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  • #5,021
  • Edited Sep 7, 2012 6:34am Sep 6, 2012 8:12am | Edited Sep 7, 2012 6:34am
Quoting Dolemite
I am glad you thought that translation was crap... I always suspected it was but never had a good alternative. Your take fits much more naturally into what I understand of Gann's nature and mannerisms... Using the kabala cipher in "The Science of Numerology" on the title "The Tunnel Thru The Air or Looking Back from 1940" got me "35 + 73 + 56 + 35 + 31 + 36 + 82 + 25 + 66 and 1940" Which when you exclude 1940, reduces to 16 which is Mars... However, I dont quite get how the 1940 enters in and what "cycle" of Mars you are alluding to... In...
Bobbie's horoscope is significant in the axis between the 4th and 10th house.
Bobbie is the "chosen" one, with him ends a cycle and starts a new one.
Ask yourself why Gann picked 1940? Why not 1945 or 1950?

Gann tells you upfront what you need to do to understand the book. Probably the first 3-4 pages are the most important ones.

The key is in his recommended reading list. There is no shortcut, you need to read it all. I am still not done yet as it is very extensive.
But as you go you will see that he didn't think of it all by himself.

Most people make the mistake in that they think it is a book about trading. So, they look for trading clues and are colored in their interpretations. It is much more a book about his beliefs than it is about trading.
They key to his market analysis is on the very first page. What do you think it means when he says that you need it 3 times? You think anything special is going to happen after the 3rd time? Of course not. It is a clue in itself.
You may want to read about the thrice great.
  • #5,022
  • Edited 9:08am Sep 6, 2012 8:57am | Edited 9:08am
Quoting Ilovepippin
Bobbie's horoscope is significant in the axis between the 4th and 10th house.
Bobbie is the "chosen" one, with him ends a cycle and starts a new one.
Ask yourself why Gann picked 1940? Why not 1945 or 1950?

Gann tells you upfront what you need to do to understand the book. Probably the first 3-4 pages are the most important ones.

The key is in his recommended reading list. There is no shortcut, you need to read it all. I am still not done yet as it is very extensive.
But as you go you will see that he didn't think of it all by himself.

Most...
Like I said, I have studied Gann for many years and admittedly still have miles to go, but your clues are not lost on me. I know he did not come upon this on his own and know that he was a true believer in Hermeticism (as you allude to with Hermes the thrice great and the Kybalion)
Gann has been an obsession of the highest order in my life and I will chase his secrets for the rest of my life. The road is difficult and filled with 99% charlatans and false prophets who claim to understand his methods. The pursuit has changed my life and I am grateful that you are willing to help light my way...

Getting back to Robert Gordon... I know that the Midheaven of Robert's chart is opposite the Ascendant of the U.S. natal chart, yet I don't know what to make of that. I have heard his nickname is important, yet it is lost on me.... And believe me I have asked myself why 1940 for about a year now, have explored many angles, and have come up empty at every turn...

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
  • #5,023
  • Sep 6, 2012 10:07am Sep 6, 2012 10:07am
Quoting Ilovepippin
Thoth was a master in alchemy, astrology and theurgy, which Gann used in his book. His recommended reading list is all about that. He also used nummerology to which he reffered to as math. The oldes science in the world is astrology, hence the claim that this methods were science and math.

They believed that in 1918 the age of pisces would end and we would enter the age of aquarius. We would end the reign of saturn (8) and enter into a new age, a new cycle (9) signifies the end of a cycle.

Now remember, Bobbie had a brother that died. This...
From the bottom of my heart, thank you and believe me the value of what you have told me is not lost on me. My deepest thanks, like for real, I couldn't be more thankful for the direction you have put me on to.

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
  • #5,024
  • Sep 6, 2012 10:13am Sep 6, 2012 10:13am
Quoting Dolemite
From the bottom of my heart, thank you and believe me the value of what you have told me is not lost on me. My deepest thanks, like for real, I couldn't be more thankful for the direction you have put me on to.

