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  • #101
  • Apr 20, 2012 10:21am Apr 20, 2012 10:21am
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  • #102
  • Apr 20, 2012 11:19am Apr 20, 2012 11:19am
Quoting forexhard
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I can probably do this but basically this is what it already does. The issue is the lines that exactly hit the threshold. Since in your picture you don't draw the cross these would be all on 1 bar and maybe not visible. So for example you wouldn't see the fractal bar that has exactly 5 hits. I would like to address this issue but if you don't care I can put out a release with just the buffering.
  • #103
  • Apr 20, 2012 11:43am Apr 20, 2012 11:43am
Quoting Paradox
I can probably do this but basically this is what it already does. The issue is the lines that exactly hit the threshold. Since in your picture....
When there is a slight discrepancy between what I say and what I draw, always go with the written description first. So if i say I want to see "5", then make the indicator show 5, even if in your opinion my picture is drawing a 6 or a 7.

Yes, the blue bars will probably over-draw onto the orange threshold line. But they should not go any further (towards the CZ Heatmap) than that, nor should there be any red histos showing. All I want to see are the orange lines and the blue histos. Then there should be a no-mans-land 1 or 2 bars in width before coming to the CZ Heatmap centerpiece.
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  • #104
  • Apr 20, 2012 12:44pm Apr 20, 2012 12:44pm
Quoting forexhard
When there is a slight discrepancy between what I say and what I draw, always go with the written description first. So if i say I want to see "5", then make the indicator show 5, even if in your opinion my picture is drawing a 6 or a 7.

Yes, the blue bars will probably over-draw onto the orange threshold line. But they should not go any further (towards the CZ Heatmap) than that, nor should there be any red histos showing. All I want to see are the orange lines and the blue histos. Then there should be a...
I am referring to your fractal picture a few posts back where you specifically circle the 5 point fractal and question why it shows up the way it does. But the way it works is when you just show thresholds and say your max value is say 6 then in the new display you really only have values of 1 and 2. The way the drawing code works is to display the best picture of the data in the space it is given. So if you go to a smaller range then the zoomed in picture is going to look different and have more detail. Same goes to the shape of the heatmap. Just like zooming in on a chart the ratios and layout is going to change.

I am almost done a basic new version that should be cleaner in these ideas and have the buffer so we can discuss with that one. I have been very busy on other work today so looks like I am not going to get that out till after markets close.
  • #105
  • Apr 20, 2012 1:50pm Apr 20, 2012 1:50pm
Here is a new version with the buffer lines and simplified drawing that should be a bit more in sync with the standard histos.

Also in case you didn't know the absolute value of the lines is in their description so you can hover the mouse over any of them and see the value that it is based off.
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  • #106
  • Apr 20, 2012 2:11pm Apr 20, 2012 2:11pm
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  • #107
  • Apr 20, 2012 2:20pm Apr 20, 2012 2:20pm
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  • #108
  • Apr 20, 2012 4:12pm Apr 20, 2012 4:12pm
Here is a new version addressing 2 of your issues.

I can not make it less spiky because that is the actual real data that has spikes. I didn't think we wanted to smooth the data in anyway. Without making the drawing function stupid in some way the only other way to remove the spikes is to force the display into only 3 bars like the original histogram is constrained too.

EDIT: I can never visually see the different buffer sizes like in your picture. I did try to normalize the time values though so I think your issue should be resolved. Let me know either way.
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  • #109
  • Apr 20, 2012 5:14pm Apr 20, 2012 5:14pm
Quoting Paradox
Here is a new version addressing 2 of your issues.

I can not make it less spiky because that is the actual real data that has spikes. I didn't think we wanted to smooth the data in anyway....
Yep, those last two issues are fixed.

RE the spikes: Hey, if the current display is more accurate than the old one, that's all you have to say! Hands off!! LOL

OK, this will be the final mod for the 3-in-1. We're adding in some dashed lines again, only this time to highlight an outer hit value.

