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  • #4,201
  • Mar 29, 2012 12:06am Mar 29, 2012 12:06am
Ok so as I read further and further unto the present page, I've really found some interesting things. Forget natals if I'm correct. What matters is where they are. And I need to read something about Sq but I don't know the book.

Please guide me. Everything is already here but it's all getting mixed up for me. Don't know who and what to look at. And I also have downloaded Zet9, though I don't know how to use it. Played around with it but I wouldn't know how to interpret. Have aspectarian also, which is better?
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #4,202
  • Mar 29, 2012 12:15am Mar 29, 2012 12:15am
Quoting Oshawa
I found it rather peculiar that in trading that people tend to become hush-hush once they think they know something. The market is big enough for all. Even though people like to say that Gann wrote his stuff in coded language.
I agree with both statements here, there is no need for silence and Gann was a bit of a freak as well.... He has some signs of a marketeer rather than a trader


Quoting stupip
1. and so everyday is different if you want to be EXACT)

2. BUT Sti, and everyone here...I saw this today
Very interesting... I'll definetly have a look into this, thanks, keep it coming!

Quoting bumapatria
@STi dude im indonesian LOL
nice sig
You're the reason the qoute is there actually, I lived for many years in Singapore, and being from Holland I'm no stranger to Bahasa. When I saw you're from Indonesia this song just popped up in my head. They apperantly have it in Bulgarian too can you imagine?

Quoting kiranitoot
I learn then get out. ... learn then get out. A pretty interesting cycle too.
That's true for me too, there is a time for eveything. And one of the rules of good practice is to spend time in meditation and time not in meditation.

Quoting stupip
And so, we need 12 around 1 to build...blah blah blah...blah...
I only need 7 to open

Quoting W.D.Bayer
Disturbing this thread sometimes becomes, my young padwans...
You're doing it on purpose! BTW, nice new sign... I'm from the 23rd --)--->
  • #4,203
  • Mar 29, 2012 2:26am Mar 29, 2012 2:26am
Nice posts Osh, and thanks to you and ILP for the Ferrera Book detail
  • #4,204
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:30am Mar 29, 2012 3:30am
Broke through page 200. I've got 60-70 more pages to go. But here are the datum I've collected so far. Making Pesavento's book really messy of which it made most of the notes I made completely unusable.

1. Price = Time
Time = Degrees
Price = Degrees (Figured this from Gann's 1909 famous wheat call but couldn't piece it together with time. I love Math but Math doesn't love me. lol)

2. I had this thought at the back of my head that you guys only use a few planets. So, picking the right ones for a currency would be a must. But which is which.

3. Doesn't have anything to do with natal charts or birth of it. It's where it is that matters.(This was a few pages back)

4. Their house has something to do with it. It gives strength to the planet in which we go back to no. 3.

5. Houses or cusp(if I'm right) have different strengths of which 1st as the strongest and 6th as the weakest.

6. Price wheel seems to be useful but I've seen 2 different price wheels though. One was in the pages 150 below and the second was 150-210+. Their difference was how the numbers were sequenced.

7. Sqr9 by Gann seems to play a role too though I don't know how.

8. It doesn't matter if it goes up or down. It's about timing.




Well, that's all I think but I still have to finish reading Esoterica, Gann's books and a few more I've found along the way. But, are my assumptions correct? Or they're mixed up?

(Cut some slack )
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #4,205
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:44am Mar 29, 2012 3:44am
Quoting kiranitoot
But, are my assumptions correct? Or they're mixed up?
First of all, I think it is FANTASTIC that you are taking the time to read the whole thing, and at the same time you keep us posted of your understanding of it, that's really encouraging.

What are assumptions?

In my thinking assumptions are ideas that you have. Nothing more. An assumption could come to you only through ways of "noticing"... you noticed something and you're building an assumption on this notion.

If someone else is mentioning his or her assumption, then it doesn't make it a fact (often it doesn't at all!)

What needs to happen next?

It needs to be tested! And the thing I absolutely do NOT understand, is why I never see any statistics?! There's 200+ pages of brilliant information here, but many of it is contradictory... so what is what?