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
Welcome. One more thing I forgot.
The axis refers to "as above so below".

You see it also in Washington DC. http://www.tourist4life.com/washingt...DC05_63_b8.jpg

and Paris....
  • #5,025
  • Edited 3:40pm Sep 6, 2012 2:31pm | Edited 3:40pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Welcome. One more thing I forgot.
The axis refers to "as above so below".

You see it also in Washington DC. http://www.tourist4life.com/washingt...DC05_63_b8.jpg

and Paris....
Pippin, one final question for you if you dont mind....
In TTTA, the part with Robert and Marie aboard the Sunshine express....
Even before finding that the numerology on the title of the book's number is 16, which is mars, I always thought Robert represented Mars because of a passage in this section. The numerology of the title only confirms it in my mind...

Early morning of Jun 5, 1927, If Robert is Mars and Marie is Venus, then the line "He felt seperated from Marie, she was 2 cars back..." I have always interpreted as Venus being at 27 degrees Can and Mars being at 29 Can.... venus is 2 degress behind mars at this time.... Do you have any additional light you can shed on this?

I have always tried to view TTTA through the esoteric/occult lens, but even looking for the symbolism, Gann still did an amazing job of burying it in many deep layers... Kudos to you for your level of understanding of this amazing work, and with hard work and a bit of luck I hope to be there as well one day

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
  • #5,026
  • Edited 4:01pm Sep 6, 2012 3:44pm | Edited 4:01pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Ain't it fun?
Set up a horoscope for that day. You'll see you are not far off. They are actually in cancer.
Marie refers to Isis, Venus. That is correct.
But Robert he is actually Osiris/Horus and would then be associated with Saturn as the perfect child that would carry the cross of the world.

The separation means a waning aspect and 2 cars could be 2 degrees or 2 signs. In the horoscope the separation aspect is actually between the sun and the moon. Sunshine express does refer to the sun. But there is more happening in that horoscope. Jupiter...
In regards to the galactic center, I always was under the impression that was in the upper 20s of Sag, not the lower degrees of Aries?

Absolutely fascinating stuff!!
You are showing me with every post how little I really know about Gann haha
Any chance you would PM me? I would love to exchange email addresses. If not no worries at all

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
  • #5,027
  • Edited Sep 7, 2012 8:06am Sep 6, 2012 6:33pm | Edited Sep 7, 2012 8:06am
Quoting Dolemite
In regards to the galactic center, I always was under the impression that was in the upper 20s of Sag, not the lower degrees of Aries?

Absolutely fascinating stuff!!
You are showing me with every post how little I really know about Gann haha
Any chance you would PM me? I would love to exchange email addresses. If not no worries at all

Warm Regards,
Dolemite
Sorry you are correct. 4 degrees Aries means the beginning of the new man, not galactic center. The axis in gem - sag stands for that. Exactly at the end of Ophiuchus.
  • #5,028
  • Edited 8:04pm Sep 6, 2012 6:53pm | Edited 8:04pm
This is kinda confusing. I got the Sun 15' Gemini 12" squaring with Jupiter 15' Virgo 12''. Converting it directly would be 1245x but when I overlay it on Sq9, it shows 1248x. Which is which?

Someone please answer me? o.O

EDIT: I found a book recommended by someone from another forum called, "Time and Money: The Astrology of Wealth" by Koval Barbara. Is this a good book to read? Can't find any reviews about it so I thought of asking it here.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #5,029
  • Sep 7, 2012 8:39am Sep 7, 2012 8:39am
Quoting kiranitoot
This is kinda confusing. I got the Sun 15' Gemini 12" squaring with Jupiter 15' Virgo 12''. Converting it directly would be 1245x but when I overlay it on Sq9, it shows 1248x. Which is which?

