your trading volume gets too large to allow for good fills in stocks.

When starting out, you should consider trading the SPY instead of the Emini. One Emini is identical to 500 SPY, and trading 300 to 500 SPY would allow you to scale out as you swing part of your trade, yet not incurmuchrisk. Onceyoureach 1,000to 1,500 SPY, if you are thinking that you will continue to increase your position size, then switch to the Emini. At that size, you can scale out of the Emini and you can increase your position size tremendously without slippage being a significant issue.

If you find that you did not take a couple Emini trades in a row and they worked, you are likely trading too large a position size. Switch to trading 100 to 300 shares of SPY and swing for at least 20 to 50 cents. Even though you won't get rich, at least you will make some money and build your confidence.

Buy low, sell high, except in a clear and strong trend (see chapter on trends). In a bull trend, buy High 2 setups even if they are at the high of the day, and in a bear, sell Low 2s. However, the market is in a trading range for the vast majority of the time. For example, if the market has been going up for a few bars and there is now a buy signal near the top of this leg up, ask yourself if you believe that the market is in one of the established clear and strong bull trend patterns described in this book. If you cannot convince yourself that it is, don't buy high, even if the momentum looks great, since the odds are great that you will be trapped.

Every segment of every chart commonly can be classified as more than one pattern, and almost always the patterns will point in the same di rection. All you have to see is just one to place a trade. For example, a Failed Final Bear Flag long can also be a Double Bottom Bull Flag, and this might also be a Bull Spike and Trading Range Reversal that reversed up after overshooting a trend channel line and a larger bull trend line, and it can progress into a Spike and Channel Bull. If you recognize any of these, you can place a trade even if you do not see all of the others.

Good fill, bad trade. Always be suspicious if the market lets you in or out at a price that is better than you anticipated, but if the setup is good, take it. The corollary of bad fill, good trade is not as reliable.

Trends are always forming pullbacks that look like terrible entries but are profitable and reversals that look good but are losers. Most trend pullbacks follow just enough of a climax to make traders wonder if the trend has ended and trap traders out of entering on the pullback. Also, the trend reversals arejust good enough to attract and trap Coun tertrend traders. If you trade Countertrend, you are gambling, and al though you will often win and have fun, the math is against you, and you will slowly but surely go broke. Countertrend setups in strong trends almost always fail and become great With Trend setups, espe cially on the 1 minute chart.

The easiest time to make money is in the first 90 minutes, and some of the easiest trades to spot are failed breakouts and breakout pullbacks of patterns from the prior day. Beginners should avoid trading in the middle of the day and in the middle of the day's range.

When you are about to take any trade, always ask yourself if the setup is one of the best of the day. Is this the one that the institutions have been waiting for all day? If the answer is "no" and you are not a con sistently profitable trader, then you should not take the trade either. If you have two consecutive losers within 15-minutes or so, ask yourself if those were trades that the institutions have been waiting hours to take. If the answer is no, you are overtrading, and you need to become more patient.

Those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. Don't watch TV or read any news. The traders who are making the most money trading are too busy to be on TV. Ask yourself, if you are net ting even just two points in the Emini a day on large positions, do you really want to bother with going on TV? So why are you listening for trading ideas from someone who can't even make a couple points a day? Trading is a business, not a religion, so don't look for a trading savior.

Every bar and every series of bars is either a trend or a trading range. Pick one. Throughout the day and especially around 8:30 A . M . PST, you need to be deciding whether or not the day resembles any trend pat tern described in this book. If it does and you are looking to take any trade, you must take every With Trend trade. Never consider taking a Countertrend trade if you haven't been taking all of the With Trend trades.

The best signal bars are trend bars in the direction of your trade. Doji bars are one bar trading ranges and therefore terrible signal bars. You will lose if you buy above a trading range in a bear or sell below one in a bull.

You will not make consistent money until you stop trading Coun tertrend scalps. You will win often enough to keep you trying to improve your technique, but over time your account will slowly disappear.

You will not make money until you start trading With Trend pullbacks.

