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  • #4,241
  • Mar 29, 2012 2:58pm Mar 29, 2012 2:58pm
It's already 4am and I just finished reading the market esoterica. 1 down many to go

I've tested some like the Gann wheel, Price Time, and the geo's but I couldn't finish the job. lol I think I didn't fully understand how to apply it.

Btw, I found a software called Gann wheel around the web which was uploaded by Saryananda. He was a contributor to the thread too from pages 100-150 if I'm not mistaken.
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  • #4,242
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:28pm Mar 29, 2012 3:28pm
plz cud u give me the URL u downloaded the Gann wheel
  • #4,243
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:43pm Mar 29, 2012 3:43pm
Quoting Oshawa
(I just thought that it's perhaps time and perhaps right that posts could be a bit clearer and helpful and not like riddles. Having had half of my career in academia, where all research outputs and processes and even data are put on the table for scrutiny and discussion by all, I found it rather peculiar that in trading that people tend to become hush-hush once they think they know something. The market is big enough for all. Even though people like to say that...
I can't speak for others, but I'm reluctant just to give away my years of work and research for a variety of reasons.

1) None of it was easy.
2) Many of the paths I've journeyed I've paid good money at the toll gate. (books, tutors, etc.)
3) Like the ancients, I believe true knowledge must be earned and is not for the profane. If you want to be in my inner circle, I need to know that you're on a similar level of understanding/trust/abilities.
4) I give enough hints and starts for people to get the general idea.
5) I guess I'm an elitist @-hole.
  • #4,244
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:49pm Mar 29, 2012 3:49pm
Quoting Sti
You keep track of that in like an excel?
In case u still interested and still remember my early post
My turning point changed to 3350

I know i post depends on my own system which is Not Astro AS u guys use and seems no one interested here about my view so thinking I will stop interrupted the thread.
  • #4,245
  • Mar 29, 2012 4:29pm Mar 29, 2012 4:29pm
Quoting JR97
.....3) Like the ancients, I believe true knowledge must be earned and is not for the profane.....
Knowledge in and of itself is of no use if it is not applied correctly.

Two people with the same knowledge will get different results.
  • #4,246
  • Mar 29, 2012 5:14pm Mar 29, 2012 5:14pm
Quoting egkid
In case u still interested and still remember my early post
My turning point changed to 3350

I know i post depends on my own system which is Not Astro AS u guys use and seems no one interested here about my view so thinking I will stop interrupted the thread.
Hi, egkid. There are suddenly many posts on this thread recently and in skipping through reading them I might have overlooked yours. Perhaps you can post a big chart with colourful squiggles next time so my eyes will naturally navigate to your post? Jokes aside, what's the gist for your interpretation of levels for turning point? Perhaps share a chart or a few sentences to explain? I am very interested to know.
  • #4,247
  • Edited 10:51pm Mar 29, 2012 5:54pm | Edited 10:51pm
Guys,

I really like this thread, and the people here, at least the ones that are truly into these things...

And there’s a reason why people are drawn to this topic of sharing or not or whatever…

Sti (Russia), I don't think you need to share your indicators...you should only do things when the time is right...and if you feel a little off by it at this time...then don't do it...

Simply share what you feel you want to share...whether knowledge or otherwise...in the time you feel best...

JR97 (United States), you are lucky you posted today…reason not said…

=== === ===

In this case, many have gone through such difficulty in time and money, and was also treated and told to learn on their own…that they want others to do the same…

However...you shouldn’t treat people as others have treated you…but better than you’ve been treated…

Help if you feel inclined to, otherwise, don't feel obligated...your obligation is to explain when you have caused questions...

ILovePippin (Netherlands)
Oshawa (United Kingdom)
SunTrader (Boca Raton????, FL USA - cool)
W.D.Bayer (Bulgaria)
Bumpatria (Indonesia)
Tpaulbeaumon (Thailand)
Egkid (Cairo, Egypt)
JR97 (United States)
Matei (Romania)
Neuron (United States)
Mike Haran (Switzerland)
Plus
Many others ahead of us...
Thanks for answering questions or for being a part of this thread...

Xudoy58142 (Russia)
Kiranitoot (Philippines)
Maybe you can come up with a list of basic questions...and I'm sure someone will help answer them...

...Super Stupip...
  • #4,248
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:02pm Mar 29, 2012 6:02pm
Feels like the Olympics around here!
  • #4,249
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:09pm Mar 29, 2012 6:09pm
Quoting stupip
...your obligation is to explain when you have caused questions...
I was in the midst of writing a post basically saying just that! I didn't want to come across like a conceded @-hole in my previous post. I have no problem answering specific questions and I do answer a lot of them.. usually via pm or email when people would rather ask in private instead of the forums.

But I won't just hand over the keys to some general question when it's apparent the inquirer hasn't done an ounce of research and won't understand the answer anyway. I also won't hand out links to copyrighted materials or hand out indicators that I've programmed or possess that others have programmed and asked me not to share. That's just respect for others work.

And finally... Bumpa hit it on the head. The best thing to do is workout something that resonates to you or within you. In my opinion, that is how you become in sync with the market. Learn the fundamentals and then just keep playing around until you strike that chord where stuff starts working out for your trading style, risk, and time frame. There is no right or wrong. Just persistence, patience, or lack thereof.
  • #4,250
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:54pm Mar 29, 2012 6:54pm
Quoting SunTrader
Knowledge in and of itself is of no use if it is not applied correctly.

