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  • #41
  • Apr 11, 2012 10:48am Apr 11, 2012 10:48am
Nice update.

Before and after pics attached for my box idea. Note: The box does not include the current bar or the histo.

Also, could we have a way to adjust the position of the histo itself? I'd like to be able to move both artifacts more to the right, and I'd like a second input for putting more space between them as well.
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  • #42
  • Apr 11, 2012 12:03pm Apr 11, 2012 12:03pm
Quoting forexhard
Nice update.

Before and after pics attached for my box idea. Note: The box does not include the current bar or the histo.

Also, could we have a way to adjust the position of the histo itself? I'd like to be able to move both artifacts more to the right, and I'd like a second input for putting more space between them as well.
I exposed the position props and made it multi valued.

I don't think you can even draw a rectangle like that in MT4. I can't in my mt4 but here is my best attempt.

Basically the rectangle leftright edges intersect at the bars that are actually included in the calculations.
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  • #43
  • Apr 11, 2012 12:13pm Apr 11, 2012 12:13pm
Sure you can. I have several indis that do exactly what I've described. Here's one painting 3 overlapping boxes: 1 at 30 bars (the small solid orange box) , 1 at 1000 bars (black frame), and 1 at 4000 bars (gold frame) all working together. Each one has custom color and thickness selections.
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  • #44
  • Apr 11, 2012 12:55pm Apr 11, 2012 12:55pm
Quoting forexhard
Sure you can. I have several indis that do exactly what I've described. Here's one painting 3 overlapping boxes: 1 at 30 bars (the small solid orange box) , 1 at 1000 bars (black frame), and 1 at 4000 bars (gold frame) all working together. Each one has custom color and thickness selections.
No I made it hollow. That is not what I meant. In your picture the left edge was between 2 bars. I can't see a way to do that manual or otherwise.
  • #45
  • Apr 11, 2012 2:15pm Apr 11, 2012 2:15pm
I see what you mean. That gray box was just something I made in in Paint. That pic is not from an actual chart indi. The triple-box pic is though.

You are correct. The MT4-created boxes will divide the extreme Left/Right candles down the center. And those candles do count in the values.
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  • #46
  • Apr 12, 2012 12:47am Apr 12, 2012 12:47am
Working great so far.

2 cosmetic mods, please:

1. In the attached pic I've highlighted the empty histo place markers. Is there any way to make their color match the threshold line?

2. Please completely remove the Start Line feature.

I can't think of anything more. It's a done deal. Great job, Paradox. I'm really liking the indi a lot. Many Thanks!

What were those ideas you mentioned regarding the Funnel indi?
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  • #47
  • Apr 12, 2012 10:42am Apr 12, 2012 10:42am
Quoting forexhard
Working great so far.

2 cosmetic mods, please:

1. In the attached pic I've highlighted the empty histo place markers. Is there any way to make their color match the threshold line?

2. Please completely remove the Start Line feature.

I can't think of anything more. It's a done deal. Great job, Paradox. I'm really liking the indi a lot. Many Thanks!

What were those ideas you mentioned regarding the Funnel indi?
I could change them but then you just have odd colored dots here and there. What if we just draw another line like the threshold line down the zero line. Then we don't draw the 0 Histo lines but can still see the whole range.

The Start Line has a color feature. In the color selector you can set it to None. I will change that to the default.

I am taking a small pause on this indicator so I can work on other stuff(Indicator,Trading, and mundane day job). I do want to add the feature that it can just make the histogram from a manually drawn box. Then I can use the same code on an arbitrary amount of boxes to analyse them.

For the Funnel Indicator I am not sure if I have the ideas. I see the potential for defining and seeing a lot of price action patterns but it is all still at the periphery of my consciousness. Beyond using it as a clever way to define CZs and Funnels I am a bit lost.I really like your discrete and straightforward way of looking at price action and would like to continue working on stuff that lets me learn more.

I only just started my prototype code so it will be a few days before I can post something good enough to get some feedback. I am only really stuck on one question.

You never defined the unlocking criteria. I though to start with just using breakouts but this does not work when the boxes are shifted and price is already outside of them. Any hints here would help me currently.

Not as important right now but still a question. In the other thread I do not understand your comment about the heatmap going in the space between the boxes. Can you be more detailed I think I am missing something?

Well thanks for all the input I will stop now because I could keep typing questions forever. Maybe if I keep it in manageable chunks you will answer them.
  • #48
  • Apr 12, 2012 11:34am Apr 12, 2012 11:34am
Quoting Paradox
I could change them but then you just have odd colored dots here and there...
Yes, exactly. That color contrast is precisely what I'm looking for. (With the dots, not a 2nd solid line.)

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The Start Line has a color feature. In the color selector you can set it to None. I will change that to the default.