How often did you see a post that said something like: "Oh look at this cycle, it SEEMS nice"... wait, instead of showing me something that SEEMS nice, why can't you tell me that it SEEMED nice to you and you ran a test on it on the entire history that you own and it doesn't only seem nice but has a 70% correlation to the idea that you propose.... then we're talking....

But for some reason it's not happening this way....
  • #4,206
  • Edited 4:12am Mar 29, 2012 3:57am | Edited 4:12am
Quoting Sti
First of all, I think it is FANTASTIC that you are taking the time to read the whole thing, and at the same time you keep us posted of your understanding of it, that's really encouraging.

What are assumptions?

In my thinking assumptions are ideas that you have. Nothing more. An assumption could come to you only through ways of "noticing"... you noticed something and you're building an assumption on this notion.

If someone else is mentioning his or her assumption, then it doesn't make it a fact (often it doesn't at all!)

What needs...
Thanks I need to gather more information before testing them out. Though, even if I have the information. If I do not know how to mathematically or physically draw them, then it wouldn't work out. Research. Test. If it doesn't work. Research again.

Lots of datum but couldn't piece it together.

By the way, I did the "price=time=degrees" while I was posting before but couldn't match it up with EU's price. And a thought would be to when and where to get the correct key for one of these. Still, it requires some time before I could actually get some results. So reading and testing at the same time is better.

It's when adversities like these come that man begins to think outside the box.
Gathering data is easy but cracking the code well, that's another story


Edit:
What's the title of the book that has something to do with Gann's Sqr9,12, etc?
I've also downloaded Tunnel through the air that is recommended throughout the thread.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #4,207
  • Mar 29, 2012 5:44am Mar 29, 2012 5:44am
Hi to all..

Sti.. Ilovepippin..

my English is far from perfect.. so not a big misunderstanding all the same is present..

about the when and what aspects are I can see in the table ephemeris.. Dezso not necessarily use some of the program.. (if the table data are interested in can lay out here in pdf format)..

such indicators as the translator Sti.. I am interested in a greater degree for the visualization of astrological factors.. as the process of influencing the market trend..
I need to analyze the history of the instrument and of drawing up the system.. so know what to say aspects and under no circumstance will have worked in the past.. to assume that they will work in the future..

this and other similar indicators the very will save my time..

I'll ask again if someone has these indicators I will be glad if you could share with me.. my email address [email protected]

thanks in advance..
  • #4,208
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:01am Mar 29, 2012 6:01am
I'm really sorry, I can't.
I worked very very very long and hard on these indicators.
I sometimes show a picture because I want to give insights.
But, just as that I cannot trade for anyone else, I also can not program for anyone else.

If I could program for someone else, I'd be working as a programmer for a boss. I do not like working for a boss. I have put the "safety" of my family-life on the line when I decided never to work for a boss again. I took that risk because I believed I would make it. In order to make it I spent literally thousands of hours, I mean since 2002 almost every day, non-stop.

That's the sacrifice I made to create that picture you saw. I am willing to explain how it works, but I'm not going to email it.
  • #4,209
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:02am Mar 29, 2012 6:02am
Quoting xudoy58142
Hi to all..

Sti.. Ilovepippin..

my English is far from perfect.. so not a big misunderstanding all the same is present..

about the when and what aspects are I can see in the table ephemeris.. Dezso not necessarily use some of the program.. (if the table data are interested in can lay out here in pdf format)..

such indicators as the translator Sti.. I am interested in a greater degree for the visualization of astrological factors.. as the process of influencing the market trend..
I need to analyze the history of the instrument and of drawing...
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=264891 AstroElite used to have a basic but free indicator that could do what you saw on Sti's chart. But now he's become a commercial member and the indicator is only for sale, no more freebie. There are actually a lot of Russian-coded indicators out there, perhaps you can try googling to see if you can find anything useful?
  • #4,210
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:07am Mar 29, 2012 6:07am
Quoting Sti
I'm really sorry, I can't.
I worked very very very long and hard on these indicators.
I sometimes show a picture because I want to give insights.
But, just as that I cannot trade for anyone else, I also can not program for anyone else.

