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  • #21
  • May 19, 2013 1:30am May 19, 2013 1:30am
well to each his own.I envy stats like that....basically that's close to the holy Grail.
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  • #22
  • May 19, 2013 4:32am May 19, 2013 4:32am
There is zero advantage in risk reward; if you put a 20 point stop and a 60 point profit your chances are probably 3-1 that you will lose; actually with the spread its more like 4 to 1 ( Jimmy Young )

salaam
  • #23
  • May 19, 2013 4:51am May 19, 2013 4:51am
Quoting deltatrade
genie it apears to me that you are the one delivering results and not anybody else here. they wanna show math and logic but the truth is that their whole thinking is wrong.it's not empirical based it's logic based. choosing a high reward to risk over a high winrate is a bad thing. with 70% winrate you can drop even to 50% and you don't lose anything . with 70% you can risk much more than with 30% and it's a safer bet than any. of course it's a bad thing if you are presented with such an option but the truth of the matter is that high winrate...
you are wrong with a few statements, but that's what makes a market.
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  • #24
  • May 19, 2013 4:51am May 19, 2013 4:51am
Quoting mr.kho
There is zero advantage in risk reward; if you put a 20 point stop and a 60 point profit your chances are probably 3-1 that you will lose; actually with the spread its more like 4 to 1 ( Jimmy Young ) salaam
rubbish
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  • #25
  • May 19, 2013 4:54am May 19, 2013 4:54am
Quoting mr.kho
There is zero advantage in risk reward; if you put a 20 point stop and a 60 point profit your chances are probably 3-1 that you will lose; actually with the spread its more like 4 to 1 ( Jimmy Young ) salaam
but if you can put a trend filter you can massively improve the odds.The problem is defining what the trend is.
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  • #26
  • May 19, 2013 5:09am May 19, 2013 5:09am
Quoting 60minuteman
Data from brokers say that the average win rate is around 50% and therefore 1/1 would not be enough to make profit....therefore if you design a system that has higher than 1/1 RR you increase the probability of being profitable over the long run.
???

You donīt know the R:R these traders are using. Maybe they achieve mentioned 50% hit rate with a high R:R? So, if they would apply 1:1, their hit rate would increase and they would still be profitable. I donīt understand how you can derive an argument from this data.
  • #27
  • May 19, 2013 5:23am May 19, 2013 5:23am
Quoting Myo
{quote} ??? You donīt know the R:R these traders are using. Maybe they achieve mentioned 50% hit rate with a high R:R? So, if they would apply 1:1, their hit rate would increase and they would still be profitable. I donīt understand how you can derive an argument from this data.
well we know it's not 2/1 or more, because if the majority of traders have a 50% win rate and their RR is 2/1 or more then most retail traders would be making profit, and they're not.

Therefore most traders have a R/R of 1/1 or less and that results in most traders losing money... If the data is accurate of course. (have no reason to doubt the validity of the data)
tradewith60
  • #28
  • May 19, 2013 5:30am May 19, 2013 5:30am
these arguments go no where...

but put simply.... if you can't find a way to risk 20 pips and win 60 consistently, in the markets we have now...

then do you really want to hang your future on trading? are you really cut out for it?

Any trader worth his salt should be able to hit 2/1 consistently really... i mean just have a look at any dollar cross... GU? EU?... come on... be honest with yourself, talk about 1 direction ???? can you cut it?
tradewith60
  • #29
  • May 19, 2013 5:32am May 19, 2013 5:32am
Quoting 60minuteman
{quote} you are wrong with a few statements, but that's what makes a market.
actually i'm not wrong in any aspect. if anybody is wrong here that is you. losers giving each other vouchers don't impress me.
  • #30
  • May 19, 2013 5:38am May 19, 2013 5:38am
Quoting deltatrade
{quote} actually i'm not wrong in any aspect. if anybody is wrong here that is you. losers giving each other vouchers don't impress me.
i have no need to impress you, i just want your money, even losers aren't vouching for you
tradewith60
  • #31
  • May 19, 2013 5:42am May 19, 2013 5:42am
For those that are interested Deltatrade is wrong because he is stating that you can risk more just based on your win rate, fatally flawed because you also need to factor in how much you risk per trade.

50% win rate, 1/1 risk reward can still lead you to blow up your account.
tradewith60
  • #32
  • May 19, 2013 5:52am May 19, 2013 5:52am
Quoting 60minuteman
For those that are interested Deltatrade is wrong because he is stating that you can risk more just based on your win rate, fatally flawed because you also need to factor in how much you risk per trade. 50% win rate, 1/1 risk reward can still lead you to blow up your account.
wrong. i did not say that. you don't know how to read.
  • #33
  • May 19, 2013 5:57am May 19, 2013 5:57am
Quoting 60minuteman
{quote} rubbish

thanks and good luck mate

salaam
  • #34
  • May 19, 2013 6:06am May 19, 2013 6:06am
Delta said "with 70% you can risk much more than with 30% and it's a safer bet than any"

mmm Delta, you need to be clear what you're saying...
tradewith60
  • #35
  • May 19, 2013 6:07am May 19, 2013 6:07am
Quoting mr.kho
{quote} thanks and good luck mate salaam
neither luck or religion will get you through long term Kho...

chok dee krap
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  • #36
  • May 19, 2013 6:11am May 19, 2013 6:11am
Quoting 60minuteman
Delta said "with 70% you can risk much more than with 30% and it's a safer bet than any" mmm Delta, you need to be clear what you're saying...
at 30% you need 1:3.5 risk at least reward and at 70% you need 1:1 aprox. only an outsider doesn't know the 2 trading parameters that actually gives a system.
  • #37
  • May 19, 2013 6:15am May 19, 2013 6:15am
Quoting deltatrade
{quote} at 30% you need 1:3 risk at least reward and at 70% you need 1:1 aprox. only an outsider doesn't know the 2 trading parameters that actually gives a system.
see you're wrong again... you also need to add in percentage of account risked.... It's no good winning for a while then blowing up your account, how is that a plan?

Delta you need to read about risk models... and by the way, your win rate is 44% so 1/1 ain't gonna cut it for you...
tradewith60
  • #38
  • May 19, 2013 6:17am May 19, 2013 6:17am
For Delta and anyone else who is serious about protecting their capital

http://fxevolve.com/blog/how-to-buil...ng-risk-model/
tradewith60
  • #39
  • May 19, 2013 6:19am May 19, 2013 6:19am
http://fxevolve.com/blog/forex-risk-management/
tradewith60
  • #40
  • May 19, 2013 6:22am May 19, 2013 6:22am
Quoting 60minuteman
{quote} see you're wrong again... you also need to add in percentage of account risked.... It's no good winning for a while then blowing up your account, how is that a plan? Delta you need to read about risk models... and by the way, your win rate is 44% so 1/1 ain't gonna cut it for you...
once you know winrate and reward risk you can calculate the risk per trade. maybe you should not be so redundant. actually the 2 most important parameters are what i said they are. risk management is a joke without the proper system. funny you should mention risk and working trading systems when you don't have anything to begin with . i think you're here for the vouchers. you have them and now maybe you should go home.
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