Nothing from the current display changes. Nothing at all. This is being added to what you just created.

We will need 2 more inputs named HeatmapOuterThreshold and FractalOuterThreshold. Set their defaults as 70 and 8, just like in the pic. It's OK to make it the same color as the solid line. I just used black here to make it stand out more.

Also, the header gets a slight mod. Make it just like the pic as well.

This is the final histo mod. The next round of mods will target the interior of the 3 frames. Basically we want to make the indi resemble the Squalou indicator in every possible way, but with our customizations of course.
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  • #110
  • Apr 20, 2012 6:14pm Apr 20, 2012 6:14pm
Quoting forexhard
Yep, those last two issues are fixed.

RE the spikes: Hey, if the current display is more accurate than the old one, that's all you have to say! Hands off!! LOL

OK, this will be the final mod for the 3-in-1. We're adding in some dashed lines again, only this time to highlight an outer hit value.

Nothing from the current display changes. Nothing at all. This is being added to what you just created.

We will need 2 more inputs named HeatmapOuterThreshold and FractalOuterThreshold. Set their defaults as 70 and 8, just like...
Ok all those changes make sense but I will probably not get to them until next week. Let me know of any other changes you have planned. Might be quicker that way.
  • #111
  • Edited 10:37pm Apr 20, 2012 10:02pm | Edited 10:37pm
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Let me know of any other changes you have planned....

Nothing fancy. Just add our new 3-in-1 codes to the original Squalou v.13 indicator and post it here (not the Stairsteps thread).

This mod includes adding the 3 frames as well as the 3-in-1. In short, everything we just made gets merged with the Sq. indi.
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  • #112
  • Apr 21, 2012 7:53am Apr 21, 2012 7:53am
There will be a couple of places where the codes overlap and we get redundancies. In these cases we will need to figure out which codes to give the function over to.

Both indis can make CZ boxes, for example. So in this case we should have the Sq. indi performing this function, and delete all competeing codes from the 3-in-1. So from now on only the Sq. codes should be locating and painting CZ's, and it will be connected to the CZ Heatmap so the heatmap can use that data for its display.

FYI, I don't have an actual preference of one set of codes over the other. I can't code myself, remember. It's just that since the Sq. indi already paints the extended CZ, plus the buffer lines, and the trade arrows, etc., I figure it makes sense to go with those codes instead of making you duplicate them.

If there are any other redundancies we'll need to figure them out as we go.
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  • #113
  • Apr 21, 2012 8:13am Apr 21, 2012 8:13am
Quoting forexhard
Nothing fancy. Just add our new 3-in-1 codes to the original Squalou v.13 indicator and post it here (not the Stairsteps thread).

This mod includes adding the 3 frames as well as the 3-in-1. In short, everything we just made gets merged with the Sq. indi.
Yeah that is not fancy. I don't think I can do this though. Why wouldn't you just use both indicators if you need them. I would like to add any useful squalou indicator features to this indicator but you will have to specify them if you want me to make something that I can maintain.

Comes down to this. squalou code = really nice, my code = really nice(IMHO) : merged code = real mess of entirely redundant functionality.

If you still really want this for some reason then I could maybe do it one off. But I will not be interested in trying to enhance or maintain the merged codebase.

Here are the not included squalou features with my comments on them.

Beams and Buffer lines: I love these that is why I made a manual control to give them to me. I could add these but I don't expressly need them so you will have to specify how you want them added. I personally like the loose 30/30 setting for CZ map scoring but would like my marked up tradeable boxes to be fewer and more flexible. So there is not a perfect marriage here that I am seeing.

Breakout signal arrows: I like these but I like to see them on my own boxes you will have to give me some pointers.

Fib Levels: I don't use these but they do look nice.

