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Every thread should be respected

  • #1
  • First Post: Jun 11, 2006 5:42am Jun 11, 2006 5:42am
Hi All,

To be honest I think you all guys that say 'Im sick about seeing people compining about brokers' are a bit unfair.

Who complains about bad experiences about brokers has exactly the same right to post a threads like everybodyelse. If you have nothing to say about these threads, simply don't say nothing, but don't attack people which already are frustrated about their bad experiences with brokers.

We must all try to be a bit more understandable and respect all topics in this forums, otherwise this forum, known for its openmind members will start to be like any other forum

Thanks to everybody
  • #2
  • Edited 10:10am Jun 11, 2006 9:03am | Edited 10:10am
Trucco,

I can see your point. I have some questions for clarification.

Suppose I am new to the Forum and I started a thread like this?
Suppose your name was Steve,

"Steve is a thief and let me tell you my story."
Then I go on to tell a story with absolutely no evedence except for the testimony of some other people who are also new.
Then several other people post their stories of someone else being a thief, again with no proof. Do you feel that justice was served and you were treated fairly? I of course do not. I think someone should be presumed innocent until the evidence proves otherwise, or ar least a preponderance of evidence.

There is a thread here where a member did show clear and compelling evidence of price manipulation in a data feed. I do not think anyone spoke of shutting that down. It was justified by the evidence.

This Forum should never be used as a method for collection of alleged debt or for insulting or disparaging another person or institution's reputation. I do not feel that is what open minded is... That is not responsible.

It would not do just to not reply to the offending thread. something like this statement above just cannot stand without some backing..

There are certain inflammatory statments that cannot stand.

I have read your other posts, so I say this with respect and admiration, Scott

Quoting trucco
Hi All,

To be honest I think you all guys that say 'Im sick about seeing people compining about brokers' are a bit unfair.

Who complains about bad experiences about brokers has exactly the same right to post a threads like everybodyelse. If you have nothing to say about these threads, simply don't say nothing, but don't attack people which already are frustrated about their bad experiences with brokers.

We must all try to be a bit more understandable and respect all topics in this forums, otherwise this forum, known for its openmind members will start to be like any other forum

Thanks to everybody
  • #3
  • Jun 11, 2006 10:40am Jun 11, 2006 10:40am
Quoting smjones
Trucco,

I can see your point. I have some questions for clarification.

Suppose I am new to the Forum and I started a thread like this?
Suppose your name was Steve,

"Steve is a thief and let me tell you my story."
Then I go on to tell a story with absolutely no evedence except for the testimony of some other people who are also new.
Then several other people post their stories of someone else being a thief, again with no proof. Do you feel that justice was served and you were treated fairly? I of course do not. I think someone should be presumed innocent until the evidence proves otherwise, or ar least a preponderance of evidence.

There is a thread here where a member did show clear and compelling evidence of price manipulation in a data feed. I do not think anyone spoke of shutting that down. It was justified by the evidence.

This Forum should never be used as a method for collection of alleged debt or for insulting or disparaging another person or institution's reputation. I do not feel that is what open minded is... That is not responsible.

It would not do just to not reply to the offending thread. something like this statement above just cannot stand without some backing..

There are certain inflammatory statments that cannot stand.

I have read your other posts, so I say this with respect and admiration, Scott
Actually Scott, there was talk about shutting that thread down. Not only that, but even after I provided clear evidence regarding the matter, I was then accused of foul play - making up the whole story simply because I wouldn't release the name of the broker. That's part of why I cautioned you guys to be more respectful when these things happen as you'll end up chasing good traders away. I'm certain cotjam and rtparty feel the same as I did.

I believe in the concept of openness. If this is going to be an open forum, then, let people express whatever opinions they want, short of complete disrespect of others and offensive language. As it pertains to brokers, I want to know people's experiences. Some of those experiences cannot be proven. In the case of CotJam, what do people here want from him? Do you want to see his phone bill to show his outgoing calls? I think bashing a broker isn't well defined on this or other forums. If I get on and say something the effect "I hate this broker ... they really suck, etc." well, that isn't a lot to go on. But if a member comes on, even a new member, and states some very specific details about an experience with a broker, well, I just wouldn't call it bashing. And, if I did, I'm intelligent enough to look at all the evidence, not a single thread.

So, I'm going to take the lead of my son's awesome baseball coach in his final game. You guys are the ump. I'm not going to complain about the call, but, just make the call. I will tell you, though, that from a member's perspective, any information, specific information, about a given broker is extremely helpful. It doesn't mean the broker is blacklisted for me, but, it does allow me to trade my plan strategically with the broker pitfalls in mind.