Yes, but the date tag at the bottom still shows up as a black artifact (like the threshold lines used to), and the line itself is way too long. So at the very least make it work like the theshold lines, where the "foot" is gone and the line iteself only reaches as fas as the affected zone, not completely dissecting the entire screen from top to bottom.

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I do want to add the feature that it can just make the histogram from a manually drawn box. Then I can use the same code on an arbitrary amount of boxes to analyse them.

Wow, now that would be freaking amazing! Manually draw a box any place on the chart and have the histos pop up as a result? I have never seen such a thing here before.

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For the Funnel Indicator I am not sure if I have the ideas...

This current indi is actually working out great. The price hits and the fractals work very well together. I took 4 trades in the last 24hrs using them, and it's looking great. So I don't see any reason to keep adding stuff to the charts, not when this is going so well.

The only other serious mod I'd consider asking for, is that thing about ignoring more bars than just the current one. I do think I would still like to be able to do that.

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You never defined the unlocking criteria. I though to start with just using breakouts but this does not work when the boxes are shifted and price is already outside of them. Any hints here would help me currently.

Not as important right now but still a question. In the other thread I do not understand your comment about the heatmap going in the space between the boxes. Can you be more detailed I think I am missing something?

Not sure what you're asking about here. If it's about Squalou's indi, then bring your questions to the Stairstep thread for fxspin to look over. You 2 guys are my A Team over there anyway for the new EA project.
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  • #49
  • Apr 12, 2012 12:58pm Apr 12, 2012 12:58pm
Quoting forexhard
Yes, exactly. That color contrast is precisely what I'm looking for. (With the dots, not a 2nd solid line.)



Yes, but the date tag at the bottom still shows up as a black artifact (like the threshold lines used to), and the line itself is way too long. So at the very least make it work like the theshold lines, where the "foot" is gone and the line iteself only reaches as fas as the affected zone, not completely dissecting the entire screen from top to bottom.



Wow, now that would be freaking amazing! Manually draw a...
Your 2 requests make sense and I will make those changes.

Glad you like the manual box idea. You can sort of do this now if you make the ShiftLine and move it around. But this doesn't define the top and bottom which is a bit tricky to add so might take a bit.

Your other request I thought I did a while ago. It is the MovingShift parameter. Have you tried this or are you thinking of something else?

Maybe you can give me some pointers on how you use the fractal setting. Are you still looking for breakouts or some sort of support resistance definitions.

My last 2 questions were related to these 2 posts by you. They are not in SSBO thread and I am not sure at this point it would be productive to start this conversation there as ill formed as it is.

"But if added in, it would operate in the open space between 2 Breakbar on the same chart"
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...33#post5342533

"From this point the will not unlock until certain criteria have been met. More on that later..."
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post5363880
  • #50
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:21pm Apr 12, 2012 2:21pm
I am impressed and even slightly embarrassed that you spend so much time going over my posts. I'm not used to the concept that my thought processes are considered interesting by anyone other than myself.

But ignore those older posts. They were made at a time when I thought that I would never see a completed heatmap indi made according to my custom design. This heatmap is the superior indi of the 2 or 3 that we are discussing, so let's just concentrate our efforts on it.

To answer your question, yes the MovingShift does do the job. I just don't like the line being visible. So please keep the function, but make the line itself invisible. Or better yet, create a separate box frame for this input like in the other triple-box pic. And then give each frame a custom thickness setting to match the 2 custom color settings.

The only item still completely missing from the indi is some sort of visible info dashboard showing the various settings, plus labels for the 2 histos like I showed in an earlier pic.
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  • #51
  • Apr 12, 2012 5:36pm Apr 12, 2012 5:36pm
Quoting forexhard
I am impressed and even slightly embarrassed that you spend so much time going over my posts. I'm not used to the concept that my thought processes are considered interesting by anyone other than myself.

But ignore those older posts. They were made at a time when I thought that I would never see a completed heatmap indi made according to my custom design. This heatmap is the superior indi of the 2 or 3 that we are discussing, so let's just concentrate our efforts on it.

To answer your question, yes the MovingShift does do the job. I...

What?!?! I got these boxes all locked up and you say forget about it. Guess I will have to work at it more.

I am attaching the indicator with some changes you requested so we can get more to square one. You managed to lose me with your shift comments. Maybe you should play with the settings and making the lines I think maybe you don't understand how it works. The MovingShift is based solely on your request for a trailing shift. It has nothing to do with a visible line. If you manually make a visible vertical line and label it "SHIFTLINE" it becomes a manual control of the shift point. It has to be visible or you wouldn't be able to move it.

I tried to add some labels. I hate this kinda GUI programming though so hopefully they are good enough. So hard to get them to display correctly under various sizes and zooms. It doesn't seem there is much info in the other parameters that is worth taking up chart space displaying. What else do you have in mind?
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  • #52
  • Apr 12, 2012 6:19pm Apr 12, 2012 6:19pm
Notes on pic...

