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  • #41
  • May 2, 2013 2:36pm May 2, 2013 2:36pm
Quoting Slim Buffett
{quote} http://www.livescience.com/26278-ris...egan-diet.html
doesn't livescience also tell that the only cure for cancer is chemoterapy? doesn't livescience say that alopathy is so great?
you come here with bullshit deductive reasoning saying that it's science when actually it's only deductive logic. and for your information in regards to human health it usually fails. if the body was mathematic than than that would be another issue. but it's not and normal medicine does not heal anything. the body heals itself given the proper conditions are met.
if you like meat just say so and please do the following experiment. eat meat 50% of your calories and speak with us in 10 years time about your health maybe a lot sooner...
  • #42
  • May 2, 2013 3:44pm May 2, 2013 3:44pm
Were you guys not aware that nutrition has been put on the list of things that you don't discuss openly unless you want a fist fight? Yes, it use to be just politics and religion, but now nutrition/fitness subjects are in there too.

Cheers!
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  • #43
  • May 2, 2013 3:50pm May 2, 2013 3:50pm
Quoting amyc
/QUOTE. Human beings need zinc in relation to copper in a ratio of 8.1. The only food that has zinc with no copper is meat, if you eat vegetarian sources of zinc they are all very high in copper. This is going to cause big problems overtime. Ratios are more...
Again, is there any science behind that? I've never heard anything about this ratio of nutrients, where are you getting that from?
  • #44
  • May 2, 2013 3:55pm May 2, 2013 3:55pm
I 1000% believe in eating whole foods as our true wealth. I do believe in the body always trying to heal itself and maintain blood pH in balance. This balancing act can be seen in market profile charts as well and in everything that involves duality.

Also, I'd like to hear more about those ratios of zinc:copper, magnesium, etc. and sources.

Interesting thread, happy trading to all.
  • #45
  • May 2, 2013 4:36pm May 2, 2013 4:36pm
Quoting Slim Buffett
{quote} http://www.livescience.com/26278-ris...egan-diet.html
As deltatrade said its full of nonsense deductive reasoning and selective paraphrasing from non-referenced sources. This is far from science.

For example, gorillas he says only have brains a third the size of humans because of their raw food vegetarian diet. By that logic lions should be about 10 times more intelligent than humans with brains the size of a suitcase - maybe we should let them run the economy?

You should look up statistics on malnutrition in the Western world. There are millions of meat eaters suffering from malnutrition in our affluent societies. If you think vegetarians would be more healthy if they had three big Macs a week you are so wrong. Vegetarians are among the most health concious and healthy people around.


Finally there is b12 in many many foods including eggs, milk, cheese, yogurt, bread, breakfast cereals. You highlighted an article on the vegan diet (not sure why as were were talking about vegetarian diet) and the b12 issue is widely understood which is why there are hundreds of fortified vegan foods on the shelves or ofcourse vitamin pills available at very reasonable prices. So don't get too worried about the vegan kids but well done for the concern.
  • #46
  • May 2, 2013 5:21pm May 2, 2013 5:21pm
let me give an example of a failed deductive reasoning. they have done studies which show that calcium is absorbed from dietary milk very well. now the deductive reasoning would be that if you get calcium from the dairy and vitamin d from the sun you will have better bones and teeth. the fact of the matter is that in a real scientific study which is only empirical testing on 2 large populations (bigger than 10000 people) they found that the people who eat dairy are much more inclined for osteoporosis rather than the people who did not consume milk at all. my grandpa (82) eats pasteurised milk everyday and has osteoporosis but two equally aged females from the same area which i know personally don't have osteoporosis and don't consume dairy products.
  • #47
  • May 2, 2013 6:09pm May 2, 2013 6:09pm
Quoting deltatrade
let me give an example of a failed deductive reasoning. they have done studies which show that calcium is absorbed from dietary milk very well. now the deductive reasoning would be that if you get calcium from the dairy and vitamin d from the sun you will have better bones and teeth. the fact of the matter is that in a real scientific study which is only empirical testing on 2 large populations (bigger than 10000 people) they found that the people who eat dairy are much more inclined for osteoporosis rather than the people who did not consume milk...
That's because calcium is only one factor of many in osteoporosis, bones need much more than just calcium, you need magnesium in the right ratio to calcium, then you need copper, manganese, zinc, vitamin d etc. Copper helps calcium stay in the bones so once again if your zinc copper ratio is off then calcium won't stay in the bones.
Another problem could be you have a high sodium level, sodium is a solvent and too much will dissolve calcium and magnesium then what you end up with is the body pulling calcium out of the bones to put in the blood to keep the blood level correct.

