Decompiled code... stop posting it

In the last 30 mins while browsing i've stumbled onto 2 threads posting decompiled mql code.

If you are too useless to do the code yourself don't decompile someone elses, or get a copy of decompiled code from somewhere, and then come in here expecting someone who has a clue to help you in any way.

Most of us here who are legitimate coders have more integrity than to help you (steal) code. Some of us put real time and effort into our code, and to see someone post their "hai guyz i need halp with dis kode" and then attach a clearly decompiled file is spitting in our faces. In the past i helped someone with decompiled code just for the challenge of working it all out (it was the first time i'd ever seen decompiled mql), but have regretted it ever since as it was not at all the right thing to do. I never used the code and never had any interest of that kind in it, I just wanted to figure it out (coders like puzzles). Live and learn.

If you want to steal someones code, which is what using decompiled code is, then deal with it yourself. Put on your big-boy pants and do some study and learn to code for yourself.... but by then you should have learned enough to do the code better yourself anyway and won't need your stolen code!

Fix the code yourself, or not at all. Stop expecting people smarter than you to help steal the work of other people who are also smarter than you.

The one saving grace that i've noticed so far is that these things are usually some little junk script. I'm very hesitant to release some of the work i've done over time as i'm sure i'd see it pop-up somewhere decompiled with some clown asking for it to be fixed / cracked / whatever, however, as some of my projects are in the thousands of lines of code, and you guys can't even work-out 20 lines of decompiled code, it gives me hope that it might still be a worthy exercise to release some of my work at some point. We'll see.

Stop posting decompiled code. Every time someone decompiles code Justin Bieber makes a new song... so just stop. Seriously. I won't be helping you, not that you want my help I'm sure, but I know some others won't touch it either... so that leaves you with everyone else who is just like you and has no clue and can't help.

It might 'just be some junk mql', but it's still someone's time and effort. They may have put more time and effort into their 20 lines of mql than I have with a few hundred of my own, but still that is someone's efforts you are, what's the word... perhaps... desecrating?

Be kind. rewind.

I have to agree 100% with your comments. You are on the side of angels, but out of step with the Internet generation and doomed to disappointment. By Internet generation I am not talking about an age group and I don't want to come off as some old fogie. The Internet generation are the people of all ages including my peers who adopted the newest things as quickly as they could and tried to be the leaders of the new culture while turning their backs on what they were taught or used to believe. It started with stealing music, then movies and now software. The whole time these people think they are right and causing no harm and those who object are stuck in the old out of date ways.

Just as disturbing to me as the theft aspect, is the parallel trait of this powerful sense of entitlement. Criticizing someone who is not willing to share as an evil being is just repugnant to me. An example of this is the expectation that my labour should be shared freely amoug the widest possible audience, because "hey we're all here to help each other, aren't we?". I doubt if most of these people have a clue as to what they will eventually end up with - inferior products created by mediocre people.

The irony in all this to me is the spread of Communism ideals in the Internet generation. The ideas that they espouse of sharing everything and paying for nothing would have got me branded as a Commie in my younger days. And seeing how miserably, the Communist system (think Cuba, North Korea) failed I am not going to become a Communist in old age in order to be in tune with the Internet generation. I know I am fighting a lost cause, but it is righteous. Software thieves beware. And one final thought - perhaps a little bit of good old fashioned Commie bashing is what's needed.

that's what gets me the most. somehow some people can't tell the difference between asking for genuine help with something confusing or obscure (and communicating it well), and just being too dumb and lazy to spend some time in a help file or google... or just flat-out wanting someone to pirate someone elses work as though it means nothing.

and some of these people will have paid to have these files decompiled... that's what really does my head in.

that's people for ya. there's a reason why the haves have, and the have not's do not. and of all things, they want to dabble in forex? good luck with that, people. good luck indeed.

Fully agree, sometimes these people even ready to pay to change decompiled code.
A good advice here: it may be easier and cheaper to do some google, to find the author and pay him to modify his script/EA/whatever rather than pay another coders. In this way you may get legal copy and keep a good conscience.
Laziness is a main obstacle here I guess...

Having in mind why are they (the majority of "decompilers") doing it (to pretend that they know something about coding) I do not think that they will stop - this way they can be "coders" and that is such a noble thing to do

And the extent of how much it is spread is enormous : go to official mql site and in the code base you will find quite a few pieces of a decompiled code too (in the code base those are all posts approved by their moderators and admins). The disease is even at the place where it all started from (the decompiler could come only from one place) and even they are not doing anything against it - by allowing the decompiled code in their code base they are sending quite the opposite message : kill all the coders that are not ours

So, after all, the posters of decompiled code are just doing someone else dirty work ...
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The only result is that there is and will be less and less coders coding anything for metatrader. After all : why should anybody do it at the terms that are going on now?

When I see decompiled code attached to a post I generally chide the poster about it and they take it down.

