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  • #301
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:12am Mar 5, 2013 10:12am
Quoting mpc
I was fine staying in my own thread. You ventured over and started a war. We shall wait and see TPOtrader. You mentioned that you were done with our thread, and so I made it official.
Why can't we all just get along?
  • #302
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:25am Mar 5, 2013 10:25am
Quoting bumapatria

Another sheet from the same source as the previous... a trading simulator (MCS as its "formula/base) using TPOt's accuracy and a payoff R of "1" you do see "grind periods". just for a note. + If you compare it to a chart of a market instrument with an equity curve; it could just be a "pullback-period" prior to a continuation in trend (which is at the moment looking "up")
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Best for March for everyone.
that is very similar to what i got backtesting this system. My longest grind was little over 4 months! who in their right mind would grind for that long..i just hope that i'm prepared for it.

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  • #303
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:28am Mar 5, 2013 10:28am
Quoting TheMaxx
Why can't we all just get along?
cause it's more fun when there is conflict. i got into trading so i can pick fights with other traders...
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  • #304
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:37am Mar 5, 2013 10:37am
Quoting TheMaxx
Why can't we all just get along?
I'm thinking of creating a new thread titled: "MPC vs TPOTrader" or something to that effect, with a running poll for visitors to vote. That way each protagonist cannot ban the other from posting on own thread. While we are at it, I'm also thinking of adding a third signal provider into the poll, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/priv...-trader/487685. This vendor charged $250/mth for subscription.
No longer trading forex. Looking for full time job.
  • #305
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:44am Mar 5, 2013 10:44am
Quoting bumapatria
It's only been the first week of the month really (if you exclude the 1st last friday); markets are choppy and ranging; normal prior to events like the NFP; and taking a look at his results on months like December '12 being a powerfully positive one; respect where it's due; man I got my ass whooped in December.
You're a signal provider and vendor too, so do you have a Myfxbook link that we can refer to as 3rd party verified track record?
No longer trading forex. Looking for full time job.
  • #306
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:53am Mar 5, 2013 10:53am
May the best system win. I will be comparing results in June 2013 and posting.

In the short term, anything can happen. It is all about winning the race over time, long term sustainability.

I am confident TPOtrader's system will ultimately meet doom, but am looking for him to prove otherwise over the LONG HAUL.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #307
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:55am Mar 5, 2013 10:55am
Quoting mmaker
I'm thinking of creating a new thread titled: "MPC vs TPOTrader" or something to that effect, with a running poll for visitors to vote. That way each protagonist cannot ban the other from posting on own thread. While we are at it, I'm also thinking of adding a third signal provider into the poll, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/priv...-trader/487685. This vendor charged $250/mth for subscription....
mmaker I really like your idea. Do it.

Wowzer, that 3rd signal provider took a large hit today.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #308
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:58am Mar 5, 2013 10:58am
Quoting mpc
May the best system win. I will be comparing results in June 2013 and posting.

In the short term, anything can happen. It is all about winning the race over time, long term sustainability.

I am confident TPOtrader's system will ultimately meet doom, but am looking for him to prove otherwise over the LONG HAUL.

MPC
I've been blocked by MPC from posting in his thread!!! I guess some people can handle any criticism.
  • #309
  • Mar 5, 2013 10:59am Mar 5, 2013 10:59am
Quoting TPOTrader
that is very similar to what i got backtesting this system. My longest grind was little over 4 months! who in their right mind would grind for that long..i just hope that i'm prepared for it.

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Whatever helps you and your subscribers to sleep better at night...

Considering you are a discretionary trader, and being a one man shop, hopefully you have the emotional intelligence and fortitude to withstand a 4 month grind.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #310
  • Edited 11:18am Mar 5, 2013 11:01am | Edited 11:18am
Quoting mmaker
You're a signal provider and vendor too, so do you have a Myfxbook link that we can refer to as 3rd party verified track record?

I've been contemplating this again and again. I posted a video blog recently (last week i think; you probably don't want to hear me rant for 20 minutes but in the event you do... check the blog for the post) on how I might shut Ouranos down for trade calls and transform it into a personal blog for my endeavors incorporating other things like travel that trading has enabled me to do; and actual valuable helpful content (inspirationals, motivationals, full time trader interviews, cognition/mental mindset related conditioning) in around June. free basically. No paid stuff. It's either THAT or I expand into things like trade copiers (which I've had demand asking for from a lot of traders) in the same time period. never really was passionate about the idea.