Someone please answer me? o.O

EDIT: I found a book recommended by someone from another forum called, "Time and Money: The Astrology of Wealth" by Koval Barbara. Is this a good book to read? Can't find any reviews about it so I thought of asking it here.
Why don't you read it and find out?
  • #5,030
  • Sep 7, 2012 5:02pm Sep 7, 2012 5:02pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Why don't you read it and find out?
Thought so.
Will buy it later then.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #5,031
  • Sep 9, 2012 2:00pm Sep 9, 2012 2:00pm
Quoting Dolemite

I have always tried to view TTTA through the esoteric/occult lens, but even looking for the symbolism, Gann still did an amazing job of burying it in many deep layers... Kudos to you for your level of understanding of this amazing work, and with hard work and a bit of luck I hope to be there as well one day
Very nice. Same with me I also trying and doing lot of work to decode tunnel. I red it two times and now looking at ephemerise for dates. After I started to look at ephemris I felt that gann has used cities to tell us about the signs because every city has a ruling sign. In many times they had some relationship but not always. This is what I believe but dont know whether I am correct or not. I was really messing with his transportation cycles last month but couldnt find exactly what his 100 years cycle was. I found that from cowans book 500 year cycle is 11 conjunctions of synodic cycle of saturn and uranus and also 11th one takes place at same sign like 3 cycles of saturn and jupiter. Now I have several cycles for 100 years cycles and those are Saturn-Uranus 2 cycles, Saturn -Jupiter 5 cycles, 5 cycles of Node, 8 cycles of Jupiter. This 100 year cycle was at the beginning of the book and I thought that knowing about this is very important before moving into other parts. So anyone having an opinion about this cycle ???

Good Luck All
  • #5,032
  • Edited 3:09pm Sep 9, 2012 3:04pm | Edited 3:09pm
Some hard study done at weekend to solve the situation...My long term cycle from Heliocentric declinations average of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn looks true so far with strengthening Euro. (Because posted that chart before, i didn't put it again)

Shorter Time Frame look up is below.. I expected to see a top around August 31 but price continued to advance.... Market character so far require no inversion. Therefore we should see at least a swing bottom around September 22 then another top around October 15.

http://imageplay.net/img/tya22283487/EURUSD2.jpg


One more chart i prepared because i observed something like 585 days period on EUR/USD chart which is close to synodic period of Venus...

http://imageplay.net/img/tya22283488/EURUSD3.jpg



Finally astrological events of the week

PLANET-TO-PLANET SELECTIONS
Transiting: Moo Mer Ven Mar Jup Sat Ura Nep Plu
ASPECT ASPECT
Conj ( 0 deg 00 min) Oppos (180 deg 00 min)
Sqr ( 90 deg 00 min) Trine (120 deg 00 min)
Sxtil ( 60 deg 00 min)

Note: Times are for time zone 0 hours West. DST is observed.
Sep 9, 2012 1:13 AM Mer Vir Sqr Jup Gem
Sep 9, 2012 11:59 AM Moo Gem Trine Sat Lib
Sep 9, 2012 5:49 PM Moo enters Cancer
Sep 9, 2012 8:25 PM Moo Can Trine Nep Pis
Sep 10, 2012 7:38 AM Moo Can Oppos Plu Cap
Sep 10, 2012 7:56 AM Moo 3rd H.
Sep 10, 2012 8:17 AM Moo Can Sqr Ura Ari
Sep 10, 2012 10:56 AM Moo Ari CPar. Plu Ari
Sep 10, 2012 5:05 PM Moo Can Trine Mar Sco
Sep 11, 2012 7:02 AM Moo Ari Par Ven Ari
Sep 11, 2012 8:21 AM Moo Can Sxtil Mer Vir
Sep 11, 2012 6:27 PM Moo 4th H.
Sep 11, 2012 10:58 PM Moo Can Sqr Sat Lib
Sep 12, 2012 4:00 AM Moo enters Leo
Sep 12, 2012 4:15 PM Moo Leo Conj Ven Leo
Sep 12, 2012 5:26 PM Moo Leo Trine Ura Ari
Sep 13, 2012 4:54 AM Moo Leo Sqr Mar Sco
Sep 13, 2012 5:44 AM Ven Leo Trine Ura Ari
Sep 13, 2012 8:53 AM Moo Leo Sxtil Jup Gem
Sep 13, 2012 12:19 PM Moo 5th H.


