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  • #37,501
  • Dec 20, 2012 3:44am Dec 20, 2012 3:44am
bloody hell

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8BI00020121220

knew about the scandal. now this penalty seems legit. how they were able manipulate something very fundamental?? cheif any insight on how they set up libor rate??

regards

did someone notice that this thread reached 2501 page??
  • #37,502
  • Dec 20, 2012 4:10am Dec 20, 2012 4:10am
Quoting cuthbert
bloody hell

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8BI00020121220

knew about the scandal. now this penalty seems legit. how they were able manipulate something very fundamental?? cheif any insight on how they set up libor rate??

regards

did someone notice that this thread reached 2501 page??
any rates or prices can be manipulated , if not have a robust open market.
How, i don't know, you need read the investigators reports.
Is not proper to speculate.

But at least with precedence, its very good deterrent.
So as long as auditors and compliance and regulators are after the bad hat manipulation, then the markets are protected.

regards
  • #37,503
  • Edited 4:30am Dec 20, 2012 4:14am | Edited 4:30am
Quoting drzakir123
i suspected the same reasons for them doing it.
Even with 6 tenure charts and 3 kindgdom, sometimes i still get it wrong.

you know at the banks.
when we needed deal size.
we called out 8 banks of all zones, just trying fig out where the markets should be at.
and we trade only less than 1 % of banks net worth.

nowadays i see some peeps trade all their savings, and they depend on prices from less than 3 brokers which probably on same pool.
sometimes i wonder , with so much trade experience , why i always trading 10 pips away from markets.
anything...

regards

u mean if bank has 100,000 dollar then they are taking a position of about 1000 dollar.it means no use of leverage at all rather they are going underleverage.also if broker have 10 pips difference how come all the brokesr manage to quote the price to the pip. regard .
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banks don't do that kind of sizes.
min ticket is 2 mio usd. otherwise is not marketable.
so they will have to park the risk in nostro books or take risk positions against it.
all the small retails goes to bank teller counter 14 , and deal at board rates.
and you know what the spread at the board rates.

Local Full banks may do smaller, but i not think anyone wants quote 2 pips for less than 1 mio.


regards

"At least 45 people at UBS were involved in the rigging, which was discussed in internal chat forums and group emails but never detected by compliance staff, despite five audits."

thats not manipulation? seems markets cornered, is organised white collar crimes. No?

"2005 to 2010"

over half a decade?
  • #37,504
  • Dec 20, 2012 4:35am Dec 20, 2012 4:35am
Quoting fti
"At least 45 people at UBS were involved in the rigging, which was discussed in internal chat forums and group emails but never detected by compliance staff, despite five audits."

thats not manipulation? seems markets cornered, is organised white collar crimes. No?

"2005 to 2010"

over half a decade?
seems not a problem of internal controls of UBS if everyone involved. Regulators too complacent or their supervisory controls too lax to bypass.

regards

libor time deposits being one efficient is not/ should not be a child's play to manipulate. everything happens in this world. some believe is going end on 31st December.

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures...eId=USRTR3BQ1U
  • #37,505
  • Dec 20, 2012 4:38am Dec 20, 2012 4:38am
Quoting cuthbert
seems not a problem of internal controls of UBS if everyone involved. Regulators too complacent or their supervisory controls too lax to bypass.

regards
thats not for anyone to say.
Is matters to be taken up by the respective ministry of Finances, and the CBs.

regards
  • #37,506
  • Dec 20, 2012 4:41am Dec 20, 2012 4:41am
Quoting fti
thats not for anyone to say.
Is matters to be taken up by the respective ministry of Finances, and the CBs.

regards
yeah better not speculate. i not speculate. ok
neither should i download copyright stuff. is someone's bread and butter.

regards
  • #37,507
  • Dec 20, 2012 9:05am Dec 20, 2012 9:05am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...es-suffer.html

WOulndt be better advice to kids in school, try to be shareholders one day not stakeholders
  • #37,508
  • Dec 20, 2012 11:25pm Dec 20, 2012 11:25pm
MERRY CHRISTMAS and happy new year 2013. - gone to my parents. All the best, Fana
  • #37,509
  • Edited 12:30am Dec 21, 2012 12:14am | Edited 12:30am
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the Chase case.

WOW, this is powerful lesson.
The more intellectual, the harder huh.
they not use other senses any more?
Only the ego.

maybe everyone should get their diagnostic dog.
Cannot point a gun at it make it obey.
Cannot bribe it enough do evil stuff.
problem is maybe big% of them will need be put down.
would i shoot myself seeing him in the mirror?

If you angel, you raise an angel.
If you devil, you raise devil.

As you sow , so shall you reap.

Thanks God for new lessons, this christmas.
Thanks , neoshg, introduce the clips.

regards
  • #37,510
  • Edited 8:54am Dec 21, 2012 12:43am | Edited 8:54am
Quoting fti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUUTDOqx7A

the Chase case.

