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  • #241
  • Jul 25, 2012 3:34pm Jul 25, 2012 3:34pm
Hello everyone,
I'm pretty new to FF, so I only just found this thread, its a system thats quite similar to one I use so I hope I can learn a bit off you and hopefully even contribute to the thread a bit more in the future.

One question about the EA. I set it up on afew charts on demo this morning and it seems to be running fine. However I cannot get it to backtest successfully. The journal in the strategy tester has 2 messages;

tester;margin exchange rate can not be calculated
tester;exchange rate can not be calculated

Am I missing something obvious here or can anyone suggest a fix?

I do think the ability to backtest many different t/f's and ma combos and find the best setup for each pair should give a big edge in trying to make this type of system profitable in the longer term.

BTW I like a 6, 14 ema combo, I don't know if thats better than 3, 5 maybe a bit slower entries but less false starts. if I can manage to get this Ea backtesting I'll let you know

Thanks for any feedback

Lille Bror
  • #242
  • Edited 5:39pm Jul 25, 2012 3:41pm | Edited 5:39pm
Lille Bror:
I think Brigadier could help you with that.

i think you could try any ema combo depending on how aggressive or
conservative a system you would like..
sure..
your help will be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
manny

Quoting lille bror
Hello everyone,
I'm pretty new to FF, so I only just found this thread, its a system thats quite similar to one I use so I hope I can learn a bit off you and hopefully even contribute to the thread a bit more in the future.

One question about the EA. I set it up on afew charts on demo this morning and it seems to be running fine. However I cannot get it to backtest successfully. The journal in the strategy tester has 2 messages;

tester;margin exchange rate can not be calculated
tester;exchange rate can not be calculated

Am I missing...
"Quod me alit, me extinguit" - Pericles, Prince of Tyre
  • #243
  • Jul 25, 2012 4:29pm Jul 25, 2012 4:29pm
hi supercat


i trade with two orders. my first order have r/r 1/2 . when my tp hit then trail my other trade with macd phase. any comment? please help me.


thanks for sharing your beautiful system and your help to us.


good luck
  • #244
  • Jul 25, 2012 4:55pm Jul 25, 2012 4:55pm
what do you mean by macd phase?

Quoting amiralifx
hi supercat


i trade with two orders. my first order have r/r 1/2 . when my tp hit then trail my other trade with macd phase. any comment? please help me.


thanks for sharing your beautiful system and your help to us.


good luck
"Quod me alit, me extinguit" - Pericles, Prince of Tyre
  • #245
  • Jul 26, 2012 2:54am Jul 26, 2012 2:54am
Don't know whats going on with the EA, I've tried a few different settings and different TF, different currencies and the EA just keeps losing. It does make a few good trades but the loses are much more.

Took a bad hit on my trades during that crazy stuff last night, but getting things back together and getting those pips. So now trying to make back some pips. Could have been worse.

This method is a winner and I've been making steady pips
With time I'll be even better with it.
  • #246
  • Jul 26, 2012 6:35am Jul 26, 2012 6:35am
coolyman,

Post your EA settings if you're having a problem. I ran the EA on GBP/NZD and got hit hard by the volatility yesterday. The EA should be trading exactly what you would trade manually with the system, so if the EA is doing poorly all your manual trades would have done poorly as well. There is no magic going on here.

If you see that the EA is placing trades irrationally, then please point this out with your settings so I can fix it.


Also supercat,

I added the partial closure of trades at the violation of a daily high/low. Did you want this to go into effect right when the Ask price violates the high or should we wait for a candle to close. Right now I have it implemented as the first option.
  • #247
  • Jul 26, 2012 7:18am Jul 26, 2012 7:18am
I missed today's best opportunity. eurjpy and eurusd.

Since the signals were given, they could have brought much pips.

But i went out for dinner. So, i didnt catch the 140 pips of eurjpy.

My order on Xagusd got triggered after my leave; it's still running on profit.

Guys could build ur confidence on the system by strictly sticking ro the entry rules; no matter how it make losses in choppy market.
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  • #248
  • Jul 26, 2012 7:28am Jul 26, 2012 7:28am
Quoting TheBrigadier
coolyman,

Post your EA settings if you're having a problem. I ran the EA on GBP/NZD and got hit hard by the volatility yesterday. The EA should be trading exactly what you would trade manually with the system, so if the EA is doing poorly all your manual trades would have done poorly as well. There is no magic going on here.

If you see that the EA is placing trades irrationally, then please point this out with your settings so I can fix it.


Also supercat,

I added the partial closure of trades at the violation of a daily...
Hi,Brigadier

i have two questions about using the EA.

1. having added the EA to chart, do i need add the MA ribbon indicators to charts which're provided by supercat?

2.Since the EA is based on 3/5 ema crosses on 15 min and daily charts. Do i need change the parameters of the indicators(supercats' indicators are the original 3/20 9/20 ema) or just add the EA to chart?

Thanks for ur effort on EA.
  • #249
  • Jul 26, 2012 8:51am Jul 26, 2012 8:51am
Quoting hotjoey
I missed today's best opportunity. eurjpy and eurusd.