For me most important aspect is Venus Trine aspect with Uranus. There was a partial solar eclipse happened in January 4, 2011 in same day Venus and Uranus had Trine aspect. This will be third Trine of those planets after eclipse... I dont know alone this aspect create enough energy for trend change... Previous two occurrences created bearish energy but it should be considered as a change in trend...

http://imageplay.net/img/tya22283493/EURUSD5.jpg

Finally Gann Fans... 1X8 of 2009 low holds.. I hope it hold some and gave time for the people who are in love with their shorts like me OMG.. Why money management such difficult

(No more image allowed in this post... I will post it seperately)
  • #5,033
  • Sep 9, 2012 3:05pm Sep 9, 2012 3:05pm
http://imageplay.net/img/tya22283495/EURUSD6.jpg
  • #5,034
  • Sep 10, 2012 2:19am Sep 10, 2012 2:19am
This just came to my attention, An aspect this October would be a game changer in the market.

10-29-1929
10-19-1987
10-10-2008
10-30-2012

Will it happen? I don't know.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #5,035
  • Sep 10, 2012 5:19am Sep 10, 2012 5:19am
14.NOV.2012... solar eclipse
20.SEP.2012... mars+moon
  • #5,036
  • Sep 10, 2012 1:17pm Sep 10, 2012 1:17pm
Quoting Fx-Idu
Very nice. Same with me I also trying and doing lot of work to decode tunnel. I red it two times and now looking at ephemerise for dates. After I started to look at ephemris I felt that gann has used cities to tell us about the signs because every city has a ruling sign. In many times they had some relationship but not always. This is what I believe but dont know whether I am correct or not. I was really messing with his transportation cycles last month but couldnt find exactly what his 100 years cycle was. I found that from cowans book 500...
The 100 year cycle is 10 x 10 yr cycle, 5 x 20 yr cycle and 2 x 50 yr cycle. Very significant.
  • #5,037
  • Sep 10, 2012 1:23pm Sep 10, 2012 1:23pm
FXIdu welcome to the TTTA party and thanks for the interesting thoughts.
Pippin, ty for yours too as always...

Came upon this today related to the cycles of venus and found it very interesting
http://www.esotericonline.net/group/...ythe-pentagram
  • #5,038
  • Sep 10, 2012 2:07pm Sep 10, 2012 2:07pm
Also, Pippin, in one of your posts you talked about Gordon's older brother dying in the SF quake being important because it is the end of a cycle....

When I do a heliocentric chart for Apr 18, 1906 I notice that Venus, Mars, and Jup are all w/in a few degrees of a triple conjunction at 6, 9.5, and 14 degrees Gemini respectively...

Is this triple conjunction what you were getting at? And should I feel it is significant that it is happening very close to 7 degrees Gemini, which Gann lists as the ascendant of the USA and Robert Gordon's 4th house cusp (IC)?

Warm Regards
Dolemite
  • #5,039
  • Sep 10, 2012 2:12pm Sep 10, 2012 2:12pm
Quoting Dolemite
Also, Pippin, in one of your posts you talked about Gordon's older brother dying in the SF quake being important because it is the end of a cycle....

When I do a heliocentric chart for Apr 18, 1906 I notice that Venus, Mars, and Jup are all w/in a few degrees of a triple conjunction at 6, 9.5, and 14 degrees Gemini respectively...

Is this triple conjunction what you were getting at? And should I feel it is significant that it is happening very close to 7 degrees Gemini, which Gann lists as the ascendant of the USA and Robert Gordon's 4th house...
Not the quake, the brother indicates the end of an old cycle.
Predicting earthquakes is another topic.
  • #5,040
  • Sep 10, 2012 2:24pm Sep 10, 2012 2:24pm
Quoting Ilovepippin
Not the quake, the brother indicates the end of an old cycle.
Predicting earthquakes is another topic.
I understand that
I am asking if this "cycle" is related to the synodic cycles of venus, mars, and or Jupiter?
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