WOW, this is powerful lesson.
The more intellectual, the harder huh.
they not use other senses any more?
Only the ego.

maybe everyone should get their diagnostic dog.
Cannot point a gun at it make it obey.
Cannot bribe it enough do evil stuff.
problem is maybe big% of them will need be put down.
would i shoot myself seeing him in the mirror? : rofl:

If you angel, you raise an angel.
If you devil, you raise devil.

As you sow , so shall you...
they even made a clip for some wifes.: rofl
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which reminds me,
is what God and Jesus teaching me.
Is it walking in front or behind?
Had privilage met many peeps have them walking behind, then they try sneak infront.with honour is welcomed, with malice will be another deception.


Merry Christmas to all Akela

regards

http://www.y o u tube.com/watch?v=jdjWj6lXZ68
  • #37,511
  • Dec 21, 2012 2:05am Dec 21, 2012 2:05am
Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me; I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.

(Albert Camus or Maimonides)
  • #37,512
  • Edited 6:38am Dec 21, 2012 6:17am | Edited 6:38am
Quoting ukmanthailan
Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me; I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.

(Albert Camus or Maimonides)
ya ok.
God, is not friend,for me God is lead.

For me peeps can walk anywhere, is nothing to me.
Sometimes i walk, when i tired i stop to rest.

Sometimes i feel very sad, many peeps abuse,takes kindness for weakness.
Was just watching all the weak aura ( esp women), get dogs, then cannot handle the energy.
then the energy abused and put to sleep.
But thats the world. Painful thoughts.
very negative, best i snap out of this mindset.Try think positive.
Anyone for Dog soup?


regards
  • #37,513
  • Dec 21, 2012 7:41am Dec 21, 2012 7:41am
Quoting fti
ya ok.
God, is not friend,for me God is lead.

For me peeps can walk anywhere, is nothing to me.
Sometimes i walk, when i tired i stop to rest.

Sometimes i feel very sad, many peeps abuse,takes kindness for weakness.
Was just watching all the weak aura ( esp women), get dogs, then cannot handle the energy.
then the energy abused and put to sleep.
But thats the world. Painful thoughts.
very negative, best i snap out of this mindset.Try think positive.
Anyone for Dog soup?


regards
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that God was your friend. What you said just reminded me of that quote, which I like.
  • #37,514
  • Dec 21, 2012 8:01am Dec 21, 2012 8:01am
Quoting ukmanthailan
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that God was your friend. What you said just reminded me of that quote, which I like.
Abraham was called a friend of God, he left basically everything on faith, family, home, most possessions for a place he didn't know... was just told I will show you. David was called a man after God's own heart. Both did bad things, but are considered Patriarchs....... hope for us all....... me I'm just a man after God's Mercy and Grace!

Family all flying in yesterday, today and tomorrow, time to call it a year!

Wishing all a Great Christmas and a Happy New Year,

@FTI glad you're feeling better, rest well....

a
  • #37,515
  • Dec 21, 2012 8:14am Dec 21, 2012 8:14am
Quoting ukmanthailan
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that God was your friend. What you said just reminded me of that quote, which I like.
wasn't meant to be personal.
was just speaking the mind.
No apologies necesarry.

We all human not need agree with each others minds, or concepts or views always.
Humans are very different.
Thats reason why we have markets.

Merry Christmas.

regards
  • #37,516
  • Dec 21, 2012 8:15am Dec 21, 2012 8:15am
Quoting auxesis
Abraham was called a friend of God, he left basically everything on faith, family, home, most possessions for a place he didn't know... was just told I will show you. David was called a man after God's own heart. Both did bad things, but are considered Patriarchs....... hope for us all....... me I'm just a man after God's Mercy and Grace!

Family all flying in yesterday, today and tomorrow, time to call it a year!

Wishing all a Great Christmas and a Happy New Year,

@FTI glad you're feeling better, rest well....

a
aux.
have a Merry Christmas.

regards
  • #37,517
  • Dec 21, 2012 9:59am Dec 21, 2012 9:59am
Quoting fti
wasn't meant to be personal.
was just speaking the mind.
No apologies necesarry.

We all human not need agree with each others minds, or concepts or views always.
Humans are very different.
Thats reason why we have markets.

Merry Christmas.

regards
Merry Christmas, I hope it's a good one for you.
  • #37,518
  • Dec 21, 2012 10:10am Dec 21, 2012 10:10am
Merry Christmas to everyone on TAF!
  • #37,519
  • Dec 21, 2012 10:28am Dec 21, 2012 10:28am
[quote=fti;6314920] they even made a clip for some wifes.: rofl



I should use that e-collar so when I'm trading against the trend, I can give myself a shock and get back on trend.

regards,

zz
  • #37,520
  • Dec 21, 2012 10:59am Dec 21, 2012 10:59am
Wishing everyone here a very merry xmas and a happy healthy & wonderful year from a silent follower.
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