If I could program for someone else, I'd be working as a programmer for a boss. I do not like working for a boss. I have put the "safety" of my family-life on the line when I decided never to work for a boss again. I took that risk because I believed I would make it. In order to make it I spent literally thousands...
dear friend Sti..

I know what you mean on this issue.. it is always hard to give so just their work.. and I don't ask you.. if you can't I don't insist on.. there is nothing to worry..

just hope dies last.. maybe someone like there are indicators that the network of walking.. the question was to a greater extent so put..

Sti.. I think I have everything I need to create a similar indicator.. but alone I can't do this.. don't know how to program.. can about this I something to tell, or will you help?
  • #4,211
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:10am Mar 29, 2012 6:10am
Quoting Oshawa
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=264891 AstroElite used to have a basic but free indicator that could do what you saw on Sti's chart. But now he's become a commercial member and the indicator is only for sale, no more freebie. There are actually a lot of Russian-coded indicators out there, perhaps you can try googling to see if you can find anything useful?
thank you for having responded.. I came across this project on the eyes.. I think, too, the work is done well.. but now it is not available for free..

little realized at the expense of encoding.. there's nothing described it seems.,
  • #4,212
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:21am Mar 29, 2012 6:21am
Quoting xudoy58142
Sti.. I think I have everything I need to create a similar indicator.. but alone I can't do this.. don't know how to program.. can about this I something to tell, or will you help?
I know, I've been thinking about this issue for a while... this is holding back so many people from testing their ideas, and that IS a pitty.

I've been thinking of a generic indicator in which people could test astro ideas, perhaps through a form of pseudo-astro-programming.... if this forum would ever be able to expand even further in nice creative ideas, then such a thing has to be created... even if it is not on metatrader, but stand-alone.

To allow non-programmers test their ideas between astro and stocks/forex, that is a lofty goal to achieve, but for now I'm just not sure how to tackle the issue, so if there are any ideas out there, I would love to help!
  • #4,213
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:29am Mar 29, 2012 6:29am
Quoting Sti
I know, I've been thinking about this issue for a while... this is holding back so many people from testing their ideas, and that IS a pitty.

I've been thinking of a generic indicator in which people could test astro ideas, perhaps through a form of pseudo-astro-programming.... if this forum would ever be able to expand even further in nice creative ideas, then such a thing has to be created... even if it is not on metatrader, but stand-alone.

To allow non-programmers test their ideas between astro and stocks/forex, that is a lofty goal to...
at this stage I am interested in the creation of an indicator for мт4. indicator of planetary aspects..

that is the indicator which shows the graph of the time of occurrence of the aspect and the time of his graduation.. because as the end of the aspects is also a strong argument..
harmonic aspects want to take all of it.. that is 15,22,5, 30, 45 degrees and so on.. because all work and minor and major aspects..

in future this indicator would like the phases of the moon, lunar and solar eclipses, transitions of all the planets in the zodiac, and transitions of the planets through the Equatorial line, that is the declination of the planets of the.

dear Sti.. can hope for your help in creating such an indicator??

I consider this the best indicator to determine the timing of the reversal of the trend..
  • #4,214
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:31am Mar 29, 2012 6:31am
Quoting Sti
I know, I've been thinking about this issue for a while... this is holding back so many people from testing their ideas, and that IS a pitty.

I've been thinking of a generic indicator in which people could test astro ideas, perhaps through a form of pseudo-astro-programming.... if this forum would ever be able to expand even further in nice creative ideas, then such a thing has to be created... even if it is not on metatrader, but stand-alone.

To allow non-programmers test their ideas between astro and stocks/forex, that is a lofty goal to...
I'm a software developer and I could just help with a stand-alone though I'm not that good of a developer. I just graduated a year ago. But if this works out fine, then I won't mind helping in the process too.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #4,215
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:50am Mar 29, 2012 6:50am
I will elaborate on my reasoning a little:

Past experience has shown that even if you out of the goodness that you possess share something for free, then other people find a way to sell it to others for money.