Regards,

stockwet
  • #4
  • Edited 11:23am Jun 11, 2006 11:05am | Edited 11:23am
Stockwet,

If you remember, I did not at any time suggest your thread be closed for content as you presented a fair case with your proof, right up front.
I thought it took great courage to come forward with your chart showing the mis deed. As I recall weren't people angry because you would not disclose who the broker was, not because you were speaking out against a broker?

I know you have great integrity. I also believe that Cotjam has integrity. If you were to read my posts you sould see I am only interested in the deeper story. not just one side. I only wish they had presented the same way you did. That would be more reasonable for the reader.

In response to you statement about cotjam, I am in contact with them now and will take up joneborn's kind offer and meet with them next week, provided they contact me back. It would be a shame to attract good traders at the expense of fair play...

I know you are a very reasonable person and I certainly can see your point...

Maybe I will have more info next week.
Edit:
I just went and reread the only post suggesting shutting down the thread,
http://www.forexfactory.com/forexfor...3&postcount=94
It was me telling everyone to calm down. Not because of your content.

Here is the thread in question
http://www.forexfactory.com/forexfor...9&page=1&pp=15
The only thing I can find is that some are angry because you will not reveal who the broker is. btw I think you were justified in that approach.

Unfortunately, there will always be on any forum some people who have difficulty containing their anger. But as I read that thread again just now, the majority of people are supporting you...

I think this thread is a text book case of how to present your arguement and back it up with the facts... My hat is off to you on this one.

Scott



Quoting stockwet
Actually Scott, there was talk about shutting that thread down. Not only that, but even after I provided clear evidence regarding the matter, I was then accused of foul play - making up the whole story simply because I wouldn't release the name of the broker. That's part of why I cautioned you guys to be more respectful when these things happen as you'll end up chasing good traders away. I'm certain cotjam and rtparty feel the same as I did.

I believe in the concept of openness. If this is going to be an open forum, then, let people express whatever opinions they want, short of complete disrespect of others and offensive language. As it pertains to brokers, I want to know people's experiences. Some of those experiences cannot be proven. In the case of CotJam, what do people here want from him? Do you want to see his phone bill to show his outgoing calls? I think bashing a broker isn't well defined on this or other forums. If I get on and say something the effect "I hate this broker ... they really suck, etc." well, that isn't a lot to go on. But if a member comes on, even a new member, and states some very specific details about an experience with a broker, well, I just wouldn't call it bashing. And, if I did, I'm intelligent enough to look at all the evidence, not a single thread.

So, I'm going to take the lead of my son's awesome baseball coach in his final game. You guys are the ump. I'm not going to complain about the call, but, just make the call. I will tell you, though, that from a member's perspective, any information, specific information, about a given broker is extremely helpful. It doesn't mean the broker is blacklisted for me, but, it does allow me to trade my plan strategically with the broker pitfalls in mind.

Regards,

stockwet
  • #5
  • Jun 11, 2006 12:22pm Jun 11, 2006 12:22pm
Quoting smjones
Trucco,

I can see your point. I have some questions for clarification.

Suppose I am new to the Forum and I started a thread like this?
Suppose your name was Steve,

"Steve is a thief and let me tell you my story."
Then I go on to tell a story with absolutely no evedence except for the testimony of some other people who are also new.
Then several other people post their stories of someone else being a thief, again with no proof. Do you feel that justice was served and you were treated fairly? I of course do not. I think someone should be presumed innocent until the evidence proves otherwise, or ar least a preponderance of evidence.

There is a thread here where a member did show clear and compelling evidence of price manipulation in a data feed. I do not think anyone spoke of shutting that down. It was justified by the evidence.

This Forum should never be used as a method for collection of alleged debt or for insulting or disparaging another person or institution's reputation. I do not feel that is what open minded is... That is not responsible.

It would not do just to not reply to the offending thread. something like this statement above just cannot stand without some backing..

There are certain inflammatory statments that cannot stand.

I have read your other posts, so I say this with respect and admiration, Scott

Hi Scott,

Firstable I apologise if you think that my comment was direct to you, but it wasn't. I probably used the last 'attacking string' I saw , but really, accept my apologies if you felt my notes was direct to you.

I agree with you, and indeed bringing and accuse precise Broker names on public forums is for sure not a good idea, especially if there is no prove of the 'accuses'.

Personally I never mentioned a Broker, in the good or in the bad way ( You can see in my posts).
I don't even want to talk about the broker Im with, even if im very satisfied about him.

But I think that a general discussion of what to somebody happened and asking for other's experience about a specific Broker, if done in a respectful way, is something possible, ofcourse nobody must accuse anybody without proves.
Im sure there are around the web forums talking about car's defect and people exchanging ideas about specific cars. The same should be possible with Brokers, but I repeat, without any free accuse without specific proves.

