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  • #1
  • First Post: Jun 23, 2012 4:02am Jun 23, 2012 4:02am
Through out these threads we often see posts telling us to think outside the box,another classic is look at the white space to name a few.and it seems most continue to remain very tighly sealed into the box and only see the white space,

so has anybody tried to and found anything outside the box or managed to find things in the white space,whilst on a drug enhancing substances ?
  • #2
  • Jun 23, 2012 4:46am Jun 23, 2012 4:46am
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219289/
  • #3
  • Jun 23, 2012 4:52am Jun 23, 2012 4:52am
Quoting mister me
Through out these threads we often see posts telling us to think outside the box,another classic is look at the white space to name a few.and it seems most continue to remain very tighly sealed into the box and only see the white space,

so has anybody tried to and found anything outside the box or managed to find things in the white space,whilst on a drug enhancing substances ?
no need for looking outside the box. Everything has already been invented with regards to trading, it's just a matter of finding out what works and what doesn't.
  • #4
  • Jun 23, 2012 4:58am Jun 23, 2012 4:58am
Quoting EmeraldEyes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219289/
very on topic,looks like a good movie,

Francis Crick Discovers DNA Thanks to LSD

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleim...rugs/crick.jpg

The Accomplishment:
In 1953 in Cambridge, Crick burst through the front door of his home spouting what his wife Odile originally thought was crazy jibberish about two spirals twisting in opposite directions from one another. Like all great rock star's wives, Odile was an artist, and drew exactly what her husband described. Then the pair and research partner James Watson all went out to a pub and got drunk.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleim...ugs/crick2.jpg
Above: Science?





To do what Crick did required an insane amount of analytical, theoretical, and spatial thinking. It's not like Crick dropped out of high school and then used acid to turn himself into a supergenius.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleim...ugs/crick4.jpg

Crick was a fan of Aldous Huxley's The Doors of Perception (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doors_of_Perception), a study of the human mind which was undertaken like all good studies, while driving around LA on mescaline.
Huxley wrote that the sober mind has a series of filters on it that basically prevent abstract thought (evolution put them there for the sake of survival, since having daydreams about the nature of the universe while driving can cause you to plow into a semi). But Huxley and Crick thought drugs like mescaline and LSD could temporarily remove those filters.


  • #5
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:00am Jun 23, 2012 5:00am
Quoting Custos
no need for looking outside the box. Everything has already been invented with regards to trading, it's just a matter of finding out what works and what doesn't.

you dont really believe that do you ?
  • #6
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:01am Jun 23, 2012 5:01am
Well Custos, you remind me Bill Gates saying "640k memory should be enough for everyone". Algos, quantitative trading, HFT, all recently invented/developed stuff, do you think innovation will just stop?
forget about tomorrow, just steal away into the night
  • #7
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:03am Jun 23, 2012 5:03am
Quoting spekitox
Well Custos, you remind me Bill Gates saying "640k memory should be enough for everyone". Algos, quantitative trading, HFT, all recently invented/developed stuff, do you think innovation will just stop?
of course innovation will not stop, but in order to be profitable you don't have to invent something or think outside the box. Everything needed to be profitable has already been invented. Period.
  • #8
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:04am Jun 23, 2012 5:04am
Quoting mister me
you dont really believe that do you ?
I do believe that, why shouldn't I?
  • #9
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:09am Jun 23, 2012 5:09am
Quoting Custos
I do believe that, why shouldn't I?
point lost !

the title is to encourage thought and debate outside the realms of what most threads tend to debate
  • #10
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:12am Jun 23, 2012 5:12am
Quoting mister me
point lost !

the title is to encourage thought and debate outside the realms of what most threads tend to debate
okay, then back to the thread: drugs are bad and shouldn't be a means to an end.
  • #11
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:13am Jun 23, 2012 5:13am
Quoting mister me
very on topic,looks like a good movie,
It is. He makes millions trading forex.
  • #12
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:28am Jun 23, 2012 5:28am
Quoting Custos
of course innovation will not stop, but in order to be profitable you don't have to invent something or think outside the box. Everything needed to be profitable has already been invented. Period.
"As it has been for millions of years. Dammit!"

Profit is irrespective of circumstances, it's what you make of the existing circumstances.

I 'innovate' almost every day, and see great swaths of areas of trading that haven't even been touched.

Why do most would-be traders lose, for instance?
Innovation can tackle that.
  • #13
  • Jun 23, 2012 5:41am Jun 23, 2012 5:41am
Quoting ha-pattern
"As it has been for millions of years. Dammit!"

I 'innovate' almost every day, and see great swaths of areas of trading that haven't even been touched.

Why do most would-be traders lose, for instance?
exactly ha pattern,most traders have the wrong perspective .infact one could say its pre determined by the way they percieve information,
how can we unlock the way we veiw information
http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/u...rain/thumb.jpg (http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/11/understanding-your-brain-for-better-design-left-vs-right/)The concept of the left and right brain only lately popped up in the late 1960′s, but since has become a well-known part of human psychology.
While we all use both sides of the brain, each of us has a dominant side, and this dominant side makes up for a huge part of our personalities.
Each individual thinks a certain way, has more interest in certain areas, and above and beyond all — is most effective in certain ways.