Since the signals were given, they could have brought much pips.

But i went out for dinner. So, i didnt catch the 140 pips of eurjpy.

My order on Xagusd got triggered after my leave; it's still running on profit.

Guys could build ur confidence on the system by strictly sticking ro the entry rules; no matter how it make losses in choppy market.
HI MY FRIEND

eurjpy in bearish in daily tf. why you buy it?

you should waiting for sell segnal.

good luck
  • #250
  • Jul 26, 2012 11:40am Jul 26, 2012 11:40am
hotjoey,

Run the EA on the smaller (fast) timeframe chart. This in all likelihood means the 15 minute time frame. Set PeriodShort to 15 in the variable settings. The EA will function regardless of the indicators on your chart, but you may add the supercat's MA ribbons if you like. That's probably a good idea so you can confirm trades.

You can change the daily MAs with ShortEMA and LongEMA and the 15 minute MAs with the "Fast" versions of these variables. This doesn't need to match what you have on the chart, but it may get visually confusing if they don't.
  • #251
  • Jul 26, 2012 11:49am Jul 26, 2012 11:49am
Quoting lille bror
Hello everyone,
I'm pretty new to FF, so I only just found this thread, its a system thats quite similar to one I use so I hope I can learn a bit off you and hopefully even contribute to the thread a bit more in the future.

One question about the EA. I set it up on afew charts on demo this morning and it seems to be running fine. However I cannot get it to backtest successfully. The journal in the strategy tester has 2 messages;

tester;margin exchange rate can not be calculated
tester;exchange rate can not be calculated

Am I missing something...
Hmm, I have never encountered that problem. Were you backtesting on a currency or an index? I'm in the US so I have no clue what will happen when you run this on indices or metals.

Also, though this may have nothing to do with your problem, all the external variables are set for a 5 digit broker. 140 = 14 pips on a 5 digit broker. 14 = 14 pips on a 4 digit broker, but I never tested this on a 4 digit account. Just something to keep in mind.
  • #252
  • Jul 26, 2012 3:10pm Jul 26, 2012 3:10pm
Hi Brigadier,

Thanks for the Ea work. it looks to have great potential.
I still can't get it to backtest, that error message appeared when testing gbp/usd, ea standard settings, 5 digit broker.
I will just have to backtest visually to come up with appropriate settings for what I want.then forward test on demo to check results.

I did put it on 8 charts on demo today to test functionality with the different trade management options. I added appropriate ma's to visually confirm what was happening and I took the time settings down to 1min and 15min just so it would take a lot of trades so I could see what it was doing.
2 of the charts were gold and brent crude the other 6 were standard currency pairs.
I was not worried about trading results just a functionality test.

In general it performed very well. there was some erratic behaviour at the start but that may have just been because I was still jumping around the timeframes and settings too much and throwing it out of balance.
however there were a couple of things that came up more then once so I may aswell let you know.
One thing was that the range option was not always complied with, i had trades opened just 2 or 5 pips away from previous orders even when the range up and down were both set to 100 or 250.
the second was with stoploss option 1, I had this set to 60min, the s/l was placed behing the high/low of the current bar correctly but when the 60min bar changed the s/l followed it, I don't know if this was intended but basically in the first minute the s/l equalled the bar opening meaning that buffer was the full s/l, I had this set to 30 and the trade basically just got bounced out within seconds of the bar change. I'm not hat bothered by that one i prefer option 1 anyway.
As an additional question, in s/l option 2, is that supposed to keep moving up behind previous bars high/low? I had some trades close seemingly randomly before they hit the printed s/l. If that was the reason I like it, its good way to trail a stop to close the trades. If its not the reason, its a bit worrying.
even with those slight flaws it is still a very good Ea and I like it a lot.
BTW it worked on gold and brent just like it did on fx, no problems.

I will leave it running on a bunch of charts tomorrow and let you know if any thing comes up or if it all settles down.

Cheers

Lille bror
  • #253
  • Jul 26, 2012 3:12pm Jul 26, 2012 3:12pm
Quoting TheBrigadier
coolyman,

Post your EA settings if you're having a problem. I ran the EA on GBP/NZD and got hit hard by the volatility yesterday. The EA should be trading exactly what you would trade manually with the system, so if the EA is doing poorly all your manual trades would have done poorly as well. There is no magic going on here.

If you see that the EA is placing trades irrationally, then please point this out with your settings so I can fix it.


Also supercat,

I added the partial closure of trades at the violation of a daily high/low....