But as mladen pointed out it's really a pointless exercise. I can take someone's ex4 file and for like $1 I can have it decompiled on a certain web site.

In this environment I don't bother posting ex4 files since it provides absolutely no protection of my IP. I either post the source or just keep it to myself.
Lately it's been the latter.

somewhere we should mention, many don't know they are posting decompiled code..... so perhaps it's an honest mistake..... somethin they would not have done if it were known......


what's kinda funny to me is the 'self appointed' code guru's that have their private web sites offering coding service at the top of the page, right along with decompiling service at the bottom.......

now that's funny............h

lucky for them some of us will point it out to them.

I would avoid ordering anything from such web sites. If coders don't respect other coders' work, why should they respect author's rights? Most probably any EA ordered from "dishonest" web site would be publicly available in a next few days after release.
So... it may be wrong choice to have a deal with guys who code and decode at the same time .
I believe it's easy to see for everyone who use these providers. Another conscious decision?

hey raitsoft..... many years ago after mentioning mladen was the worlds top coder, at least in my mind, someone started pm'ing me..... that very someone has multiple forexfactory usernames with multiple websites offering both coding and decoding...... there are several other somewhat promiment members doing the same.......

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what prompted me to post was mladen...........h

SORRY hayseed after rereading,rereading and rereading I decided i don't know how to read.

Did you read the same post I did? I'm not seeing slander. And if hayseed was bagging on Mladen, why would he have left his vouch there?

Methinks you misunderstood something.

Me thinks your right, i will crawl back into my hole now

'Thanks for the correction, and SORRY again Hayseed!!!!!!

hey mrtools..... just noticed your last post..... not sure of what transpired.... sometimes my somewhat broken writing style can be confusing...... so the fault may have been mine...... the someone, apparently has an on going feud with mladen and wanted me to prove my statement..... which of course i did, via pm.....
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to clarify...... mladen, in my mind, is the worlds best coder..... and please do not think i arrived at that notion too quickly..... my days are filled with studying coding styles and manners of hundreds of coders..... coding and/or trading is something i do an unhealthy number of hours 7 days a week.....

a shortcut to becoming better is by intensely studying the best..... my vouched for list contains some of the best coders.... whether they can trade or not, i have no clue.....

to my knowledge, mladen has always presented his work in mq4 form on every forum..... that act alone says a tremendous amount about him..... his code style is perfect....... his scope and volume of work is unmatched..... the list goes on and on....h

Attachment comes from forum rules.

Just sayin'. No offense intended.

Exactly. And very well articulated. IMHO.

ugh, the vouch system. been there, ranted about that. pretty sure i mentioned it being an idea to have a separate metric specifically for coders so as to differentiate that specific aspect from everything else.

the last stern talking-to that twee gave me said how i was a blight on the forum and they are in the process of making the forum better.... i left. i came back. i still to this day (many months later) see zero changes anywhere... at all.

the forum is governed based on a whim and on revenue. if they cared half as much as it was meant for me to believe then they would infraction anyone posting stolen code, and then maybe give a damn about some of the rest of the nonsense they let slide due to page-hits > rules.

oh, and it's been mentioned that perhaps some of the people posting decompiled code don't know that this is what they are posting. well, they should learn fast. it's akin to receiving a file from a friend and then jumping on the software's forum site and asking how to do something, all the while it's a cracked copy they are using. you don't get to smuggle drugs around bali just because "you didn't know it was wrong".... so, yeah. big boy pants / due diligence / and whatnot.

I haven't seen a single line of decompiled code worth keeping anyway. Posting ex4 files almost seems like a marketing ploy to pique peoples' interest and maintain buzz in a thread.

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hey hanover........ of course, none taken.......

traders that are experienced and wise........ can you point out a single trader in my vouched for list that is not experienced and wise...... ok, there might be one..... so let's say 2?......

or point out a single one that has posted decompiled code.....

i take vouching dead serious.... and to the best of my knowledge, everyone on my list, except perhaps 1, is a trader that is also experienced and wise...... in addition most are excellent at helping others with code...... all but a few of those provide that code in mq4 form......

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ok, now we've had decompiling and vouching, all we need is someone to bring up hedging and martingale....... yall are own your own there........h

I don't follow the posts of maybe 75% of the people in your vouch list. And besides, "experienced" and "wise" are subjective terms, that may be interpreted differently. For example, I might think "experienced" means somebody who's been making a six figure income from trading for at least 10 years; while somebody else might think "experienced" means anybody who's come out ahead after spending 6 months in demo.

In your posts in this thread, I get the impression (possibly wrongly?) that you vouch on the basis of coding skill, and willingness to help others, and reluctance to post decompiled code, ....... which I see as being completely different to trading wisdom or experience. Hence my comment.

But anyway, bah, semantics! If you're happy with the way that you're vouching, then who am I to judge?