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  • #1
  • First Post: Edited Dec 13, 2012 6:05am Nov 23, 2012 8:09am | Edited Dec 13, 2012 6:05am
I don't want to pollute the specific thread at the risk of my question being removed on the grounds of spam but having read through the thread referenced in this threads title, I find it frankly absurd that people in 2012 actually believe you can base any opinion of a financial markets movement on planetary & astrological movements... I mean COME ON LOL SURELY YOU CAN USE WIKIPEDIA TO DEBUNK THIS MADNESS? I dread to think of the money being wasted on this rubbish... on-top of the money being wasted in general.

This ranks up there with faith healing and horoscopes!!!
  • #2
  • Nov 23, 2012 3:14pm Nov 23, 2012 3:14pm
Quoting evertontrade
I don't want to pollute the specific thread at the risk of my question being removed on the grounds of spam but having read through the thread referenced in this threads title, I find it frankly absurd that people in 2012 actually believe you can base any opinion of a financial markets movement on planetary & astrological movements... I mean COME ON LOL SURELY YOU CAN USE WIKIPEDIA TO DEBUNK THIS MADNESS? I dread to think of the money being wasted on this rubbish... on-top of the money being wasted in general.

This ranks up there with faith healing...
you know there is alot of truth to this type of trading I think. Since the market moves based on human emotion and human emotion is effected by things like circadian rhythm and emotional tides. Research suggests people see the most emotional change moving from new moon to full moon.. but do not see emotional change from full moon to new moon. Men are more impacted than women by this cycle statistically and more men tend to be traders. Now I dont trade with this but I can see people doing it with strong MM it could work, but also how people have interacted with these cycles have been ingrained in us for what maybe a million years? Its just in the past 100 we feel its nonsense.
  • #3
  • Nov 23, 2012 3:17pm Nov 23, 2012 3:17pm
Quoting evertontrade
I don't want to pollute the specific thread at the risk of my question being removed on the grounds of spam but having read through the thread referenced in this threads title, I find it frankly absurd that people in 2012 actually believe you can base any opinion of a financial markets movement on planetary & astrological movements... I mean COME ON LOL SURELY YOU CAN USE WIKIPEDIA TO DEBUNK THIS MADNESS? I dread to think of the money being wasted on this rubbish... on-top of the money being wasted in general.

This ranks up there with faith healing...

I didn't believe it but I have a guy who I follow and he turned me into a believer(hes just an astrologer)... Not only astrology but you can use time analysis and cycles to identify.. I actually do this not knowing that there is a formal name for it.. I just go with what is intuitive for me... calculating time between peaks and values and extrapolating... seems to identify points of turn.. when you recreate the wheel not knowing that its been already created that is when you have your true moments of clarity.
  • #4
  • Nov 23, 2012 6:16pm Nov 23, 2012 6:16pm
Read about the delta phenomena there's books on it and there is the market matrix by Steve and it works about 85% imo.
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  • #5
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:14pm Nov 23, 2012 7:14pm
Quoting evertontrade
I don't want to pollute the specific thread at the risk of my question being removed on the grounds of spam but having read through the thread referenced in this threads title, I find it frankly absurd that people in 2012 actually believe you can base any opinion of a financial markets movement on planetary & astrological movements... I mean COME ON LOL SURELY YOU CAN USE WIKIPEDIA TO DEBUNK THIS MADNESS? I dread to think of the money being wasted on this rubbish... on-top of the money being wasted in general.

This ranks up there with faith healing...
Actualy planetary cycle are even studied by big banks i saw a very serious study made by the research dept of RBS establishing a correlation between american index and the moon phases . for me it s a confusion between correlation and cause/effect relation . let me take an example to illustrate my though :

if i say 95 percent of people who were severely injuried in a car accident this year eaten a big mac past year a planetary cycle believer style though will be : eating a big mac increase the chance to be severely injuried in a car accident during the 12 month following .
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi ~ Thus passes the glory of the world
  • #6
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:16pm Nov 23, 2012 7:16pm
I really don't know what to say... do you people believe in father christmas too?
  • #7
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:24pm Nov 23, 2012 7:24pm
Quoting evertontrade
I really don't know what to say... do you people believe in father christmas too?
unbelievable but true i found a copy of the RBS study , even big bank are concerned by that scam

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38095213/R...ial-2010-07-07
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi ~ Thus passes the glory of the world
  • #8
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:28pm Nov 23, 2012 7:28pm
Quoting evertontrade
I really don't know what to say... do you people believe in father christmas too?
You will never learn, thus you shouldn't even try.

I said that I wasn't a believer until I changed my mind, you will get there one day too before its too late.
  • #9
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:31pm Nov 23, 2012 7:31pm
Don't get all philosophical, you look stupid and this really isn't the argument to defend.

I honestly can't understand why people don't immediately relate this to horoscopes and other scams?
  • #10
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:39pm Nov 23, 2012 7:39pm
Quoting aerotrade
unbelievable but true i found a copy of the RBS study , even big bank are concerned by that scam

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38095213/R...ial-2010-07-07
Fair enough, I do think it's different from individuals using it as entry signals. I imagine organisations like RBS have pretty much unlimited research budgets so even the fringe subjects would be explored out of curiosity.

