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  • #361
  • Nov 13, 2011 6:48am Nov 13, 2011 6:48am
Quoting omi
Hi Clifton,

Just read the thread and i must congratulate you on a fantastic job in explaining vsa in you own style,i just hope this continues coz its great

I took this demo trade to try out whether im understanding correctly or not,if you could please take a look and give some feedback on what's right and wrong about my understanding.....

What am i missing???
I like this trade the only thing I dont like much, its the bar that crossed the Demand Line was with very big volume. Also there was more strengh in the background on H1.

Anyways you should have closed it already. Beaware of the TP/SL. This trade should have not get a SL more than 20 pips.

Cheers.
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #362
  • Nov 13, 2011 10:09am Nov 13, 2011 10:09am
Quoting BeLikeWater
I like this trade the only thing I dont like much, its the bar that crossed the Demand Line was with very big volume. Also there was more strengh in the background on H1.

Anyways you should have closed it already. Beaware of the TP/SL. This trade should have not get a SL more than 20 pips.

Cheers.

Thanks BeLikeWater

I really hope clifton continues this thread,its all gone rather quite here
  • #363
  • Nov 17, 2011 5:42pm Nov 17, 2011 5:42pm
Hello Cliff

Your teaching are one of the best from the VSA aspects.

I trade 4hrs and Daily charts can you provide some chart examples plz

Much Appreciated

Regards
  • #364
  • Nov 28, 2011 11:44am Nov 28, 2011 11:44am
LOL, you guys are still hanging around here?
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  • #365
  • Dec 5, 2011 1:44am Dec 5, 2011 1:44am
Quoting Clifton
LOL, you guys are still hanging around here?
hi,clifton,what are you busy with these days?we are all waiting for you .
  • #366
  • Dec 7, 2011 11:22pm Dec 7, 2011 11:22pm
Quoting Clifton
LOL, you guys are still hanging around here?
hi sir am still following ua thread but i still dont get how u draw those horizontal lines i know i hav this like two times but is possible for u to give the exact bar u draw from n the reason on the chart?n dont leave us sir we r still learning from u.
  • #367
  • Dec 19, 2011 11:36pm Dec 19, 2011 11:36pm
Hi clifton

thenx for starting the thread it has really helped me could u pls continue posting charts or any other pro in this thread some newbies like me have just finished reading all the pages
am having a hard time spotting stopping volume in 5mins after seeing it in 1h somebody pls post like todays charts
thankyou gregwilson
  • #368
  • Jan 5, 2012 12:00am Jan 5, 2012 12:00am
i want to ask if the below chart is a valid double bottom the bacground in 1h is strength
anybody canrespond
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thankyou gregwilson
  • #369
  • Feb 9, 2012 6:27am Feb 9, 2012 6:27am
What do you think about the idea to join a skype chat to make real time trading decisions? where ideas of experts on vsa, cluster delta, and horizontal volumes are combined. Trading decisions are appropriate with 2/3 of votes. This helps to cut off fear greatly. Market is valued properly
  • #370
  • Feb 9, 2012 1:01pm Feb 9, 2012 1:01pm
njokie -

Forget about double bottom this/that, it's about the breaking and retest of the last swing high in a downtrend with higher TF strength in the background.

So you said you saw H1 strength. Well then find the last M5 high and wait for a break and retest.

There are other considerations too. I mean, it is easier to trade with the flow instead of trying to call reversals all the time, so practice taking trades with levels that aren't broken because this may mean there's going to be a quick move down.

Also don't try going for too many pips, don't get too greedy. It's cool to take small TPs constantly.

Another consideration is when you think price is going to break the last swing high, maybe pros are stop hunting and using those stops for liquidity so they can fill their shorts even more. Watch for volume spikes showing this.

The last consideration I'm going to bother covering is higher time frame supply and demand. Google Sam Seiden and watch his webinars at FXstreet for more on this

Any other questions will be answered through your own trial and error. You have to be willing to bleed to the market for the answers to any other specifics because it will be different from person to person
  • #371
  • Feb 15, 2012 7:06am Feb 15, 2012 7:06am
Clifton,

Could you please again explain how you draw the supply line?
  • #372
  • Feb 16, 2012 12:12am Feb 16, 2012 12:12am
Quoting frankkn
njokie -

Forget about double bottom this/that, it's about the breaking and retest of the last swing high in a downtrend with higher TF strength in the background.

