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  • #33,041
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:34am Jan 30, 2013 10:34am
yes when compounded trader can buy iceland or finland after a year

Quoting barrett
compund interest, 100% for 52 weeks:
(1+100%)^52 = 2^52 = 4.5 x 10^15

guess this one is more appropriate
  • #33,042
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:35am Jan 30, 2013 10:35am
Quoting stevewalker
ok
My friend, I get your point, but there are examples.

Michael Markus made 2500x over 10 years for Commodities Corporation

Bruce Kovner made 87% a year in currency market over 10 years

Paul Tudor Jones made over 100% a year over 5 years

Ed Seykorta made 250,000% over 16 year period.

I get it, risk = reward. Equity curve up = equity curve down.

Just lucky? Black swans? Or eventually, just blow up?

Yes, it would be irresponsible to encourage people to take on risk necessary to make 50-60% but it can be done. Of course, I would not recommend it.
The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible..
  • #33,043
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:37am Jan 30, 2013 10:37am
Quoting budii
hi fibstalker

always love your chart that you posted

i notice that you were just joining in FF and posting about 123 post
but you already have 5 vouch
but i think you deserve those vouch

btw if you have chart for EJ i would love to see it, you don't have to post it here
Hi Budii, EJ I suppose is EUR/JPY. I don't follow it but I can analyze it for you. The only thing is that as we go into FOMC it could skew the view so, if you don't mind, I would do that this eve or tomorrow. Okay?

Cheers
G.

PS: it's a few years I trade for living
"markets traded by programs/HFT offer a significant trading edge..."
  • #33,044
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:38am Jan 30, 2013 10:38am
1st I mean average for long term
2nd we are 6 billion on earth you are talking 5 out of that

Quoting Mr. Scott
My friend, I get your point, but there are examples.

Michael Markus made 2500x over 10 years for Commodities Corporation

Bruce Kovner made 87% a year in currency market over 10 years

Paul Tudor Jones made over 100% a year over 5 years

Ed Seykorta made 250,000% over 16 year period.

I get it, risk = reward. Equity curve up = equity curve down.

Just lucky? Black swans? Or eventually, just blow up?

Yes, it would be irresponsible to encourage people to take on risk necessary to make 50-60% but it can be done. Of course, I would...
  • #33,045
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:39am Jan 30, 2013 10:39am
federer has won Grand Slam for 16 time my guess

Quoting stevewalker
1st I mean average for long term
2nd we are 6 billion on earth you are talking 5 out of that
  • #33,046
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:41am Jan 30, 2013 10:41am
steve you can't miss this one tonight , 20h00 REAL MADRID BARCELONA.

http://www.firstrow1.eu/ this site if you want to see stream
  • #33,047
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:43am Jan 30, 2013 10:43am
Quoting Mr. Scott
My friend, I get your point, but there are examples.

Michael Markus made 2500x over 10 years for Commodities Corporation

Bruce Kovner made 87% a year in currency market over 10 years

Paul Tudor Jones made over 100% a year over 5 years

Ed Seykorta made 250,000% over 16 year period.

I get it, risk = reward. Equity curve up = equity curve down.

Just lucky? Black swans? Or eventually, just blow up?

Yes, it would be irresponsible to encourage people to take on risk necessary to make 50-60% but it can be done. Of course, I would...
the issue here is we dont risk big money like they do
we maybe use only 1% of their money
how do you feel to trade with balance US$1.000.000 and US$100
we could make risk higher to make those $100 to become $200 in a month, but are willing to do that with $1.000.000 account ?
You see, but you do not observe. The distinction is clear
  • #33,048
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:44am Jan 30, 2013 10:44am
TY
but I dont watch fottball at all
not for me

Quoting Farrusco
steve you can't miss this one tonight , 20h00 REAL MADRID BARCELONA.

http://www.firstrow1.eu/ this site if you want to see stream
  • #33,049
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:45am Jan 30, 2013 10:45am
there is no difference between
$100
or
$1,000,000
every trader has its own depth

Quoting budii
the issue here is we dont risk big money like they do
we maybe use only 1% of their money
how do you feel to trade with balance US$1.000.000 and US$100
we could make risk higher to make those $100 to become $200 in a month, but are willing to do that with $1.000.000 account ?
  • #33,050
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:47am Jan 30, 2013 10:47am
Quoting fibstalker
Hi Budii, EJ I suppose is EUR/JPY. I don't follow it but I can analyze it for you. The only thing is that as we go into FOMC it could skew the view so, if you don't mind, I would do that this eve or tomorrow. Okay?

