Is this the reason why you don't want to share your Holy Grail?

Yeah, fluctuation is stablest thing on Forex!

Where is the trading holy grail on Trading Search Engine? Apparently it was revealed on Forex Factory on December 19, 2009. All you had to do was search!

Not too far off, Hanover. This site says in 2009 the retail slice of the pie rose to 12%. While not huge (or miniscule) some papers make the point that this volume tends to be non-predictive, essentially random (Carol Osler). Osler's research indicates that the current percentage traded by retail is about 10%.


Those are good observations. It's sort of like the kiddies (retail) playing poker at the kiddie table when the important stuff is happening between the banks, determining the prices the kiddies will pay and who wins and loses. I suppose the reason to use retail sentiment is to get a contrary view on where the majority of retail traders are getting mucked up.

I actually think I've found the grail recently finally comes to mind, find out over the next few weeks, the real bitch is it's so simple and I've been so damn near to it for so long, but hey!!

It's not about high win % rate, which forces you to worriedly close out trade for smaller profit than possible, it's about low say 50% +/- 5% win rate, tiny SL, and this is the key part awesome R:R!!

Start generating live results soon!!

..and you can see it even in sideway markets, it is like calm before storm.
Price moves in waves in every timeframe.
There 2 other stable things in forex what I know.

Happy hunting after Holy Grail.

I get private messages asking questions like " Is it important to do XXX and XXX? " and I try to remember how much work I put in to learning those facts and whether they are useful facts to someone else. I then think why should I spend an hour or two explaining all this to you when I could share it with so many people. I don't even know you.

So, in the spirit of sharing, I sometimes I read the Trading System forum and although few of the systems have any interest for me, because most are nonsensical and an insult to intelligence on earth, I see how people are squabbling over minor things, and trying to prove they have a better way, adding and changing and making EA's and indicators to do stuff which is too obvious for words. The egos are huge and ugly and some of the threads which have names like the latest type of soap powder are laughable and clearly put there to attract silly little fishes with money. I have tried to take on a few of these scammers and the stress is not worth it.

I have probabaly posted a few hundred replies in the Rookie section. I rarely get an acknowledgement. I have no intention of sharing my trading strategies by starting a thread. Most of my learning has come from traders who wouldn't spend time in a site like this. I don't blame them.

Who ever finds Holy Grail probably lost a lot of money in process of learning and invested years of stress, sweet, and blood. Of course later they don't want to share it with total strangers on the internet for free.

I'll tell you the reason. It's because some fecker repackages information you tell them in private and sells it on, like the king size douchebags that they are because they are truly hopeless at trading, so try their hand at being a training monkey instead.

Luckily it wasn't anything too crucial but it taught me a valuable lesson - if you fight hard to figure something out, hints are OK. Telling someone outright isn't.

FTI has it about right.

This post is so right it's not even funny.

It's making me reconsider the whole reason why I'm here actually. I have some soul searching to do.

You have to acknowledge the very diverse background of people who are involved in forex. It is so easy to get in, practically anyone can open a free demo account, join a free forex forum, while absolutely blind about forex trading, and goes straight into vomiting ill informed opinions because they think they know best. And Forex also attract questionable people because it is relatively easy to "scam" people with promise of easy and more money with less or no effort. So I agree with you that there are many questionable input in this forum.

BUT, the reason generalization in any aspect in life is wrong is because there are always the contrarians, and you cannot categorize a very complex human being. There are real gems here that I have pleasure to get to know. There are quite a few genuine geniuses I would like to meet personally and become acquaintance with. They share things and help others to grow. To those I'm very thankful.

And of course on the topic of sharing, the decision is entirely yours whether you want to share something that you have worked so hard and so long for or not.