Brigadier

My settings are the same, I don't get it. I've played with the MA's some but the basic's are still the same. I've noticed that it would trade on different TF's but it close out the trades after about 15 pips, if it gets a good trade, but it gets SL out most of the time. Thats why I've tried different MA's but still the same thing happens???
  • #254
  • Jul 26, 2012 3:42pm Jul 26, 2012 3:42pm
hello again,

i've just been going through some more of the trades and can say pretty certainly,(for my PC anyway), that In s/l options 1 and 2 the ea is trailing the s/l behind the change of bar. This is not shown in the terminal. this is a particular problem with option 1, for the reasons I stated in the previous post. I only had a buffer of 30 to represent 2 x s/l but it meant i had a s/l of just 3pips when the bar changed. the same happens with option 2, trailing behind the previous bar. like I said I quite like this and it should not be a problem when using daily for the s/l, i just had it set to 6omin for this testing and some 60min bars are very small at this time of day so the s/l became very small when the bar changed. this change of s/l with the bar change is not edited in the trade readout in the terminal but seems to be carried out by the ea itself so it can appear a bit random when the trade stops out 30pips from the s/l but actually seems quite logical. maybe that explains some of the losses people are seeing.
maybe a fixed value trailing s/l would be an easier option?
no ideas about the rangeup/down thing. most of the time it seems to be obeyed but sometimes not.

Btw I am thinking I would probably switch the ea off after US session close to avoid entering during the typically low volatilty sideways asian,

Cheers

Lille bror
  • #255
  • Jul 26, 2012 5:08pm Jul 26, 2012 5:08pm
Brigadier,
The option what you have included right now is perfect..

thanks,
manny


Quoting TheBrigadier
coolyman,

Post your EA settings if you're having a problem. I ran the EA on GBP/NZD and got hit hard by the volatility yesterday. The EA should be trading exactly what you would trade manually with the system, so if the EA is doing poorly all your manual trades would have done poorly as well. There is no magic going on here.

If you see that the EA is placing trades irrationally, then please point this out with your settings so I can fix it.


Also supercat,

I added the partial closure of trades at the violation of a daily...
"Quod me alit, me extinguit" - Pericles, Prince of Tyre
  • #256
  • Jul 26, 2012 5:17pm Jul 26, 2012 5:17pm
Lille Bror:
Thanks for helping us in forward testing.

Excellent!!

Quoting lille bror
Hi Brigadier,

Thanks for the Ea work. it looks to have great potential.
I still can't get it to backtest, that error message appeared when testing gbp/usd, ea standard settings, 5 digit broker.
I will just have to backtest visually to come up with appropriate settings for what I want.then forward test on demo to check results.

I did put it on 8 charts on demo today to test functionality with the different trade management options. I added appropriate ma's to visually confirm what was happening and I took the time settings down to 1min...
"Quod me alit, me extinguit" - Pericles, Prince of Tyre
  • #257
  • Jul 26, 2012 6:56pm Jul 26, 2012 6:56pm
latest update
I changed the range of settings i was running to include different timeframes and came up with something interesting. The premature closure is definately something to do with candle changes but not neccesarily related to dragging up the s/l.
I am now running 12 charts, 3 timeframes,
1min with 15min
i run 2 on stoploss type 0, size 300,
one is set to TP at BE one is not
2 are set to stoploss type 2, period 60
one is set to TP at BE one is not

other tf's are
5min with 60min
15min with 240min
same set of 4 charts with stoploss period set to 240 and 1440 respectively.

Ok so the interesting thing was that there was that there was a whole bunch of trades running across the range of timeframes, exactly when the half hour changed all of the trades opened on the 1 ,15min tf's, across all relevant pairs, closed abitrarily while all the trades running on the higher TF's kept runningthis has happened 3 consecutive times and it didn't matter which stoploss method was selected.
this set has not been running too long yet so maybe the same thing will happen to the higher TF trades at a longer interval I will have to wait and see.
maybe anyone else who has had problems with trades closing arbitrarily could check the times they closed to see if they happened at candle changes or if they happened simultaneously across different pairs.

Incidentally, the rangeup/down settings seem to be holding on all trades so far

I am running on a 5 digit broker, each setup running on a seperate pair so that they don't interfere with each other. I chose the 1,15 min combo purely as a way to see it carry out a lot of trades in a short time.

I'll let you know what happens with the other setups tomorrow.

Cheers

Lille bror
  • #258
  • Jul 27, 2012 3:29am Jul 27, 2012 3:29am
Hello again,
so I have just been going through the trades that ran through the night and have one last update.
nearly all the 5min 60min trades shut down too with just a couple left running, all the 5min 240 are still running, however There were some trades that lasted through 1 or more bar changes but did shut down later. I might be wrong but as far as I can see it lines up like this.
when the higher TF candle changes, all Negative trades are closed, positive trades seem to be left to run.

I had missed this just running ,1,15 settings because there was too little time for trades to turn positive before the next candle change but it became more apparent on the 5,60.

So thats about all I think I can do right now, I hope it helps.
I do hope the bugs can be ironed out and I look forward to version 2, I really think this EA has potential if it works properly

Cheers

Lille Bror
  • #259
  • Jul 27, 2012 4:01am Jul 27, 2012 4:01am
buy gbpusd @1.5691 sl:1.5665 tp : 1.5743

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  • #260
  • Jul 27, 2012 5:36am Jul 27, 2012 5:36am
hello again,
just one last thought on the ea, my ideal take profit method would probably be a close all order on a price close below a single ma on a timeframe and period which you can specify in the options but not neccesarily the same as the ones used for initiating trades. I think that would be very versatile.

so that will be the last from me for a while but i'll come back and help forward test again if you get version 2 running.

good luck with everything

Lille Bror
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