Two people with the same knowledge will get different results.
Exactly. And the person with the deeper understanding will probably have better or different results than the person who has a passing understanding.

The deeper understanding is the result of understanding other things.

Cycles apply to knowledge just as well as everything else. Coming back to something previously learned but with a higher understanding.
  • #4,251
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:00pm Mar 29, 2012 7:00pm
I didn't mean to cause such commotion and soul-searching. This is getting a bit like the public inquiry into last year's London riot, of which the report is currently keenly debated in the media.

I guess what I meant was simply that posts can be a bit "clearer and more helpful", which is not the same as asking people to lay bare all that they know and have. I wrote that post last night after I came back from a function. When I tried to get there I sort of got lost even with a satnav because the hotel is in a vast suburban/semi-rural area and the post code isn't quite right. I stopped the car at a corner shop and asked, the owner told me to go "straight from here, turn left and then turn right", which is good enough. I like driving around in the continent quite a bit and often ask for direction and always have clear and helpful answers from keen Frenchmen/Germen/Italians/Austrians etc (I haven't tested my luck in Russia!). Learning has to come from within, can't be forced upon. Sharing and/or help can come in the form of pointing at a slightly better lit/signposted path than "just drive out of the city and you will get there".
  • #4,252
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:09pm Mar 29, 2012 7:09pm
Oshi, you didn't cause any commotion. I think it was a good and important question to be asked. This type of trading isn't like traditional trading and learning it definitely isn't like learning traditional trading.

I think one of the most important concepts that gets lost or never even gets considered is the massive paradigm shift that needs to take place. Some people go partial and just use bits and peaces, and others like myself go all-in. But whether you dip the toes or go full monty and head first, there does have to be some sort of acceptance that there is "something" else out there or there is no point to pursuing this path.

but yeah.. I've gone full-tard.

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  • #4,253
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:30pm Mar 29, 2012 7:30pm
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  • #4,254
  • Edited 9:35pm Mar 29, 2012 9:12pm | Edited 9:35pm
Quoting SunTrader
Knowledge in and of itself is of no use if it is not applied correctly.

Two people with the same knowledge will get different results.
this is precisely why you just cant expect similar results with telling people "do this , its the right way" sort of thing.

even though we keep discussing, dont forget the thread's purpose of trading.

S&P for ya peeps
LIVE CALL made too

http://timingthemarket.weebly.com/2/...call-live.html

and the after math....

CHACHING

http://timingthemarket.weebly.com/2/...ll-result.html


PS read JR's posts. there is a huge change as a trader u need to accept tthat there 'something' that otheres cant see and you just did. inspiration from JR , ILP ORion and basically every poster out there on 'this' makes you really pumped to do this thing. the door is there , its not hidden it is right there, the key to the door is hidden, but it is within yourself.

BTW heres a definition of paradigm shift from dictionary.com
a radical change in underlying beliefs or theory.
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #4,255
  • Mar 29, 2012 9:41pm Mar 29, 2012 9:41pm
Find the ten differences... 21 March and today

I am definitely going to be watching closely

21 March below
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  • #4,256
  • Mar 29, 2012 9:42pm Mar 29, 2012 9:42pm
Uploaded in two posts as images do not come out good to the eye together

This is today obviously
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  • #4,257
  • Mar 29, 2012 9:54pm Mar 29, 2012 9:54pm
heres the move yesterday caught on my hexagram chart of the dollar index o nthe 4 hourly.

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  • #4,258
  • Mar 29, 2012 9:58pm Mar 29, 2012 9:58pm
Quoting W.D.Bayer
Uploaded in two posts as images do not come out good to the eye together

This is today obviously
i think u moved the 2x1 / 1x2 lines forward into the next 'time period' or cycle.

just me tho
might be as wrong as H3II
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #4,259
  • Mar 29, 2012 10:11pm Mar 29, 2012 10:11pm
Quoting bumapatria
i think u moved the 2x1 / 1x2 lines forward into the next 'time period' or cycle.

just me tho
might be as wrong as H3II
Nope, they always go 180deg across to the end of the day, starting from the open. Where they go depends on where they start
  • #4,260
  • Mar 29, 2012 10:20pm Mar 29, 2012 10:20pm
Quoting stupip
Guys,

I really like this thread, and the people here, at least the ones that are truly into these things...

And there’s a reason why people are drawn to this topic of sharing or not or whatever…

Sti (Russia), I don't think you need to share your indicators...you should only do things when the time is right...and if you feel a little off by it at this time...then don't do it...

Simply share what you feel you want to share...whether knowledge or otherwise...in the time you feel best...

JR97 (United States), you are...
You had a typo on my name there But anyways, I agree. The problem of people these days is that they wanna be spoonfed(a term used in PH for people who want everything already; don't want to do some research; are lazy learners).

I've read everything from the start and saw how some of them started. Everyone on the post by stupip were everyone who contributed throughout the thread. Bumpa started around October last year if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not asking for they keys but I'm just asking for a little guiding through my reading. I've seen several pieces of the key on the thread of which I bookmarked. 7 Pages out of 281 pages stand out. Find them

PS. Am I really the only PH guy in here? By August I'll be in US, I hope I get to meet some of you.

PPS. Welcome back JR! hehe cuz the last time I think you posted were on 200-225? Which was around January. lol
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