If you are interested in learning more about ratios look up Dr Paul Ecks work, and also look up he laboratory he started which is called Analytical Research labs in Phoenix Arizona.

I'm not going to write anymore here on this topic.
  • #48
  • May 2, 2013 6:14pm May 2, 2013 6:14pm
Quoting stevexyg
{quote} As deltatrade said its full of nonsense deductive reasoning and selective paraphrasing from non-referenced sources. This is far from science. For example, gorillas he says only have brains a third the size of humans because of their raw food vegetarian diet. By that logic lions should be about 10 times more intelligent than humans with brains the size of a suitcase - maybe we should let them run the economy? You should look up statistics on malnutrition in the Western world. [b]There are millions of meat eaters suffering from malnutrition...
One last comment, that is because they have weak digestions, you need excellent digestion to digest and feel good eating meat. That is one of the main reasons people become vegetarian in the first place, they feel better without meat. This will become a catch 22 overtime because one of the main nutrients you need for good digestion is zinc in proper ratio to copper.
  • #49
  • May 2, 2013 9:52pm May 2, 2013 9:52pm
Ok, quiz... I came up with (don't know of anyone who's said it before) a saying.... it goes "a diet is the same thing as a budge".... Tell me, in what sense is a diet just like a budget?
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  • #50
  • May 2, 2013 10:39pm May 2, 2013 10:39pm
Quoting Eagleprice
{quote} Yeah I agree Cutting sugar out of the diet is better for trading brain and keeps your brain active but I don't think most people will do that because of the cravings .They are not gonna stop eating sugar unless and until they have diabetes.Some suggest to take on alternatives like sugar free etc. But I dont think that is a good replacement for sugar !!! I am using sugarfree from 2 years it is sugarless!!! and doesn't fulfill your cravings for sweet {image}
If we go by science, brain lives on oxygen + glucose (derived from sugar / starch etc.). A medico can prolly explain this in a better & scientific way. Not taking sugar at all, means you are starving your brain & making sure its less productive.

We must maintain decent levels of sugar in our blood so that our brain works right, needless to say that the sugar levels should be well balanced. Don't spike them either. Cinnamon is good if you get spiky cravings.

Most of the human beings realize this fact: "Health is Wealth" usually when its quite late. We should try hard to inculcate this feeling in our kids.

Daily cardio or walk are not only good for trader's brain, but also helps in bed :-0
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  • #51
  • May 2, 2013 11:01pm May 2, 2013 11:01pm
Actually the brain functions on glucose (just as most of the body does if we refer to energy in isolation). Your body can make glucose out of anything and this is a basic survival mechanism. Fat, carbs and protein (both from intake or muscle breakdown) can be converted into sugar for energy. Protein conversion to glucose, for example, happens at the liver in a process called "gluconeogenesis". You don't need to eat sugar in order to fuel your brain. Although is understood that is you don't eat any sugar at all you run a chance (a chance, not always guaranteed) of loosing muscle and that is a terrible thing to have. We need to grow into the 21st century. Long duration steady cardio has already been shown to be detrimental if used as the only form of exercise. Off course, the worst type of exercise is the one you don't do but jogging your life out will only make you fatter in the long run. Weight training and high intensity intervals are the ones you want to focus on. By the way, bones need the stimuli of tension in order to grow and regenerate. Eating calcium alone is not going to tell your bones to grow. Our entire body is based on a supply and demand structure (just like the market, who could have known???) and hormones and almost hormones alone are the equivalent of economic news, they tell your tissues and body parts as to what is going on and where the demand and supply (of food) is. If you don't demand from your muscles you lose them. If you don't demand from your bones, you lose them. This is the reason astronauts MUST exercise in space and usually loose bones minerals after extended stays in space.
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  • #52
  • May 2, 2013 11:51pm May 2, 2013 11:51pm
Quoting PiPtHiEf
Actually the brain functions on glucose (just as most of the body does if we refer to energy in isolation). Your body can make glucose out of anything and this is a basic survival mechanism. Fat, carbs and protein (both from intake or muscle breakdown) can be converted into sugar for energy. Protein conversion to glucose, for example, happens at the liver in a process called "gluconeogenesis".....
I really appreciate the detailed scientific explanation of how body synthesizes / procures sugar when sugar is not there, nevertheless, I would never encourage my body to break down my muscles so that it can make some sugar which my brain needs. I would hate eating myself. Since, I try to take least amounts of fats, I would not like to increase my fat intake either, so that my body can break these fats to make sugar. I would not rely on "gluconeogenesis" either so that the proteins in my body can be converted into needed sugar.