You will not make money trading reversals until you wait for a break of a significant trendline and then for a strong reversal bar on a test of the trend's extreme.

You will not make money unless you know what you are doing. Print out the 5-minute Emini chart every day (and stock charts, if you trade stocks) and write on the chart every setup that you see. When you see several price action features, write them all on the chart. Do this every day for years until you can look at any part of any chart and instantly understand what is happening.

If you lost on two or three trades in a row or if you lost money on the day, you are overtrading and not being patient. You might be fooling yourself and looking for "low risk" early entries on the 1- or 3- minute charts, or you are trading Countertrend, or you are trading in Barb Wire. Bad habits always erase more than your winnings. You are on the path to a blown account, even though you might be moving slowly in that direction. But you will eventually get there.

You will not make money long term until you know enough about your personality to find a trading style that is compatible. You need to be able to follow your rules comfortably, allowing you to enter and exit trades with minimal or no uncertainty or anxiety. Once you have mas tered a method of trading, if you feel stress while trading, then either you haven't yet found your style or yourself.

Always look for two legs. Also, when the market tries to do something twice and fails both times, that is a reliable signal that it will likely succeed in doing the opposite.

Never cherry pick because you will invariably pick enough rotten cher ries to end up a loser. Either swing trade and look to take only the best two or three of the best setups of the day, or scalp and take every valid setup. That, however, is the more difficult alternative and is only for people with very unusual personalities (even more unusual than the rest of us traders!).

Beginners should only take the best trades and either scalp or swing.

It is difficult to watch a screen for two or three hours at a time and not place a trade, but this is the best way for beginners to make money. If your overriding goal is to make money, this is what you must do. If you do not, then you have other goals that are interfering with what should really be your only goal.

Discipline is the single most important characteristic of winning traders. Trading is easy to understand but difficult to do. It is very difficult to follow simple rules, and even occasional self-indulgences can be the difference between success and failure. Everyone can be as mentally tough as Tiger Woods for one shot, but few can be that tough for an entire round, and then be that way for a round every day of their lives. Everyone knows what mental toughness and discipline are, and everyone is mentally tough and disciplined in some activities every day, but few truly appreciate just how extreme and unrelenting you have to be to be a great trader. Develop the discipline to take only the best trades.

The second-most-important trait of great traders is the ability to do nothing for hours at a time. Don't succumb to boredom and let it con vince you that it's been too long since the last trade.

Work on increasing your position size rather than on the number of trades or the variety of setups that you use. You only need to make one point in the Eminis a day to do well (100 contracts at 1 point a day is seven figures a year).

Very nice count.

Thank you magadam!

Can not occur recalculation of the levels.

The other parameters are extremum and time when it was formed. Things we can not change, right?

I use the same graph and explain the daily levels.

I look at the pink line.
I can calculate the levels every 4 hours.

Extremum is formed on the bar of 12oo. Which gives a level 3320.

When you go on daily chart, the lines have only one point of intersection with the date August 9.

the level of intersection is 3321

The difference of a pip, I guess, is rounding.

Schickeria offering 3321 levels for long. All day. He did not say to 12oo - so, then 12oo - else. Daily level - a daily chart - one intersection. Statics.

Enough with lyrics. Little work. Analysis.
eur/usd daily
The failure of the bulls raises concerns. But exactly what happened? Well just inside bar. Needed at least two day bars with lower lows. To mark DownSwing.

Let's include the 3321 level (or you want another, but to be below 3327).
What would they get it? Bears would get their NeutralSlope. Bulls would have the opportunity to Buy. But there was not time to re-attack the peak. To crush the ambitions of bears. Bulls said, we will all decide next week, and now we'll defend the level 3327. Look the range 3335-3345. Question - answer, and again and again ...

gbp/usd daily

The chart looks the same.

I wish you a cheerful weekend. I'm going to celebrate. I promise. Without provocative questions.

Weekly MarcToMarket Update by Marc Chandler

http://www.marctomarket.com/2013/08/...hnical_10.html

hey forexcube what is your longer term outlook for the cadchf???

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