Our brain is divided into two halves, as most of us know: the left and right side. Each side processes information very differently than the other, and the biggest difference is the visual aspect


Right Brain

Those with a right-side dominant brain depend more on visual references for understanding and are often times visual learners.
They are more emotional, swayed by feelings, and are able to better understand and reflect on these feelings. Furthermore, right-brained thinkers are very intuitive and curious about the world.
Finally, as a down side, they tend to be disorganized, lacking in time-management, and unable to prioritize well.
Left Brain

The left brain is the side that handles organization and logic.
Because of this, those that have a dominant left side are also very organized; they prefer schedules and deadlines, and love rules and regulations. They are more auditory learners, and are better at using words to remember things rather than visual aids.
They process ideas in a step-by-step, algorithmic way, and are therefore less prone to error.


Their Relation to Art, Design, and Creativity

As one may have probably already guessed, those with dominance in the right brain may be more naturally creative.
It’s easy to assume this because for one, right-brained thinkers are less common than left, so it seems as though one would be seeing the world differently from everyone else.
  • #14
  • Jun 23, 2012 6:40am Jun 23, 2012 6:40am
There are many techniques available to help us unravel and become more in tune to this forex information.

many years ago i had a relaitionship with an art therapist,it was infact this fine lady who taught me to adjust my perceptions and how to reach into both hemisperes of my mind and gain fresh more profound detail.

with out going into great detail,which is available in many books related to portrait painting.but what she infact done was retrain my brain,she taught me how to draw perfect portraits by (for a better word)tripping into my more redundant side of my brain.Lsd maywell be quicker but not recomended,it took 6 weeks from complete novice to very exact portraits. ive continued to benifit within the forex using similar,some who practice yoga and meditation will reconize some of what im trying to say.

if we can enhance how we use the information infront of us the walls to the box start to open up.
  • #15
  • Jun 23, 2012 7:22am Jun 23, 2012 7:22am
This is getting interesting. You're right, some things are rather ineffable - even if there are no drugs involved. So how did you learn to draw portraits, with or without drugs? This one is unclear.

Quoting mister me
There are many techniques available to help us unravel and become more in tune to this forex information.

many years ago i had a relaitionship with an art therapist,it was infact this fine lady who taught me to adjust my perceptions and how to reach into both hemisperes of my mind and gain fresh more profound detail.
forget about tomorrow, just steal away into the night
  • #16
  • Jun 23, 2012 12:46pm Jun 23, 2012 12:46pm
Quoting spekitox
This is getting interesting. You're right, some things are rather ineffable - even if there are no drugs involved. So how did you learn to draw portraits, with or without drugs? This one is unclear.
hi spekitox,
no drugs were involved in this .its about how we take information and understand that information,without going to far forward,i would like to ask any readers to take the brain test.theres no right or wrong .just post if your right minded or left minded.
http://mindmedia.com/braintest.html
  • #17
  • Jun 23, 2012 1:15pm Jun 23, 2012 1:15pm
Quoting mister me
hi spekitox,
no drugs were involved in this .its about how we take information and understand that information,without going to far forward,i would like to ask any readers to take the brain test.theres no right or wrong .just post if your right minded or left minded.
http://mindmedia.com/braintest.html
i took it..


Your Brain Usage Profile:

Auditory : 40%
Visual : 60%
Left : 64%
Right : 35%

PrymeTyme, you are somewhat left-hemisphere dominant and show a preference for visual learning, although not extreme in either characteristic. You probably tend to do most things in moderation, but not always.

Your left-hemisphere dominance implies that your learning style is organized and structured, detail oriented and logical. Your visual preference, though, has you seeking stimulation and multiple data. Such an outlook can overwhelm structure and logic and create an almost continuous state of uncertainty and agitation. You may well suffer a feeling of continually trying to "catch up" with yourself.

Your tendency to be organized and logical and attend to details is reasonably well-established which should afford you success regardless of your chosen field of endeavor. You can "size up" situations and take in information rapidly. However, you must then subject that data to being classified and organized which causes you to "lose touch" with the immediacy of the problem.

Your logical and methodical nature hamper you in this regard though in the long run it may work to your advantage since you "learn from experience" and can go through the process more rapidly on subsequent occasions.

You remain predominantly functional in your orientation and practical. Abstraction and theory are secondary to application. In keeping with this, you focus on details until they manifest themselves in a unique pattern and only then work with the "larger whole."

With regards to your career choices, you have a mentality that would be good as a scientist, coach, athlete, design consultant, or an engineering technician. You can "see where you want to go" and even be able to "tell yourself," but find that you are "fighting yourself" at the darndest times.
  • #18
  • Jun 23, 2012 1:40pm Jun 23, 2012 1:40pm
Quoting PrymeTyme
i took it..


Your Brain Usage Profile:

Auditory : 40%
Visual : 60%
Left : 64%
Right : 35%

[i]PrymeTyme, you are somewhat left-hemisphere dominant and show a preference for visual learning, although not extreme in either characteristic. You probably tend to do most things in moderation, but not always.

