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  • #61
  • Mar 5, 2013 1:28am Mar 5, 2013 1:28am
Quoting domingo
oh, really??..thats great news..
did you get the chance to see what's his signal name?
www.zulutrade.com/trader/131112
  • #62
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:43am Mar 5, 2013 11:43am
Quoting findcount
Mr Jankovsky...............i've just a few questions...............since you've just started the mirror-trade program, how long do you intend to continue ?

also, you can take a look at Oanda FXManager too.............it's similar to mirror-trading except both manager and clients need to have accounts with Oanda.....................the manager will take a cut of the profits, you may find people that are interested since the clients don't have to switch brokers and i'm sure many have accounts with Oanda.
Hi, I spoke with Jason this morning and because he's focused on trading today he asked me to answer on his behalf.

Jason intends to continue mirror trading indefinitely and, given that he's in the top 5% of Zulu Strategy Providers after after only three months, he has no plans to stop doing it.

Regarding, Oanda -- I myself have heard of that. But I'm glad you mentioned it. Depending on how it's set up we might be interested in doing.
  • #63
  • Mar 6, 2013 5:22am Mar 6, 2013 5:22am
Quoting MirrorTrader
Hi, I spoke with Jason this morning and because he's focused on trading today he asked me to answer on his behalf.

Jason intends to continue mirror trading indefinitely and, given that he's in the top 5% of Zulu Strategy Providers after after only three months, he has no plans to stop doing it.

Regarding, Oanda -- I myself have heard of that. But I'm glad you mentioned it. Depending on how it's set up we might be interested in doing.

from Zulutrade, i can't find what is the profit % since he started like 5 months ago ?

so what's the profit % since day 1 ?
  • #64
  • Mar 6, 2013 8:46am Mar 6, 2013 8:46am
his profit since inception is 2,020 pips, if this is what you are asking exactly about....
should you wish to get a better figure against your equity backtest it.
  • #65
  • Edited 9:06am Mar 6, 2013 8:49am | Edited 9:06am
Quoting findcount
from Zulutrade, i can't find what is the profit % since he started like 5 months ago ?

so what's the profit % since day 1 ?
His first trading activity was in December. So he's been doing this for about 3 months. Here's the stats I have:

http://currenstream.com/wp-content/u...s-3-6-2013.gif

Something to keep in mind is that traders generally calculate % profit by using how much money they had when they started trading and the amount of money they have now. The net gain is then divided by the opening balance.

As you know Jason trades with a real money account. Zulu does not disclose (and they shouldn't) how much money is in Jason's account. So from what I can see, you're not going to get the %profit through the usual method.

If you want figure this out hypothetically, you might start with an arbitrary opening balance and then determine "what if" using different assumptions about position sizes, and other trading parameters.
  • #66
  • Mar 6, 2013 11:40pm Mar 6, 2013 11:40pm
so is anyone here involved with the program and can provide a profit % figure ?
  • #67
  • Mar 10, 2013 11:23pm Mar 10, 2013 11:23pm
Quoting MirrorTrader
Hi, I spoke with Jason this morning and because he's focused on trading today he asked me to answer on his behalf.

Jason intends to continue mirror trading indefinitely and, given that he's in the top 5% of Zulu Strategy Providers after after only three months, he has no plans to stop doing it.

Where did you get that number from?..

The guy shows up as

Zulu Rank: 2027 for me...

oh and It does NOT Show up the PROFIT in PIPS for me... Very strange.

It looks like ZULU TRADE shows different things, for every trader, depending on the IP you connect from.

If you connect from USA, it will show a WARNING Message that most profits are from DEMO, while if you connect from Brazil, it will show that Trader1 made 100,000 dollars following Signal Provider X... And so on...

And if you connect from USA, it will not show the following WIDGET (along with many other things that do NOT show up):

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Very strange... VERY VERY Strange if you ask me.

At least for me, that kind of things are BIG WARNING SIGNS. Unless someone from ZuluTrade jumps into this thread and clears things up... I dont like that kind of things, unless it has some logical explanation.
The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
  • #68
  • Mar 11, 2013 1:32am Mar 11, 2013 1:32am
Quoting MapleLeaf
Where did you get that number from?..

The guy shows up as

Zulu Rank: 2027 for me...

oh and It does NOT Show up the PROFIT in PIPS for me... Very strange.

It looks like ZULU TRADE shows different things, for every trader, depending on the IP you connect from.

If you connect from USA, it will show a WARNING Message that most profits are from DEMO, while if you connect from Brazil, it will show that Trader1 made 100,000 dollars following Signal Provider X... And so on...

And if you connect from USA, it will not show the...


last week profits (pips) were shown to be just over 2,000................right now, it's showing 1,276 pips..........

there was one follower that was shown to have made over $9,000 last week..............but his profits is now shown as over $1000............
  • #69
  • Mar 11, 2013 8:55am Mar 11, 2013 8:55am
Rankings and performance numbers are constantly fluctuating based on every traders' performance. That can happen from one day to the next. I'll definitely remind people of that next I post numbers.