Speaking of interviews; the one I did with Johannes (sorry for the sound quality; next one's coming up better this month with Petar I promise); I had a traffic spike on my website. That shows how much interest there actually is in people to see how others have succeeded; to be inspired and motivated that it is well... doable...

I mean it makes me think. I learnt "this" thus far not really through someone else's trade calls to trade independently thus far; I had some great traders to watch around; help me in an indirect non-spoonfeeding way; great nuggets to pick up on pretty much everything from risk management all the way to the downright basics; back in '11 in FF and previous years... THAT is what i look to create. soemthing like that. ...

and that kind of stuff is missing now from the forum activity which is sad. Basically to provide actual value. Others might not share quite a perspective if they were in my 'shoes'. Therefore I'm thinking it through. Deeply.

Not to mention; scrutiny. TPOT goes in a little grind and he's in a little flare already for publicized results. Hats off big time to such a feat. Respect to the bravery to have over 4+ 3rd party result trackers.


I'm on a sort of hiatus as well in the service. Capping the subscriber max to low numbers due to a project for myself for June itself. I will be updating on what it is (surprise -wink x2 - ) Usually its @ 10 max now its at about 3-4.

If i'm ever publicizing a TE or Myfxbook its in June. That'll also mark the one year anniversary of Ouranos; you'd have an ample view of what its capabilities are in terms of P/L. Then again I'm looking forward for the "transformation".

So yeah I'm not in. Not interested in publicity or competitions.If i'm ever looking for publicity it's my live calls that i give from time to time. It's on the website; my thread all over. losses and profits of freely publicly given trade calls. FX, stock calls, wheat (oh wheat loved that babe of a market)...

anyways...
I like staying in the down low.
Too much interaction in today's forums and "publicity" seem to be more detrimental than positive. (to me at least)

In short; there seems to exist a larger purpose of " Ouranos " and myself in my own personal trading venture and other things about in my life.

In all sincerity best of luck to TPOT and MPC.
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #311
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:03am Mar 5, 2013 11:03am
TheMAXX,

You are more than welcome to post in the new thread comparing systems in real time that will potentially be created by mmaker.

Your lack of knowledge regarding system review was disrupting the thread.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #312
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:09am Mar 5, 2013 11:09am
Quoting mpc
TheMAXX,

You are more than welcome to post in the new thread comparing systems in real time that will potentially be created by mmaker.

Your lack of knowledge regarding system review was disrupting the thread.

MPC
It's all good champ. I'm actually impressed that you can find suckers to pay you $100 per month to follow your trades - while I'm stuck slaving away for the man at a desk all day. Hats off to you - you're a lot smarter than I am.
  • #313
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:12am Mar 5, 2013 11:12am
Quoting TheMaxx
It's all good champ. I'm actually impressed that you can find suckers to pay you $100 per month to follow your trades - while I'm stuck slaving away for the man at a desk all day. Hats off to you - you're a lot smarter than I am.
We shall see who the sucker is come June 2013... You and TPO picking up the pieces while we continue to move forward as we always have and will.

I don't appreciate you and TPO calling our subscribers various things:

You "suckers"
TPO called them "stupid" on our thread

We will sit back and let the numbers play out and put you in your places. Again, may the best system win...

We better let TPO get back to handling his drawdown. He had all the time in the world to post on other Commercial threads to talk trash (our thread) and it cost him 5 additional percent in drawdown today.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #314
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:15am Mar 5, 2013 11:15am
Quoting mpc
We shall see who the sucker is come June 2013... You and TPO picking up the pieces while we continue to move forward as we always have and will.

MPC
Wow, can't take criticism, can't take a compliment.
  • #315
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:24am Mar 5, 2013 11:24am
Quoting mpc
I don't appreciate you and TPO calling our subscribers various things:

You "suckers"
TPO called them "stupid" on our thread
My bad - do you think of them as "stooges" or "marks"?
  • #316
  • Mar 5, 2013 11:51am Mar 5, 2013 11:51am
Quoting mpc
We shall see who the sucker is come June 2013... You and TPO picking up the pieces while we continue to move forward as we always have and will.