So you said you saw H1 strength. Well then find the last M5 high and wait for a break and retest.

There are other considerations too. I mean, it is easier to trade with the flow instead of trying to call reversals all the time, so practice taking trades with levels that aren't broken because this may mean there's going to be a quick move down.

Also don't try going for too many pips,...
thenx frankkn actually before i ever came across vsa i was trying to understand sam seiden av watched soo many of his videos almost all then came to vsa and am putting the pieces together after this thread became kind of dormant i checked other threads and i see this threads strategy is the easy one no complications i have improved and thenx for pointing out that issdnt go for many pips that was one of my biggest problem i felt the reward should be like 3 times the risk which am finding hard to achieve
yes it true i have to finetune my own rules thenx again
thankyou gregwilson
  • #373
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:52am Feb 16, 2012 6:52am
All your exampless are really nice Clifton, but for me the reality is all different.
I'm using IBFX and FXCM, and I hardly find cases where there is an high volume bar followed later by a test and a break through supply or or support and another test. All what I see is some bar on low volume which should be an upbar but is actually a downbar, or reverse, and often it is not confirmed by the next bar so I'm really lost.
  • #374
  • Mar 17, 2012 3:40pm Mar 17, 2012 3:40pm
HI Everybody where is clifton. does anybody where is he he never shows up.......after nov.28 He is great teacher and volume is the lifeline of trading
  • #375
  • Mar 18, 2012 11:13am Mar 18, 2012 11:13am
Guys Clif has already shared all that is necessary. It's not as complicated as it seems at first. Don't try to make this kind of trading a system so much as a way of getting a feel of the balance of orders in the market.

dvarrin, watch highs and lows being put in and mark them as they form. The "supply line" is just the most recent high, that once broken you (according to the thread) you will wait for a test of. Of course this is secondary to the H1 volume analysis as well as the overall structure of higher time frame supply and demand.
  • #376
  • Mar 20, 2012 4:25am Mar 20, 2012 4:25am
Hi all,

Shame this thread seems to have died off a little. I have been studying VSA but find the other threads don't give clear, concise chart examples. This thread shows some excellent examples, so thanks for that!

I'd appreciate some feedback on my chart below.

I see strength in the background [H1 uptrend].

Then we had ranging during the Asian session, and I suspect we're seeing a false break lower before pushing higher.

I see stopping volume which is confirmed after price fails to close below the stopping bar.

I drew prior support which then became resistance.

Is that a no supply bar? Then a push through resistance?

Am I reading this right guys!!??
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  • #377
  • Mar 20, 2012 4:37am Mar 20, 2012 4:37am
Hmmmmm............

Obviously not!! Lol!!
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  • #378
  • Mar 20, 2012 5:35am Mar 20, 2012 5:35am
Quoting Gt3rs
Hmmmmm............

Obviously not!! Lol!!
Ei man that bar wasnt a NS. THere was still supply present in the market.
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #379
  • Mar 20, 2012 5:57am Mar 20, 2012 5:57am
Quoting BeLikeWater
Ei man that bar wasnt a NS. THere was still supply present in the market.
Thanks mate. I'm not good with the terminology yet [or at spotting the setups it would seem!!].

Could you possibly elaborate on your answer?

Cheers!
  • #380
  • Mar 23, 2012 5:12pm Mar 23, 2012 5:12pm
Quoting Gt3rs
Thanks mate. I'm not good with the terminology yet [or at spotting the setups it would seem!!].

Could you possibly elaborate on your answer?

Cheers!
You were correct that was a no supply bar.

I only glanced at the chart for the second, but I'd believe you marked a valid NS bar as it was a down bar with low volume that followed climactic volume.

Per Clif's methodology this would be considered an aggressive entry.

In my mind a NS bar doesn't necessarily have to be a down bar, it can be down for most of the bar's formation and then close slightly up, and as long as it broke the prior two bars' lows it means the same thing; lack of selling interest.

Don't beat yourself up about not labeling this or that. That bar was valid (as I recall from glancing at it)

If you want to go ahead and take aggressive entries like that (provided they are in context of larger supply/demand as well as higher time frame--h1-- climactic volume) you can enter on the break with a stop a few pips below the NS and the crucial part of this is taking half of your position off at the same amount of pips that you risked. This makes the trade break-even without putting your stop in harms way.

So in the example you marked you would have been taken at BE.. Just a thought.

Congrats on identifying a valid NS
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