The important that people must focus is the big picture, asking questions like these:

 

  1. Are profit and the equity curve trending higher?
  2. Does the strategy provider apply sound money management principles?
  3. Is the strategy provider taking the same risk (with real money) that they're asking followers to take?

  • #70
  • Mar 11, 2013 3:30pm Mar 11, 2013 3:30pm
Quoting MirrorTrader
Rankings and performance numbers are constantly fluctuating based on every traders' performance. That can happen from one day to the next. I'll definitely remind people of that next I post numbers.

The important that people must focus is the big picture, asking questions like these:

 

  1. Are profit and the equity curve trending higher?
  2. Does the strategy provider apply sound money management principles?
  3. Is the strategy provider taking the same risk (with real money) that they're asking followers to take?


The Majority of SIGNAL Providers in ZULU TRADE, are trading from DEMO Accounts... That's really tricky. They can do whatever they want, because its not their money, and they are trading from a DEMO Account... If they FAIL, they come back with another name to clean their reputation and gain clients again...

In fact the whole ZULU TRADE platform is quite tricky.

They show different things for different people.

For example for US Based Traders, they won't show up the PROFIT Widget and they will show a WARNING MESSAGE Saying that most numbers there are from DEMO.

For most other countries, they will show the Profit Widget and will NOT show the warning message, like they are trying to take advantage of that people to ATTRACT their wallets and make money with them.

I really don't like that, that's not honest at all.

They SHOULD ASK every single signal provider to trade from a live account and NOT from a DEMO account...

Even the TOP Signal Providers there, trade from a DEMO Account, for example, kamaspot, duanxian, forexanomaly, etc...
The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
  • #71
  • Mar 11, 2013 3:44pm Mar 11, 2013 3:44pm
Quoting MapleLeaf
The Majority of SIGNAL Providers in ZULU TRADE, are trading from DEMO Accounts... That's really tricky. They can do whatever they want, because its not their money, and they are trading from a DEMO Account... If they FAIL, they come back with another name to clean their reputation and gain clients again...

In fact the whole ZULU TRADE platform is quite tricky.

They show different things for different people.

For example for US Based Traders, they won't show up the PROFIT Widget and they will show a WARNING MESSAGE Saying that most numbers...
I couldn't agree more. The use of a demo account is comparable to what was happening a few years ago with the glut of $97 Expert Advisors (EAs). People were selling EAs with amazing looking track records. But one had to wonder, if they were so great, why weren't those vendors paying more attention to trading them themselves rather than selling them?

If you bought them, you probably know the painful answer. They are doomed either because of over optimization or the use of martingale type algorithms. In other case, the EAs inevitably blow up.

To me, mirror trading with someone who can't prove they're trading with a real money account is no better than buy EA from some for whom there's no proof that the seller is actually seriously trading with it himself. If someone is asking to take a risk that they're not willing to take themselves, what does that say about their confidence in their own system?
  • #72
  • Mar 15, 2013 10:20am Mar 15, 2013 10:20am
UPDATE as of 3/15/2013

Here's a new update, as of 3/15/2013, on the performance of Jason Jankovsky's live real money account on Zulu. He currently has open positions with nearly 300 pips locked in. Once he is out of those positions, it will be reflected in the chart below. If you are interested in copying Jason's trades as they are executed, click here to register.

http://currenstream.com/wp-content/u.../3-15-2013.gif

***SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT***

Do you have a question for Jason Jankovsky?

Would you like to hear his thoughts on the markets and his trading every week?

If so, you are invited to attend his free weekly performance wrap-up and summary of his personal trading results. Jason will show you his exact trades in each of the top five major FOREX pairs he trades; you will see in REAL-TIME exactly why he does certain trades.

There were be a Q&A session in which you can ask Jason directly.

The webinar starts every Friday afternoon at 4:15 PM EASTERN US time (-5 GMT). No password is required and your sign in link is valid for the entire year of 2013; come every week!

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER
  • #73
  • Mar 15, 2013 10:44am Mar 15, 2013 10:44am
Hi Guys;

Again--people posting here can't see the forest for the trees...

Look--this business isn't for everyone. If you can't take the risk of trading--then you shouldn't be doing this. Endlessly comparing track records and how they are calculated vs. what should be done and what one broker is doing better as well as why the numbers aren't accurate BLAH BLAH BLAH is pointless.

Do you understand that EVERY TRADER has drawdowns?---JESUS CHRIST WOULD HAVE FREAKIN' DRAWDOWNS....THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY TO TRADE AND YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT....

YOU (and by YOU I mean ANYONE with less than $250,000 to trade with) are NEVER going to have access to professional traders who know what they are doing. You have one of two choices...EITHER you find someone willing to assist you in some fashion (like me) or do it on your own and stop wasting time with all this blathering about "who's better at what and why" THAT MEANS...you take the mirror program (as it is and it is NEVER going to be "perfect")--or you hire someonoe (like me) to teach you what they know.

That's it---all this BLAH BLAH BLAH is making my head spin....just open the account with ZULU (or wait until we have a better program) or go do it yourself. Stop posting here about "what you think" when it is quite clear you are niether a mirror customer or an education customer. You are not making me any money and I am not making you any money---so why are you people posting here?