I don't appreciate you and TPO calling our subscribers various things:

You "suckers"
TPO called them "stupid" on our thread

We will sit back and let the numbers play out and put you in your places. Again, may the best system win...

We better let TPO get back to handling his drawdown. He had all the time in the world to post on other Commercial threads to talk trash (our thread) and it cost...
you completely taken my comment out of context. I was referring to you thinking them as stupid cause they can't make simple calculation that you have to send out survey? i said people are smarter than you think and so on...geez read the damn thing again.

you ever consider a career in politics? cause you're very good at twisting people's words.
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  • #317
  • Mar 5, 2013 2:25pm Mar 5, 2013 2:25pm
Quoting TPOTrader
you completely taken my comment out of context. I was referring to you thinking them as stupid cause they can't make simple calculation that you have to send out survey? i said people are smarter than you think and so on...geez read the damn thing again.
TPOtrader,

We value the opinion of our MPC subscribers, and when we do a new implementation, we humbly solicit Subscriber's feedback. We are not in the belief that we can read everyone's mind. In the survey 95% responded with the request to use the $1,000 account as a model account when provided the four choices of:
1) 1k
2) 5k
3) 50k
4) Greater than 50k

TPO back to trading, you have a drawdown to deal with... Ok now the competition is getting fun.

MPC
See our myfbook results. Our username = MPC
  • #318
  • Edited 3:05pm Mar 5, 2013 2:46pm | Edited 3:05pm
Quoting mpc
TPOtrader,

We value the opinion of our MPC subscribers, and when we do a new implementation, we humbly solicit Subscriber's feedback. We are not in the belief that we can read everyone's mind. In the survey 95% responded with the request to use the $1,000 account as a model account when provided the four choices of:
1) 1k
2) 5k
3) 50k
4) Greater than 50k

TPO back to trading, you have a drawdown to deal with... Ok now the competition is getting fun.

MPC
what an unfair competition. Don't think that psychology donesn't play a factor. I'm trading with over $20k and you trade with $1k. Sure we can talk about "just follow the system" all day long..but at the end of the day, it's about the trader's mindset as well. I don't think you can begin to compare what i go through psychologically compared to what you go through trading with captial that is about 20x smaller.

Your losses are equivalent to a cost of a meal..my losses can pay for mortgage.

So if we want a compettion, either come up on your deposits. Otherwise. there is no competition. Just you fantasizing in forexland.

I hate it when i have to compete with scrubs...
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  • #319
  • Edited 3:19pm Mar 5, 2013 3:00pm | Edited 3:19pm
Quoting mpc
TPOtrader,

We value the opinion of our MPC subscribers, and when we do a new implementation, we humbly solicit Subscriber's feedback. We are not in the belief that we can read everyone's mind. In the survey 95% responded with the request to use the $1,000 account as a model account when provided the four choices of:
1) 1k
2) 5k
3) 50k
4) Greater than 50k

TPO back to trading, you have a drawdown to deal with... Ok now the competition is getting fun.

MPC
A MODEL account is supposed to be a simulation of what the account would be like after costs. I don't get how a $1000 account makes sense as a model account. If your cheapest plan is about $100/month that would mean your clients would LOSE money or come up breakeven if you double their account in that year.

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TPOtrader,

Thank you for the clarification.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you in the fact that $1000 is not an appropriate amount to be used when subscribing to MPC, and again this was the reason for the "model account." Again this was a survey conducted with our members, so your point being proven is irrelevant as we did not decide the dollar amount.

Clients want to see that you have your personal stake in this. THisi is why i trade with a significant portion of my savings. Clients want to see how they would fare with the cost of subscription, so it would make sense for you to use a larger model account. You telling me clients wants to see an account model that would end up breakeven or losing even after 100% gain for the year after paying your subscription costs????

Survey my ass....you got holes in your story boy!
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  • #320
  • Mar 5, 2013 3:04pm Mar 5, 2013 3:04pm
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i usually use epic music prior to news trading... but since things are escalating here.... to set the ambiance... play some of this...
sure sounds worthy of epic music.
(best tracks handpicked for the occassion!)
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Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
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