I just noticed that after i posted my last thread about my doubts on brokers, an explosion of crytics to people making comments or asking on brokers came out.

So in general way, I agree that any Broker should be mentioned , but at this point, not only if in the bad way, but also in the good way. (It could also be free adverts)
In the same time I think that a discussion about Brokers without mention any name has nothing bad in it.

Thanks
  • #6
  • Jun 11, 2006 12:29pm Jun 11, 2006 12:29pm
Quoting smjones
Trucco,

I can see your point. I have some questions for clarification.

Suppose I am new to the Forum and I started a thread like this?
Suppose your name was Steve,

"Steve is a thief and let me tell you my story."
Then I go on to tell a story with absolutely no evedence except for the testimony of some other people who are also new.
Then several other people post their stories of someone else being a thief, again with no proof. Do you feel that justice was served and you were treated fairly? I of course do not. I think someone should be presumed innocent until the evidence proves otherwise, or ar least a preponderance of evidence.

There is a thread here where a member did show clear and compelling evidence of price manipulation in a data feed. I do not think anyone spoke of shutting that down. It was justified by the evidence.

This Forum should never be used as a method for collection of alleged debt or for insulting or disparaging another person or institution's reputation. I do not feel that is what open minded is... That is not responsible.

It would not do just to not reply to the offending thread. something like this statement above just cannot stand without some backing..

There are certain inflammatory statments that cannot stand.

I have read your other posts, so I say this with respect and admiration, Scott

Sorry Scott, It wasn't even you string
I confused a nickname.
Apologise for apogising before
  • #7
  • Jun 11, 2006 12:53pm Jun 11, 2006 12:53pm
Trucco, I think you bring up a valid point and there is no need to apologize... this discussion should continue... IMO Scott

Quoting trucco
Sorry Scott, It wasn't even you string
I confused a nickname.
Apologise for apogising before
  • #8
  • Jun 11, 2006 1:02pm Jun 11, 2006 1:02pm
I like Trucco, he seems a nice guy to me.
  • #9
  • Jun 11, 2006 1:30pm Jun 11, 2006 1:30pm
Quoting Purple
I like Trucco, he seems a nice guy to me.
Thanks man
  • #10
  • Jun 11, 2006 2:14pm Jun 11, 2006 2:14pm
I can see your point Trucco and understand. Every thread should be respected IF, and only if, the thread itself is repectable.

The main problem I have with the broker slamming and the stop hunting paranoia, is that you can start to breed that same paranoia into new traders who are now convinced that a huge conspiracy is taking place in the forex trading market.

Who in their right ming would ever trade under that type of pressure? and would you really think you could be really successful as long as you thought of all brokers, or the majority, as a personal enemy?

For every single person who comes onto a forum and says,"they are shisters!", "they steal", "they stop-hunt!", you can find at least 10 other successful traders with the same broker who would disagree. Unfortunately, or maybe it is most fortunate, that most chose not to engage in silly arguements, so they don't respond.
Capital Preservation is key to long term wealth accumulation
  • #11
  • Jun 11, 2006 2:44pm Jun 11, 2006 2:44pm
As always Mudd, you are one wise dude... Scott



Quoting MuddBuddha
I can see your point Trucco and understand. Every thread should be respected IF, and only if, the thread itself is repectable.

The main problem I have with the broker slamming and the stop hunting paranoia, is that you can start to breed that same paranoia into new traders who are now convinced that a huge conspiracy is taking place in the forex trading market.

Who in their right ming would ever trade under that type of pressure? and would you really think you could be really successful as long as you thought of all brokers, or the majority, as a personal enemy?

For every single person who comes onto a forum and says,"they are shisters!", "they steal", "they stop-hunt!", you can find at least 10 other successful traders with the same broker who would disagree. Unfortunately, or maybe it is most fortunate, that most chose not to engage in silly arguements, so they don't respond.
  • #12
  • Jun 11, 2006 4:25pm Jun 11, 2006 4:25pm
Quoting MuddBuddha
I can see your point Trucco and understand. Every thread should be respected IF, and only if, the thread itself is repectable.

The main problem I have with the broker slamming and the stop hunting paranoia, is that you can start to breed that same paranoia into new traders who are now convinced that a huge conspiracy is taking place in the forex trading market.

Who in their right ming would ever trade under that type of pressure? and would you really think you could be really successful as long as you thought of all brokers, or the majority, as a personal enemy?

For every single person who comes onto a forum and says,"they are shisters!", "they steal", "they stop-hunt!", you can find at least 10 other successful traders with the same broker who would disagree. Unfortunately, or maybe it is most fortunate, that most chose not to engage in silly arguements, so they don't respond.