Your left-hemisphere dominance implies that your learning style is organized and structured, detail oriented and logical. Your visual preference, though, has you seeking stimulation and multiple data. Such an outlook can overwhelm structure...
Me too

Your Brain Usage Profile:
Auditory : 41%
Visual : 58%
Left : 42%
Right : 57%

No matter which side of your brain is dominant, Mind Media can strengthen
your emotional brain power by helping you understand how you feel about yourself.


you possess an interesting balance of hemispheric and sensory characteristics, with a slight right-brain dominance and a slight preference for visual processing. Since neither of these is completely centered, you lack the indecision and second-guessing associated with other patterns. You have a distinct preference for creativity and intuition with seemingly sufficient verbal skills to be able to translate in any meaningful way to yourself and others.



You tend to see things in "wholes" without surrendering the ability to attend to details. You can give them sufficient notice to be able to utitlize and incorporate them as part of an overall pattern.



In the same way, while you are active and process information simultaneously, you demonstrate a capacity for sequencing as well as reflection which allows for some "inner dialogue."



All in all, you are likely to be quite content with yourself and your style although at times it will not necessarily be appreciated by others. You have sufficient confidence to not second-guess yourself, but rather to use your critical faculties in a way that enhances, rather than limits, your creativity.



You can learn in either mode although far more efficiently within the visual mode. It is likely that in listening to conversations or lecture materials you simultaneously translate into pictures which enhance and elaborate on the meaning.



It is most likely that you will gravitate towards those endeavors which are predominantly visual but include some logic or structuring. You may either work particularly hard at cultivating your auditory skills or risk "missing out" on being able to efficiently process what you learn. Your own intuitive skills will at times interfere with your capacity to listen to others, which is something else you may need to take into account.
  • #19
  • Jun 23, 2012 2:13pm Jun 23, 2012 2:13pm
heres my result
Your Brain Usage Profile:
Auditory : 56%
Visual : 43%
Left : 52%
Right : 47%



your hemispheric dominance is equally divided between left and right brain, while you show a moderate preference for auditory versus visual learning, signs of a balanced and flexible person. Your balance gives you the enviable capacity to be verbal and literate while retaining a certain "flair" and individuality. You are logical and compliant but only to a degree. You are organized without being compulsive, goal-directed without being driven, and a "thinking" individual without being excessively so.
The one problem you might have is that your learning might not be as efficient as you would like. At times you will work from the specific to the general, while at other times you'll work from the general to the specific. Sometimes you will be logical in your approach while at other times random. Since you cannot always control the choice, you may experience frustrations not normally felt by persons with a more defined and directed learning style.
You may also minimally experience conflicts associated with auditory processing. You will be systematic and sequential in your processing of information, you will most often focus on a single dimension of the problem or material, and you will be more reflective, i.e., "taking the data in" as opposed to "devouring" it.
Overall, you should feel content with your life and yourself. You are, perhaps, a little too critical of yourself - and of others - while maintaining an "openness" which is redeeming. Indecisiveness is a problem and your creativity is not in keeping with your potential. Being a pragmatist, you downplay this aspect of yourself and focus on the more immediate, the more obvious and the more functional.
  • #20
  • Jun 23, 2012 3:15pm Jun 23, 2012 3:15pm
Quoting mister me


Right Brain

Those with a right-side dominant brain depend more on visual references
Doesn't seem it's always that way;

Your Brain Usage Profile:
Auditory : 60%
Visual : 40%
Left : 44%
Right : 55%


“slim, you show a slight right-hemisphere dominance with a moderate preference for auditory processing, an unusual and somewhat paradoxical combination of characteristics.



You are drawn to a random and sometimes nonchalant synthesis of material. You learn as it seems important to a specific situation, and might even develop a resentment of others who attempt to direct your learning down a specific channel.
Your right-hemispheric dominance provides a structure that is only loosely organized and one which processes entire swatches of reality, overlooking details. You are emotional in your reactions and perceptual more than logical in your approach, although you can impose structure and a language base when necessary.
Your auditory preference, on the other hand, implies that you process information sequentially and unidimensionally. This combination of right-brain and auditory modes creates conflict, as you want to process data more rapidly than your natural processes allow.



Your tendency to be creative and free-flowing is accompanied by sufficient ability to organize and be logical, allowing you a reasonable degree of success in a number of different endeavors. You take in information methodically and systematically which can then be synthesized rapidly. In this manner, you manage to function consistently well, although certainly less efficiently than you desire.



You prefer the abstract and are a theoretician at heart while retaining the ability to be practical. You find the symbolism in a great deal of what you encounter and are something of a "mystic."



With regards to your lifestyle, you have the mentality which would be good as a philosopher, writer, journalist, or instructor, or possibly as a systems designer or social worker. Perhaps most important is your ability to "listen to your inner voice" as a mode of skipping over unnecessary steps to achieve your goals."


Not sure if I agree with all of the analysis but there it is.
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