Cheers
G.

PS: it's a few years I trade for living
yes i mean EURJPY
i just trading those pair recently
i have found EURJPY thread in FF but that thread not quite active
you could post it there

and no need to rush, you can do that when you have the chance
You see, but you do not observe. The distinction is clear
  • #33,051
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:51am Jan 30, 2013 10:51am
Quoting stevewalker
there is no difference between
$100
or
$1,000,000
every trader has its own depth
for me it has big pressure to trade big account, just like thodie

Quoting thodie
to be honest i donīt use same risk on my bigger accounts (iīm not cool enough!!), i could not sleep or just leave the screen
the small ones are for high risks, and test of new systems...
You see, but you do not observe. The distinction is clear
  • #33,052
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:51am Jan 30, 2013 10:51am
today you made %50 good.
soon or late one day you will find same setup & trade exectly as today but this time MKT reverse with spike & until you exit you will loose %80 of account

believe it or not
  • #33,053
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:52am Jan 30, 2013 10:52am
Quoting barrett
compund interest, 100% for 52 weeks:
(1+100%)^52 = 2^52 = 4.5 x 10^15

guess this one is more appropriate
Albert Bartlett pointed out the difficulty people have in grasping the ramifications of exponential growth, stating: "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."
just do it
  • #33,054
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:53am Jan 30, 2013 10:53am
becouse you dont have that money
when you have it will be like $100

with daily %50 will not take so long

Quoting budii
for me it has big pressure to trade big account, just like thodie
  • #33,055
  • Jan 30, 2013 10:58am Jan 30, 2013 10:58am
the point is;
had coded & tested too many EA s & seen thousands of equity curves.
when trading is goin good acount grows. grows with logaritmic increase or you can say exponental

but when you loose..............
you loose from top with actual heavy size
it takes most of the profit sometimes gets in loss

if you dont belive, soon or late you will see


Quoting thodie
Albert Bartlett pointed out the difficulty people have in grasping the ramifications of exponential growth, stating: "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."
  • #33,056
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:00am Jan 30, 2013 11:00am
there will be always a "last wagon" @ train

Quoting stevewalker
the point is;
had coded & tested too many EA s & seen thousands of equity curves.
when trading is goin good acount grows. grows with logaritmic increase or you can say exponental

but when you loose..............
you loose from top with actual heavy size
it takes most of the profit sometimes gets in loss

if you dont belive, soon or late you will see
  • #33,057
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:01am Jan 30, 2013 11:01am
Quoting stevewalker
the point is;
had coded & tested too many EA s & seen thousands of equity curves.
when trading is goin good acount grows. grows with logaritmic increase or you can say exponental

but when you loose..............
you loose from top with actual heavy size
it takes most of the profit sometimes gets in loss

if you dont belive, soon or late you will see
totally agree.
just do it
  • #33,058
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:01am Jan 30, 2013 11:01am
Quoting stevewalker
becouse you dont have that money
when you have it will be like $100

with daily %50 will not take so long
amen for that

Quoting stevewalker
today you made %50 good.
soon or late one day you will find same setup & trade exectly as today but this time MKT reverse with spike & until you exit you will loose %80 of account

believe it or not
i believe you, that already happen to me in begining of this year
lost 90% of my account, and take a break for a while
with those 10% left, i already recover about 30% of it
You see, but you do not observe. The distinction is clear
  • #33,059
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:02am Jan 30, 2013 11:02am
MKT lock on FOMC
  • #33,060
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:05am Jan 30, 2013 11:05am
again from experiment result from EA tests
if any EA makes this mistake once ( means a epic loss ) it does it again & again with increasing frequency and blow account

here the difference
you are human
you can stop yourself trading with extra huge size and get in proper curve

Quoting budii
amen for that



i believe you, that already happen to me in begining of this year
lost 90% of my account, and take a break for a while
with those 10% left, i already recover about 30% of it
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