Stats: I can't see the point of a direct port since the squalou indicator has everything you need to optimize and get this info. If there are additional stats ideas related to this indicator that would be awesome to add just give me the details.
  • #114
  • Apr 21, 2012 10:27am Apr 21, 2012 10:27am
Understood. In that case there's just that last little mod request, and then any tightening you'd like to do in order to make it work with the Sq. indi in tandem as good as can be expected. It is my intention to use them together, so just bear that in mind as you finish up.

It's been great working with you. Thanks again for all your time and effort!
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  • #115
  • Apr 21, 2012 7:16pm Apr 21, 2012 7:16pm
Quoting forexhard
Understood. In that case there's just that last little mod request, and then any tightening you'd like to do in order to make it work with the Sq. indi in tandem as good as can be expected. It is my intention to use them together, so just bear that in mind as you finish up.

It's been great working with you. Thanks again for all your time and effort!
Ok am not sure what you mean by expected and in tandem.

From looking at the code I had thought my code was not exactly the same because my CZ can grow in height until they hit the max height but I thought squalou's would lock at some point. So I wanted to observe the behavior and verify for you any differences. It seems to me that the squalou indicator is off when the settings are exact pips but perhaps I am missing something in the definition of a CZ.

Can you just look at the screen shots and decide if my definition is ok or not and let me know if you need a change in logic. These are with exact 30/30 settings in both indicators.

I thought you were just getting started but I am fine with stopping now. Thanks very much for your input it has helped me break out of a few ruts in my thinking.
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  • #116
  • Apr 21, 2012 7:41pm Apr 21, 2012 7:41pm
What I mean is that I will be watching the Sq. indicator for CZ's and the 3-in-1 for the CZ Heatmap. So obviously, since they are not physically connected to each other, they must still be counted on to line up as closely as possible (expected).

My reason for asking you to put everything into a single package was to bypass this question mark. But we are past that point, having decided that 2 independent indis are the better solution. Which is perfectly fine, so long as there is no doubt that the data from each is identical, or nearly so.

Those screen shots are of different days, so it's impossible to tell if they are lining up correctly. It's also difficult to read your pics since they are skewed and skinny.

Anyway, look, the only question is whether these 2 independent indicators are each displying the same information, but each in their own way. If that's really happening, then I'm going to be happy with the results.

As for what other work there is to do, this heatmap project is as complete and as practical as I had ever imagined, so there's really nothing more to do here. Any steps beyond your next release (besides fixing any bugs) would involve the EA project again.
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  • #117
  • Apr 22, 2012 11:20am Apr 22, 2012 11:20am
Quoting forexhard
What I mean is that I will be watching the Sq. indicator for CZ's and the 3-in-1 for the CZ Heatmap. So obviously, since they are not physically connected to each other, they must still be counted on to line up as closely as possible (expected).

My reason for asking you to put everything into a single package was to bypass this question mark. But we are past that point, having decided that 2 independent indis are the better solution. Which is perfectly fine, so long as there is no doubt that the data from each is identical, or nearly so....
Yes they basically lineup but as my pictures showed(You are not suppose to compare them with each other) there is differences especially since the fixed pip algorithm in the sqaulou indicator seems to lock at exact pips and does not work off the highs and lows. Since my cz algorithm is very simple and easy to understand and explain I would like to keep it as is.

For the EA since I am trading this now I will surely play with anything FXSpin puts out and since I am always hacking I will probably be able to help out. I am currently going to build a basic ea to work off of manual boxes since I need something to let me go to sleep and still catch the breakouts.

Here are the images again with the discrepancies circled. Also the latest version of the code.
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  • #118
  • Apr 22, 2012 10:53pm Apr 22, 2012 10:53pm
The indi is showing more hits, more "heat", than has actually happened over 4000 bars. Notes on pic...
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  • #119
  • Apr 22, 2012 11:01pm Apr 22, 2012 11:01pm
More trouble (maybe) with the Ignore Box...
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  • #120
  • Apr 23, 2012 8:40am Apr 23, 2012 8:40am
Almost 10 hours later and no longer inside the Ignore Box, and it still shows up wrong...
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