You can solve that by selling for money yourself, so that you do not feel so frustrated if others re-sell it.

You can solve that by creating a form of copy-protection, so that everyone has a fair chance of obtaining a free version which works only for them.

You can solve that by not sharing the sollution, but sharing something that enables others to come to the sollution. In that way, the technical part that is shared is useless by itself to sell, but useful enough to enable and use.

It's the last option that I prefer.

Once I get my head around how to make something that enables others to implement a solution for themselves, then I'd be willing to program it. But, for now, I just do not see how to make such a tool.
  • #4,216
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:03am Mar 29, 2012 7:03am
Quoting Sti
I will elaborate on my reasoning a little:

Past experience has shown that even if you out of the goodness that you possess share something for free, then other people find a way to sell it to others for money.

You can solve that by selling for money yourself, so that you do not feel so frustrated if others re-sell it.

You can solve that by creating a form of copy-protection, so that everyone has a fair chance of obtaining a free version which works only for them.

You can solve that by not sharing the sollution, but sharing something...
Perhaps I could shed a little light here. I bought an ebook once, it had some protection. HWID was it. It prevents you from getting screenshots, copy/pasting or any form of copyrighting or even the book. As to that, we had our own username and passwords which I think would then act as a cookie or MD5 tag or something similar to open the book. You can't even open the book on another computer or laptop.

There's the idea but making it in applications would be a little tough. Possible but hard to get there.



Still, from your point of view. Your last option is a BIG thing for us. It's a good option and I wouldn't probably think in any other way.
There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
  • #4,217
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:05am Mar 29, 2012 7:05am
I think theres few quantitative statistics - and this is part of naysayers argument in my experience - because of the enormous number of possible permutations.

You have 9 planets plus the moon the earth and the sun, nodes, other celestial bodies and just 2 can be transiting between one another, in many different ways, then you have a combination of different aspects bewteen multiple planets under different circumstances, and Im sure im only scratching the surface, as Ive still no idea about harmonics, houses, elements and qualities etc... the sheer number of possibile combinations must be in the 100's of millions.
So the rebuttal ive had goes 'of course any move in any market could find an attributable astro event, and if you torture any numbers long enough they'll confess to any other number'.

So I think one needs to have a decent foundation and understanding of what you believe works and focus on that before wanting to try and compile stats on 'everything', and I imagine only a couple folks here would be able to make a start somewhere, but thats only if they have the inclination to do that type of research instead of just trading what works for $s

Its a grand idea Sti, Id love to see the results and Id love to be part of the process and help, hopefully one day!
  • #4,218
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:19am Mar 29, 2012 7:19am
Quoting tpaulbeaumon
the sheer number of possibile combinations must be in the 100's of millions.

[...]

So I think one needs to have a decent foundation and understanding of what you believe works and focus on that before wanting to try and compile stats on 'everything'
Well, yes
To put things in perspective, I think I know what numbers are interesting for me. All these numbers together in plain-text, create a file of over 25Mb... plain-text, no compression or encoding.

For every bar into the future (H4) I go through that file in the magnitude of 700 times.

That's the reason why the program I am using for the forecasting videos would never even run in Metatrader.
  • #4,219
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:34am Mar 29, 2012 7:34am
Quoting egkid
Sometime i do ,
We still on the range , u know aud/u correlated with e/u
by looking to aud/u PA now 1.0430 i see it will go down about 200 pip @1.02 That one of reasons making me no convinced yet to long e/u
Patience is good.
1.0330 since yesterday 100 pip drop
Time to direct my concern back to Euro.
  • #4,220
  • Mar 29, 2012 7:49am Mar 29, 2012 7:49am
Quoting Sti
I will elaborate on my reasoning a little:

Past experience has shown that even if you out of the goodness that you possess share something for free, then other people find a way to sell it to others for money.
[...]

I think the only reason ppl are reluctant to share knowledge or ideas is because they havent made enough money out of them yet, and are concerned if they do share them others may benefit more, which is fair enough I suppose.

Essentially the perennial trader favourites of fear and greed, as stupip pointed out earlier
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