I still insist, reasonable amounts of sugar is good for health as it gets digested right in the mouth & feeds the body including brain & makes us active & fresh in no time. Its like instant energy kick, makes us happy, prevents Alzheimer's and many other such diseases.

On other note, I strongly support walking & jogging to keep fit.
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  • #53
  • May 3, 2013 12:45am May 3, 2013 12:45am
Very important point. Most of us become traders to be our own boss and be independent and work on our own timings. But what happens? 1. We want to be watching market 24/7 in a fear we might loose some good trade. 2. We aren't independent. 3. We aren't our own boss first of all. Our subconscious mind know that we have other works to do. Our conscious mind ignores all that subconscious mind say and make us sit before market for most of the time. Being boss? I read somewhere once. "If you enjoy the time when u are out of market, you have what it takes to be a good trader.". Spend time on things you "must" do. Workout, spending with family. And also trading.
  • #54
  • May 3, 2013 1:21am May 3, 2013 1:21am
Prolonged stress can be detrimental to not only your trading, but to your health in general. Knowing that stress can have such an adverse affect on you, it's a good idea to find ways to curb your stress all together, or at least reduce it, for the sake of a better trading environment. Exercise! This is a no-brainer. And don't think you have to run out and buy a gym membership. Taking a nice brisk walk around the neighborhood during your trading down-time will do the trick. Exercise helps relieve the tension that builds up during your crazy trading sessions and it keeps your body feeling loose and fresh.
  • #55
  • May 3, 2013 1:27am May 3, 2013 1:27am
Quoting Bhoopalan
Very important point. Most of us become traders to be our own boss and be independent and work on our own timings. But what happens? 1. We want to be watching market 24/7 in a fear we might loose some good trade. 2. We aren't independent. 3. We aren't our own boss first of all. Our subconscious mind know that we have other works to do. Our conscious mind ignores all that subconscious mind say and make us sit before market for most of the time. Being boss? I read somewhere once. "If you enjoy the time when u are out of market, you have what it takes...
Interesting you mention the subconscious and conscious.

I actually got hypnotised a couple of days ago to quit a 10 year smoking habit. I've tried everything previously and nothing worked. So far the hypnosis has been successful. Anyway the hypnotised point was that every other method for quitting smoking was a conscious one and so often the subconscious will override the conscious and win every time.

She explained to me that the subconscious protects us physically and emotionally (or thinks it does) and so all of our most instinctual reactions and habits stems from what the subconscious knows to be true, even if our conscious mind may disagree. So I guess my subconscious believed that it was protecting me from emotional pain by smoking, so anytime I would feel stressed or bored my supercomputer would command me to have a cigarette. Anywayyy..

One of the things the hypnotist did in the hypnosis was relate the colour RED to the new attitudes my subconscious was programmed to have. This means that throughout my day whenever I see the colour RED I am instantly reminded of "the plan". It kind of re calibrates my mind subconsciously by reminding me actually smoking is NOT what I want to, when I start feeling the urge to smoke I consciously start looking for the colour red, when I see it in something, I feel better instantly and the craving goes away,...

