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  • #21
  • Feb 22, 2012 2:18am Feb 22, 2012 2:18am
Quoting Xaphod
Note:

 

  1. This is a qualified guess. I do not know exactly how that protection software is implemented.
  2. Hooking.


One way that form of protection can be implemented is to install a hook in the OS that gets called when targeted files are read. The hook would intercept the data read, decrypt it and pass it on to the calling program.

To bypass such protection, one could install a hook between the protection hook and the program to read and save the decrypted data-stream...

There are many methods to crack software. Once it's running, you can observe the processes and intercept data. Another common method is the use of a debugger. There is no sure fire way to protect your programs. Your best bet is to try to deter people by making it hard enough to crack that its not worth there time. Moreover, the common person isn't trying to hack your code and simple registration verification systems should suffice. If people like your software, they will buy it. Most likely, most of the people who seek to find pirated versions aren't going to buy it anyway.

Hiding code in a DLL and using a verification system (e.g. calling your server with receipt and email matching and limiting # of users, etc.) is probably enough protection. Lastly, as we try more complicated methods to protect our software, we are often making it less compatible and more difficult to use, which is going to make loyal, paying customers unhappy.
  • #22
  • Feb 29, 2012 7:19pm Feb 29, 2012 7:19pm
Quoting styan
Yes, I think the same way they do. Somehow the MetaTrader must get the unprotected ex4. So, I knew that sooner or later it happens with Guardian.

Currently I'm working on a RSI trendline indicator. The server is does the full calculation. The ex4 only send the RSI value, and draw object from the received data
I Download your Indicator.
Copy it to the folder indicators.
I put it on a graph and it worked.
But I NOT updated with actual data.
I think you made ​​a mistake and has released a file that was not well protected.
That has been my experience with its indicator.
  • #23
  • Feb 29, 2012 9:11pm Feb 29, 2012 9:11pm
Why not sent you an email if you had a problem? We can talk here, but I need for some personal data, and a detailed description because I don't understand your problem.

"But I NOT updated with actual data."

What do you mean?
  • #24
  • Mar 2, 2012 1:52am Mar 2, 2012 1:52am
may not be the right topic but...

regarding either it is commercial system or EA or it is free system on the forums. what I find out is there is really nothing special about commercial system or EA.

Reason logic is same either is commercial or not.

but really, one simple question, if the forex trading for you is quite well, then why you want to sell commercial system, indicator or EA?
  • #25
  • Mar 2, 2012 2:31am Mar 2, 2012 2:31am
It is an eternal question every forum, but this is only true to the EA's, because if it works properly (and profitable), you will not require any action, just count your money. If this exists, no one would sell it.

The manual trading contains a lot of human factor, therefore the result is different for everyone. Who is doing a good indicator or a script that is not required to trading very well, and vice versa (but fortunately for me the trade goes well).
  • #26
  • Mar 2, 2012 11:57am Mar 2, 2012 11:57am
Quoting styan
Why not sent you an email if you had a problem? We can talk here, but I need for some personal data, and a detailed description because I don't understand your problem.

"But I NOT updated with actual data."

What do you mean?
Clarification

I download a file from your website.
And he was not properly protected.
Install it on my chart and it worked.

I do not need any indicator that I draw the lines.
I am a good technical analyst.

I use guardian to protect some of my files.
And I know perfectly how it works.

Your file with the indicator was not properly encrypted.
He was ERROR.
And now you say that your indicator has been unprotected because it violated the safety of Guardian.
Not true. It was his mistake, or the person in charge of uploading that file to the website.
  • #27
  • Edited 1:14pm Mar 2, 2012 12:57pm | Edited 1:14pm
Quoting styan
It is an eternal question every forum, but this is only true to the EA's, because if it works properly (and profitable), you will not require any action, just count your money. If this exists, no one would sell it.