Hi MuddBuddha,

Thanks for replay.

For me, even If you are a successful trader you can always and still have the idea that some brokers are there not to make you a favour, but to profit from the forex market, like us, whatever is the way they will have to use to get their goal, same as all of us.

For me the equation looser trader = trader blaming brokers is not true

Im profiting from forex, but I thought it was a good idea to let who has problems with their brokers to talk about this (without accusing ofcourse..)

I saw a massive move against these threads, and I wanted to talk about this.

And I dont agree, like I said in an other threads, that being aware of who are and what some brokers might or might not do, is not usuful to all of us. This doens't mean you have to consider them your enemys.
But know some behaviours and be able to get known from other traders about their experience is for me something not negative, IF MADE IN A RESPECTFUL PROVEN WAY...

Thanks
  • #13
  • Jun 11, 2006 4:30pm Jun 11, 2006 4:30pm
Quoting MuddBuddha
I can see your point Trucco and understand. Every thread should be respected IF, and only if, the thread itself is repectable.

The main problem I have with the broker slamming and the stop hunting paranoia, is that you can start to breed that same paranoia into new traders who are now convinced that a huge conspiracy is taking place in the forex trading market.

Who in their right ming would ever trade under that type of pressure? and would you really think you could be really successful as long as you thought of all brokers, or the majority, as a personal enemy?

For every single person who comes onto a forum and says,"they are shisters!", "they steal", "they stop-hunt!", you can find at least 10 other successful traders with the same broker who would disagree. Unfortunately, or maybe it is most fortunate, that most chose not to engage in silly arguements, so they don't respond.
And beside this I believe that to trade you must be a mature person, so if you are a starer trader and a thread blaming Brokers is able to let you fall into paranoia, then i would see this as a ' mature traders selection'
  • #14
  • Jun 11, 2006 4:40pm Jun 11, 2006 4:40pm
Quoting trucco
And beside this I believe that to trade you must be a mature person, so if you are a starer trader and a thread blaming Brokers is able to let you fall into paranoia, then i would see this as a ' mature traders selection'

Agreed.
Capital Preservation is key to long term wealth accumulation
  • #15
  • Jun 11, 2006 5:01pm Jun 11, 2006 5:01pm
Quoting MuddBuddha
Agreed.
I appreciate this

Last consideration: Personally I stared to profit from the moment I found out from one of FF threads that probably any broker is really landing any money to you during the trades. When I saw this I said to myself :What ? so the broker asks me overnight interest for money which never borrowed me ?! and when I loose probably they also bank my losses ?..no way, I don't let them even 1 $ cent ...
This was the trigger to start a very planned tactic and now I profit and Im happy, if this is the case, to dont give them a cent..., a part the agreed spread
  • #16
  • Jun 24, 2006 4:32am Jun 24, 2006 4:32am
Quoting trucco
Personally I stared to profit from the moment I found out from one of FF threads that probably any broker is really landing any money to you during the trades. When I saw this I said to myself :What ? so the broker asks me overnight interest for money which never borrowed me ?! and when I loose probably they also bank my losses ?..no way, I don't let them even 1 $ cent ...
This was the trigger to start a very planned tactic
Ciao Trucco!
So, did you start to profit from forex's markets with those emotions?
Fighting your broker?
  • #17
  • Jun 24, 2006 5:09am Jun 24, 2006 5:09am
[quote=Croesus]Ciao Trucco!
So, did you start to profit from forex's markets with those emotions?
Fighting your broker? /QUOTE]

Hi,

Not really. This was a joke
I like my broker, I never had problems.
i started to profit when I started to treat trading a bit more like a game, like a challenge, so, not with emotions, but without emotions...
its a game. make your strategy, know what is your goal, know with whom you are playing with, which can be yourself, the broker, the other traders, the bank, the mrket, whoever you want and just play!
why, sounds strange ?
trading with emotions is not a good job, trading like a game is much better
i work also, otherwise i couldnt treat it like a game
Ciao
  • #18
  • Last Post: Jun 24, 2006 5:58am Jun 24, 2006 5:58am
Quoting trucco
Not really. This was a joke
I like my broker, I never had problems.
i started to profit when I started to treat trading a bit more like a game, like a challenge, so, not with emotions, but without emotions.......trading with emotions is not a good job, trading like a game is much better
i work also, otherwise i couldnt treat it like a game
Ciao
Yes, I was joking too!
I know very well what emotions means in trading!
Personally, I've mastered all types of emotions, now trading is almost humdrum, just collecting "points"...

Who knows, see you randomly in Milan!
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