I wonder how many fund managers actually advertise this sort of trading style? I once read that the bible predicts market movement based on verse indexes... I remember wondering "so who's idea was it to try that out?"
  • #11
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:40pm Nov 23, 2012 7:40pm
Quoting evertontrade
Don't get all philosophical, you look stupid and this really isn't the argument to defend.

I honestly can't understand why people don't immediately relate this to and other scams?
i am a rational guy and see that strategy as an horoscopes or other esoteric things , but finaly we can also make the same critic about those who use repainting indicators as a decision tools

after a strategy that win only 10 percent time can be profitable with a good risk reward ration if you loose 9 time on 10 attempt 10 pip but you hen wining it s 100 pip then it s still 10 pip profitable meaning with a good money management even a random decision can be profitable with some luck .

just consider that strategy as an esoteric-driven gambling
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi ~ Thus passes the glory of the world
  • #12
  • Nov 23, 2012 7:58pm Nov 23, 2012 7:58pm
Quoting aerotrade
just consider that strategy as an esoteric-driven gambling
Okay in theory any system can be profitable with the right R:R... tossing a coin, throwing darts at a board, random number generator. This is a lovely idea but I'm yet to see it actually work in practice... otherwise we'd all be gazillionaires with simple money management.

Coming back to the planets, the thread referenced in the title of this thread doesn't include people using it in the form of esoteric gambling... they are convinced (and very convincing) practitioners trying to predict the unpredictable with a telescope lol. Simplistic yes but you get my gist.

I'm not trying to convince anyone not to do it, I just wanted to get others opinions on the subjects. It's been an interesting read so far.
  • #13
  • Nov 23, 2012 8:08pm Nov 23, 2012 8:08pm
the planetary cycle theory actually work with stock in period of growth 1 an investor will focus on an interesting stock for good rational reason and start to watch it first and buy blindly because of the moon Jupiter and the sun or whatever give the signal to enter , then the investor will be confident because the stock horoscope is good

potential outcome

market go against the investor in the first period the investor will have a so solid bias in mind that he will lead him hold until profit
market go for the investor , it prove the theory
market go down stock value go to zero then it s the moon fault and the move is considered as abnormal

now let s assume his position is not leveraged and occur is during a general growth period = the strategy have good chance to work as long as it depend of the good rational reason that drove the investor to focus on the selected stock
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi ~ Thus passes the glory of the world
  • #14
  • Nov 24, 2012 12:11am Nov 24, 2012 12:11am
My main problem with planetary cycles is that there's the Sun, to our Moon, to Jupiter, which holds the Asteroid Belt together, to what our Sun orbits around, which is a black hole, which has millions upon millions of stars orbiting it, which is our galaxy, which is pulled and pushed by other galaxies and nebulae and whatever else there is out there. While we may be able to spot patterns in the grand scheme of things, it will have to be updated since these things are extremely large bodies constantly moving at mind-boggling speeds.
Play the players, not the cards.
  • #15
  • Nov 24, 2012 6:08am Nov 24, 2012 6:08am
My main issue with it is basically that's its a load of garbage.
  • #16
  • Nov 24, 2012 9:54am Nov 24, 2012 9:54am
Quoting evertontrade
My main issue with it is basically that's its a load of garbage.

From your OP, why don't you use wiki to debunk this? Instead of just saying stuff without actual reason...
Play the players, not the cards.
  • #17
  • Nov 24, 2012 2:54pm Nov 24, 2012 2:54pm
It easy to see this scientifically. If you study spectrum of EUR/USD data most dominant cycle is equal to Sun-Venus Synodic cycle... and second equal to Sun - Mars Synodic Cycle.... What a coincidence!
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  • #18
  • Nov 24, 2012 11:44pm Nov 24, 2012 11:44pm
Quoting evertontrade
Don't get all philosophical, you look stupid and this really isn't the argument to defend.

I honestly can't understand why people don't immediately relate this to horoscopes and other scams?
i look stupid lol ur to stupid to even know how to quote someone lol u need to go back to school fool if einstien was still alive and reading your posts he would reach out
and slap some sense into you. Learn or
die little one.
  • #19
  • Nov 24, 2012 11:48pm Nov 24, 2012 11:48pm
Quoting GnarlyPips
From your OP, why don't you use wiki to debunk this? Instead of just saying stuff without actual reason...
i dont think he cares hes just another hater. We all know how they turn out
  • #20
  • Nov 25, 2012 2:47pm Nov 25, 2012 2:47pm
Quoting domino
you know there is alot of truth to this type of trading I think. Since the market moves based on human emotion and human emotion is effected by things like circadian rhythm and emotional tides. Research suggests people see the most emotional change moving from new moon to full moon.. but do not see emotional change from full moon to new moon. Men are more impacted than women by this cycle statistically and more men tend to be traders. Now I dont trade with this but I can see people doing it with strong MM it could work, but also how people have...
I think you have some good points here.
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