And coming back to the topic of Holy Grail, my belief is growing stronger and stronger as I research more into this. These are facts I found regarding the Forex Holy Grail. You may agree or disagree:

- Holy Grail is not accessible to regular retail trader. Every retail forex broker, even true ECN broker has a price filtering system that will not reflect the interbank quotes with 100% accuracy, hence the name "market maker." The best a retail trader can do is to create an EA that never has a losing month. Small losing trades maybe, but never a losing month. I would consider this enough to be called the holy grail.

- There are market inefficiencies that can be taken advantage of, but only for the few. Sharing such system will hurt everyone because the loophole will be closed as significant imbalance will be created. This will destroy the supply and demand mechanism. Let this be a warning to those who are tempted to buy a Holy Grail system from someone. It simply does not make any sense and has every incentive against human's nature of being self-centered and self-interested. Selling a Holy Grail system will hurt the seller and the buyer. Even if you sell it for a large sum of money, you would get much more than that by being silent and increasing your lot size. It is very very unlikely for someone to sell their Holy Grail. The most likely thing that they do is to sell the signal to a very very few people with deep pocket.

- Holy Grail is relatively simple in the concept, you simply follow the large order when it is made. You don't predict. When you predict you lose. You simply make the same trade the nanosecond the big trade is made. This is possible, but it is very hard to do.

Unless you're dedicating your life to find this Holy Grail, then I would suggest that you be grateful when you have your retail holy grail. It won't be as hard to find, the return won't be as big, the risk won't as low, but only greed that can motivate you to seek something better.

it doesn't exist, looking for one is actually your holy-grail. risk management is as close as you will get to a holy grail

Nicely said and just curious as to why there are so many threads on the same damn topic? Yeah, I know how important HG is to us but it's never going to happen. But for the past few weeks, more than one poster has gone to dogs trying to convince us about how HG exists/ Why their strategy is the HG/ Why they'll never make a loss and with a rinse and repeat edition..
SMH, so many threads on the same damn subject..bleah. If you have a HG, just share the damn thing and move on..

Since it seems I am the only one who can add some common sense to this thread:
the holy grail in trading is when you win 50% + 1% of your trades.

That wasn't complicated, wasnt it?

Here's some more common sense: There are many traders who are handsomely profitable with a win rate that's significantly less than 50%.

Do you know why?

Uh uh, I know this one. Its because their Risk to Reward ratio is better than 1:1 isn't it.

This is why the profit factor (ratio of total won to total lost) is a better measure than hit rate.

Yes, that's true.

I couldn't resist replying because the prior poster had said "I am the only one who can add some common sense to this thread" and then made a statement that's completely misleading. Ah well, I guess this is the Rookie forum.

I know, but to be fair the statement wasn't completely misleading, just that it was only valid for a 1:1 Risk to Reward ratio even though I suspect most people would understand the point being made.

On the issue of Holy Grail, when I started programing many years ago I came across a humorous observation on commenting code to the effect that "real programers" did not because it was hard to write and therefore should be hard to read. I suspect there may be an element of this in why people don't usually share their hard won methods.

Okey, here is one Holy Grail.

Take all EUR-pairs, maybe M5, and put some MA, maybe 34 or 50 or whatever, when everyone is under MA, euro is weak and trending down, and ViceVersa.

Great, the thread went off rails, got back on topic and yet, no one wants to share their holy grail. If you have one, do list it here and the only requirement, we would need to review the actual results and not something done on a demo.. thanks for sharing,

Many expert forex traders who are trading long time in forex trading have good trading strategy. Also there are some good EA exist which are showing 80-90% success. But it's not that holy grail is exist . Holy grail is impossible in forex trading . In forex market many factors effect the market. Market not move always technically as there are many political issue, economical issues, decision of policy makers and so many fundamental things. Market don't move fairly all time and sometime we see the uncertain movement of market. Sentiment of so many people are related with forex trading. So here holy frail is impossible. But I know soime traders are performing 100% success for long time in forex trading and I believe that it is not because holy grail but it is because they are experienced, disciplined and highly skilled in making analysis in forex trading.