Quote from ScalperJoe:
[b]snowrider,
I am discussing the current waves with trader collegue regarding the S&P, and we have come to the following conclusion that Wave 5 of Wave 3 has completed, and the S&P is currently in Wave 4. I've also read and heard that Wave 4 of the larger pattern already occurred, however our analysis is there has not been any significant pullback to justify a completed Wave 4.
Our wave counts of the larger pattern (weekly chart):
Wave 1 from 1,075 to 1,293
Wave 2 from 1,293 to 1,159
Wave 3 from 1,159 to 1,422
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ScalperJoe- Thanks for sharing your thought. That scenario is a good and valid one. Please see attached wave count. Your wave count is labeled there as [A][b][C][D][E] in green line alternative count. Currently my preferred count is that a wave-[[b]] (which is your wave-3) has ended, and a big collapse all the way to 960 area in the end of this year is underway. I will pay very close attention if SP ever goes to 1320 area to see if it has any sign of bottoming there. The 1320 area will be the cross road between a real collapse or a final leg up. http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attach...postid=3496092
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One question for you is that you think we are still in the wave 4 from peak of 2000? What formation will this wave 4 take?
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busted - Thanks for commenting. Yes, I agree with you (kind of) that EW "is very complicated". But I would like to say that it is very easy to use in trading (because EW has some rules for validating a wave). About your question if "we are still in the wave 4 from peak of 2000", that is what my assumption for labelling 667 (2009) as [[[C]]] is based on. With that assumption, the "wave 4" is in the formation of a huge triangle. About QE3, I don't care, and I never care any FA stuff.
Quote from ScalperJoe:
[b]Got it, thanks. However, I'm curious as to how you get the 960 target, and what is the scenario for it to occur this year?
If it breaks 1,320 then perhaps it goes flatline to around 1,250-1,290 range during mid-summer (near mid-point of 5 wave pattern which began last October), before closing out in the black for 2012.
Without some climactic event (war, lack of additional QE, hyperinflation, Euro/dollar collapse, etc), I'm not sure the market is poised break the prior two years of intrayear lows and to fall to 960....
ScalperJoe - Thanks for nice commenting. About the 960 area target, it is just at a 0.382 fib ratio from 2009-03 lo to the recent hi. I would like to take back what I mentioned last time about the timing of the end of this year. I mentioned that because I wanted to load something for next year by the end of this year. The actual timing could be 2013-09 to see the big cycle low. When the time is there, and when the price is at a fib ratio (say, 0.5 at 1045), that will be an excellent opportunity to load.
Quote from toc: Snowrider,
given that you have been doing the EW for sometime now, what percentage of your calls prove to be good. have never been into EW although use Fib retracements etc. at times.
toc - The successful rate of my purple lines (preferred counts) is about 50% (half-half), so it is nothing special and nothing significant by simply following my purple lines. However, the good thing and advantage of using EW for trading because it provides some strict rules so that we know where to go and where to stop once our preferred counts are wrong.
Quote from ScalperJoe:
[b]snowrider,
Given the recent swings in SPX, is it safe to interpret the past five down bars as "A" and today's snap back rally as "B" of Wave 4, which may last a few more days, followed by a "C" wave back down? The way I read the current pattern, the SPX falls below its current 50 day moving average of 1,370 again, thus completing the A-B-C pattern in Wave 4.
However, I find the difficulty in EW analysis is in attempting to pinpoint the accuracy of when Wave 4 ends and when Wave 5 begins, until of course after...
ScalperJoe - Yes, that is a way of counting this if we predict that the downward movement is in ABC mode. Another way of counting this is to treat the 5 down bars as wave 1 of the downward movement, so we just about finishing wave 2. There are many other ways of counting this. My trading philosophy is trying to lay out as many possible counts as I can, and then watch those critical area to see if there is any reversal sign (in order to confirm which count is more likely and to trade).
Quote from Wide Tailz: So we all anticipate the SP500 coming down from the bear flag. This consensus makes me nervous... traders rarely agree!
Wide Tailz - Thanks for commenting. I am nervous too because the market won't let people make money so easily. See my purple line wave count has a wave-2 in a bull trap formation. I would like to see a pop before the market starts moving down.
It's good that SP futures pulls up a lot before the market opens. We will need to watch to see if the cash index would fall below the starting point of last up waves - the low of 04/23/2012 in order to decide which count is valid.
If 04/23/2012's low is breached, the wave count of 04/28/2012's post becomes valid. Otherwise, last weekend's count is valid.