Liking the contrasting dots and the histo labels a lot.
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  • #53
  • Edited 7:12pm Apr 12, 2012 6:47pm | Edited 7:12pm
Quoting forexhard
Notes on pic...

Liking the contrasting dots and the histo labels a lot.
Ok sorry I see that you have an issue. The moving shift should shift the entire box over. That is how it works for me. I will trying to duplicate the issue you are having. What is that line? Can you select it. Is it a trendline or the edge of a box? What is it's label? Can I see exactly what settings you have for this chart? Do you have only one indicator attached to the chart?

EDIT: I haven't used movingshift so I tried to duplicate this with live 1 min chart and I can't. Seems to work fine. That is not a vertical line since that would be down the full screen. Only thing I can guess without more information is that you have 2 indicators on that chart and that line is the right edge of the shifted box.
  • #54
  • Apr 12, 2012 6:48pm Apr 12, 2012 6:48pm
Notes on pic...
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  • #55
  • Apr 12, 2012 7:51pm Apr 12, 2012 7:51pm
Also, just in case there is a problem with all the different versions overlapping each other, how about giving the next release a new name?
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  • #56
  • Apr 12, 2012 8:06pm Apr 12, 2012 8:06pm
Quoting forexhard
Notes on pic...
Are describing how you picture the MovingShift working? Right now it just shifts the entire box back. As far as the histogram is concerned there would be no difference. What you are describing is a different way of drawing the boxes am I correct?. Also for NumBars in the current code that is how many bars are used so if there is a shift of say 30. than 31-231 bars are used if NumBars is 200. It looks like in your picture it would make sense if the big box was NumBars big and the Shift value was the small ignore box.

I think this is not too difficult of a change but I am going to sleep on it. Just let me know if it sounds like I understand you correctly.
  • #57
  • Apr 12, 2012 8:08pm Apr 12, 2012 8:08pm
Quoting forexhard
Also, just in case there is a problem with all the different versions overlapping each other, how about giving the next release a new name?
What do you mean by this. Just the file name? Or do you want multiple instances. Right now it is not very friendly with other instances I will have to fix that if you want to use it that way.
  • #58
  • Apr 12, 2012 8:28pm Apr 12, 2012 8:28pm
Quoting Paradox
Are describing how you picture the MovingShift working? Right now it just shifts the entire box back. As far as the histogram is concerned there would be no difference. What you are....
Stop regarding the Shift feature. This is something different. Let me try again:

Imagine for a moment that there is only 1 box at all. Not 2, not 3, just one. Imagine that it is set for 1000 back bars. So then, these are the bars we use for determining how the 2 histos should look, minus the current bar of course.

But... what if I don't want the histos to show me the acivity of, say, the most recent 30 bars? Because, as part of my trading philosophy regarding heatmaps, I believe that such recent price action is to be disregarded? How do I create a separation between the 2 types of back bars?

So now comes the small box. What ever this is set for, whether it be 20, or 30, or 155 bars, etc., those bars are now excluded from the algos which create the 2 histograms. What ever information the small box contains, whether it be a number of fractal hits, or a number of price hits, that information is now completely overlooked as though it does not exist, and only the remaining bars of the large box are used to make this happen.

So if the large box has 1000 bars, and I set the small box at 100, then this means what? It means that only the other remaining 900 bars are used for the algos that feed the data to the 2 histos.

Does this help?
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  • #59
  • Apr 12, 2012 8:30pm Apr 12, 2012 8:30pm
Quoting Paradox
What do you mean by this. Just the file name? Or do you want multiple instances. Right now it is not very friendly with other instances I will have to fix that if you want to use it that way.
No, not multiple instances of the same indi on a chart. I mean just change the name to something slightly different so that we can identify it as the newest version. I will simply remake my templates and delete the older version of the indi.
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  • #60
  • Apr 12, 2012 8:50pm Apr 12, 2012 8:50pm
Quoting forexhard
Stop regarding the Shift feature. This is something different. Let me try again:

Imagine for a moment that there is only 1 box at all. Not 2, not 3, just one. Imagine that it is set for 1000 back bars. So then, these are the bars we use for determining how the 2 histos should look, minus the current bar of course.

But... what if I don't want the histos to show me the acivity of, say, the most recent 30 bars? Because, as part of my trading philosophy regarding heatmaps, I believe that such recent price action is to be disregarded?...
I don't know if it helps. Everything you say makes perfect sense. But what confuses me is that this already works. If you set Numbars = 900 and MovingShift = 100 then you will have exactly the behavior for the histogram that you are describing. It will not have the same 2 boxes of course but that is just a framing cosmetic. So what I am asking is do you want me to draw boxes like that for the current MovingShift input and behavior or do you want a whole different input like you draw the boxes your self or something.
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