The manual trading contains a lot of human factor, therefore the result is different for everyone. Who is doing a good indicator or a script that is not required to trading very well, and vice versa (but fortunately for me the trade goes well).
So who sell EA are all crap EA's... I know few works... and I know one system would work well on EA.

what I mean is you are after thousands of dollars per trade not selling EA and only make few hundred or a thousand dollars per month. for business minded person, I do not think it work well on selling EA if s/he can make thousands of dollar per month.

in fact as the site like CB you are giving away some profit and you maybe down to only 60% of profit of selling.

if choose CB type of sell, then you come down to...

1. just sell EA it self (no data needed) very small profit.
2. subscription monthly (maybe a big profit for a while then... does your stuff really work well depends on how buyer feel if your system do make enough money and it worth it).
3. subscription monthly for signal service. well same as number 2. but required more work.
  • #28
  • Mar 3, 2012 2:09am Mar 3, 2012 2:09am
Quote
Clarification

I download a file from your website.
And he was not properly protected.
Install it on my chart and it worked.

I do not need any indicator that I draw the lines.
I am a good technical analyst.

I use guardian to protect some of my files.
And I know perfectly how it works.

Your file with the indicator was not properly encrypted.
He was ERROR.
And now you say that your indicator has been unprotected because it violated the safety of Guardian.
Not true. It was his mistake, or the person in charge of uploading that file to the website.

The v1.01 is the last version which protected with Guardian. If you downloaded this, you can be sure that it's correctly encrypted. Now I checked the all installers which uploaded anytime. In addition, I know who it was sent to the place where crack it (license dates were been marked in the file).

Above this version, I not used Guardian, and if you found this installer I'm sure that it's not working properly because the server is not answer your request without a valid username. And if you don't receive a necessary result of calculation, then the indicator can't be work.

I think that we continue this in private... Please send me in email - which you think - the unprotected installer, and I show you the place, where crack it.

PS: I am also a good technical analyst, the indicator is useful not only for beginners (comfort, human mistake decression, time savings, etc...)
  • #29
  • Mar 3, 2012 2:36am Mar 3, 2012 2:36am
Quoting mtuppers
So who sell EA are all crap EA's... I know few works... and I know one system would work well on EA.

what I mean is you are after thousands of dollars per trade not selling EA and only make few hundred or a thousand dollars per month. for business minded person, I do not think it work well on selling EA if s/he can make thousands of dollar per month.

in fact as the site like CB you are giving away some profit and you maybe down to only 60% of profit of selling.

if choose CB type of sell, then you come down to...

1. just sell EA it...
Roughly I think so too... 4.type: if the EA is running on PAMM/MAM account. It is fair to the seller, but very dangerous to the buyer, because they can not backtest.
  • #30
  • Edited 5:19pm Mar 3, 2012 11:25am | Edited 5:19pm
It has no logical explanation will have income from the sale of an indicator with 300 lines of code.
In forex, as in any industry, there are also a lot of intellectual property is hidden.
The successful men are never going to sell their tools.
EA for example, I use for manual trading, has 15,000 lines of code, and 6 libraries
And I can assure that this work never will be for sale.
Because it cost a lot of money building it, and is the tool we all would like to use.
  • #31
  • Last Post: Mar 16, 2012 1:29am Mar 16, 2012 1:29am
Quoting Antonsan
It has no logical explanation will have income from the sale of an indicator with 300 lines of code.
In forex, as in any industry, there are also a lot of intellectual property is hidden.
The successful men are never going to sell their tools.
EA for example, I use for manual trading, has 15,000 lines of code, and 6 libraries
And I can assure that this work never will be for sale.
Because it cost a lot of money building it, and is the tool we all would like to use.
Okay, this is no longer in this topic

I'm absolutely open for any opinion, and the development is totally depends to my users feedback, but i dont like the pointless and wasteful dispute such as the best program is the longest program or the succesful trading depends on only one indicator.

If you have constructive opinions or arguments why is unusable indicator, that draws trendline correctly, please search for the TrueTL topic, and share them.
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