Pretty Cool HUh>/?

Anyway where am I going with this... "WE ARE OUR OWN BOSS"... It's just that sometimes we have developed habits and trained ourselves to be the wrong kind of boss.

So I think that colour relation could work well in trading or a diet plan or anything that requires discipline.. As soon as your conscious mind (will power) is distracted by any 1 of the million little things that can pop into our heads on a daily basis, our subconscious immediately takes the reins and controls us to do everything it's been trained to do through our habits.

If you could define the exact type of mindset you want when you're trading or working out or eating, you could practice meditation and attach perhaps the colour red or some type of symbol that is constantly in your eyeshot whilst trading, to make that connection (reminder) between your DESIRED mindset in your subconscious and your conscious.

Anyway...

Have you ever wondered WHY you don't actually do what it is you want? A study was conducted with people who were supposed to exercise for 3 weeks straight. The study found that sometimes people would get to the front door and decide not to go running that day. They would actually get pleasure from NOT doing what they wanted to do and this triggered the pleasure parts in their brain.

They found though that by resisting that urge to stay inside and even when they did not want to go running actually do it.. After 2 weeks or so the rewards stimulated by the brain reversed and they actually felt worse by not going for a run. And the pleasure was now stimulated by going for the run. In other words the subconscious had retrained itself to associate exercise with pleasure where previously it was trained to associate laziness with pleasure.

Anyway I wrote this post for another thread but I think some parts are relevant here.
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  • #56
  • May 3, 2013 2:53am May 3, 2013 2:53am
^^ I'm just much interested about hypnosis and mind studies. (I'm not a psychology student or anything even close though.) That's why I think frequently about conscious and subconscious mind. I've never been hypnotized by anyone. But I'm hypnotized about the power of hypnosis.

I believe I'm going out of the topic here.

"So I think that colour relation could work well in trading or a diet plan or anything that requires discipline." I think that could work only after hypnosis as the hypnotist would make your subconscious mind feel it that way. Or else it's still difficult.
  • #57
  • May 3, 2013 2:58am May 3, 2013 2:58am
Quoting amyc
{quote} One last comment, that is because they have weak digestions, you need excellent digestion to digest and feel good eating meat. That is one of the main reasons people become vegetarian in the first place, they feel better without meat. This will become a catch 22 overtime because one of the main nutrients you need for good digestion is zinc in proper ratio to copper.
diversity of thought is always a good ideea in solving problems. just like in forex it is always a good ideea to learn everything that you can even if there are 2 ideeas that are good in 1000 ideeas that are bad. i don't have bone problems but when i will do i will make sure that i will find out everybodies opinion(everybody that has a theory and a practise involving that illness) because i think we are far from the truth in regards to what medicine is and how it should be. now we're doing studies on populations. what if in the future we find out a way that we can make drugs or suppliments or herbs or nutrition personalised for each individual?
  • #58
  • May 3, 2013 3:01am May 3, 2013 3:01am
What a nice thread!

Ok, im working out every 2 days, and do some cardio/fat burn between my workout days.

And i must admit that kettlebell swing is the best excercise. It burns fat fast, force all our body to work at the same time.

I look better and feel 5 years younger.

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  • #59
  • Edited 6:10pm May 3, 2013 4:53am | Edited 6:10pm
Quoting deltatrade
{quote} what if in the future we find out a way that we can make drugs or suppliments or herbs or nutrition personalised for each individual? ..
There are a couple of labs in America that already offer this, one is Analytical research labs in Arizona, another is Trace elements in Texas.
  • #60
  • May 3, 2013 7:44am May 3, 2013 7:44am
I am on crossfit lol it really tears your body off into pieces it is a mixture of cardio,Weights,Bodyweight,Squats. Exercises are very tough and really need hard work to push up and down all those weights .But really an enjoyable but you need to be more careful because the chances of getting injured is much higher

Anybody do crossfit here?
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