BTW---to the person who posted about "I saw someone up $9,000 and now he is only up $1,000 so this Jason guy must not know what he is doing" or some such crap...let me set your sorry butt straight. First of all--that particular guy is someone I talk to all the time. He took my Psych course and is making more money on his own NOW than you will ever see. Also--he opened the mirror program because he couldn't afford to hire me for my usual 30% incentive fee for private managed accounts....LAST--he WITHDREW PROFITS (which you are supposed to do from time to time); he was with us from the begining and he DIDN"T WASTE TIIME bitching about drawdowns or strategies....So his account balance is changing according to his particular needs--not according to the uninformed point of view of someone who shouldn't be doing this in the first place and has nothing better to do than find fault with something he isn't qualified to do for himself....

Will you people just stop already? Either sign up and discuss how to sign up and how best to get the most after you sign up....or go do it yourself.....anything else just slows down the process of making more money for yourself......

JAJ
  • #74
  • Mar 19, 2013 8:45am Mar 19, 2013 8:45am
Hello there JAJ,

real pleasure to read a post of you...i know these type of psyudo- critisicm that prevail the forum spaces, come usually from competitors' trying to spam or un-educational traders that know-it all and make 1M usd out of 1000 usd account

anyhow, just wanted to congratulate you on the trading , i have gained many nice returns with you !!
Seriously consider you among the best traders - both professional and serious on zulutrade. Keep on doing the good work. Btw, is there a chance you thinking of sending your signals somewhere else, via other platform? or i might have misunderstood your comment.
  • #75
  • Mar 19, 2013 9:12am Mar 19, 2013 9:12am
Hi Domingo:

Thanks for the positive feedback--I know that a lot of stuff out there in forums is pure unadulterated garbage...but the typical trader doesn't know that until they lose their trading stake. I am really hoping to raise awareness for what I do that is different and why; but that message is usually lost on most people. It's always good to hear someone out there is getting it.

Within the next 3-4 weeks we'll be announcing another vendor for mirror trading--perhaps you would have an interest in what that guy is bringing to the table. You can always switch from ZULU to another provider as whatever I do will be the same everywhere. My tradiing is real trading (not some demo/paper-trading fantasy world) and all my trades will be posted identically everywhere we have a mirror relationship (aside from fees/spreads or slippage unique to whoever you are using).

I really hope that you continue your education more in the direction of "who is losing and why" rather than in the direction of more technical/fundamental analysis. Most people never really make the leap in understanding that if EVERYONE is using some sort of T/A--and most are losing--then T/A must have a problem somewhere and it can't help you win. Most average traders will actually get angry when you explain to them that the best people in this business--the real money makers--don't use T/A; at the very least they don't use it like they do. People really want to believe that you can "study your way" to a fortune. If that were true--the richest people would be computer analyists. Some of the wealthiest traders I know don't even own a computer....Of course--that is really only one of the issues that make dealing in forums like this so frustrating for me. The rest is the lack of real thinking most people bring to the table. I don't think public traders really accept easily that winning at trading is about thinking--not analysis. I am glad to hear that you are not in that group....

Thanks again--please come to my weekly perfromance wrap-up. You can get the link from my website to sign up. I discuss my weekly results (win/lose/draw) every Friday afternoon: www.TheLionOnline.com Hope you will join us.

JAJ
  • #76
  • Mar 19, 2013 9:47am Mar 19, 2013 9:47am
UPDATE as of 3/19/2013

Here's a new update, as of 3/19/2013, on the performance of Jason Jankovsky's live real money account on Zulu. Open positions from the past few days are closed and Jason now is up 1669 pips since starting at 3 1/2 months ago. If you are interested in copying Jason's trades as they are executed, click here to register.

http://currenstream.com/wp-content/u.../3-19-2013.gif

***SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT***

Do you have a question for Jason Jankovsky?

Would you like to hear his thoughts on the markets and his trading every week?

If so, you are invited to attend his free weekly performance wrap-up and summary of his personal trading results. Jason will show you his exact trades in each of the top five major FOREX pairs he trades; you will see in REAL-TIME exactly why he does certain trades.

There were be a Q&A session in which you can ask Jason directly.

The webinar starts every Friday afternoon at 4:15 PM EASTERN US time (-5 GMT). No password is required and your sign in link is valid for the entire year of 2013; come every week!

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER
  • #77
  • Mar 20, 2013 10:00am Mar 20, 2013 10:00am
So, this seminar is every friday, right? We can address our trading questions towards him there?
  • #78
  • Mar 20, 2013 10:01am Mar 20, 2013 10:01am
Quoting domingo
So, this seminar is every friday, right? We can address our trading questions towards him there?
Yes. I will be there too.

Thanks!
  • #79
  • May 15, 2013 8:26am May 15, 2013 8:26am
thank you for the answer! i will try to make it this friday! really i want to ask him a question upon his zulutrade trade...long time i was intending to do that
  • #80
  • Jun 3, 2013 6:59am Jun 3, 2013 6:59am
so, is Jason still trading or it all died out?
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