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  • #30,781
  • Feb 10, 2012 5:12am Feb 10, 2012 5:12am
Quoting fti
Just thinking.
Eveyone wants tell greese what to do.
No one thinks they themselves know their situation?
Wouldn't it be better peeps ask them what on earth they want do.
Where suits , help.
If they can't find their way themselves, who can force them?

Then they pay the price and learn to reform themselves on their own.
If they ask help then give them the terms.
Wouldn't that be better?

Why everyone wants shaft bitter medicine down their thoats.
Let them reach for the bottle themselves.


regards
The problem is the Greeks cannot agree on what they want, the rich, the politicians, the middle class, the working poor all have their agendas, there is little will to sacrifice self interest for the common good. Not wanting to be harsh on the greeks, our survival instinct make self preservation and selfishness a human condition, democracy is supposed to be the tool to reach for the common good, easier said than done.

Rgs,
Baifu
  • #30,782
  • Feb 10, 2012 5:15am Feb 10, 2012 5:15am
Quoting Baifu
The problem is the Greeks cannot agree on what they want, the rich, the politicians, the middle class, the working poor all have their agendas, there is little will to sacrifice self interest for the common good. Not wanting to be harsh on the greeks, our survival instinct make self preservation and selfishness a human condition, democracy is supposed to be the tool to reach for the common good, easier said than done.

Rgs,
Baifu
Well baifu, if they unable agreed within, who can help them?
they need sort that out themselves, internally.
Then only have face go international and ask for help.
Unless that is resolved, even if international help is given, will it help them?
only create opportunity for more robbery and missallocation of resources.
Does it allow change?

All this is mostly because they have weakness somewhere, BIg type weakness.
They now get opportunity id it and change.
Bail out, 1 bailout is already chance enough.
1 bitten , twice shy.......better go die. Death is change, big change.
Think dealing with God is easier than dealing with humans?
Think carefully brother.
Hiumans can still be suckered. I not think God eaisly suckered.
Is not easy sucker truth.


regards
  • #30,783
  • Feb 10, 2012 5:21am Feb 10, 2012 5:21am
Quoting Baifu
The problem is the Greeks cannot agree on what they want, the rich, the politicians, the middle class, the working poor all have their agendas, there is little will to sacrifice self interest for the common good. Not wanting to be harsh on the greeks, our survival instinct make self preservation and selfishness a human condition, democracy is supposed to be the tool to reach for the common good, easier said than done.

Rgs,
Baifu
There's a economic theory circulated, it's origins are debated, but the principal in theory states that all democracies are finite and cannot last once the governed learn that they can vote themselves a pay-raise from the treasury.

Greece is an example....... the people have voted themselves something their Government can no longer supply and other countries in the EU are unwilling to give.
  • #30,784
  • Edited 5:46am Feb 10, 2012 5:27am | Edited 5:46am
Quoting auxesis
There's a economic theory circulated, it's origins are debated, but the principal in theory states that all democracies are finite and cannot last once the governed learn that they can vote themselves a pay-raise from the treasury.

Greece is an example....... the people have voted themselves something their Government can no longer supply and other countries in the EU are unwilling to give.
Ya is best live within own means.
Hardly ever think can live on others goodwill.
Although having others goodwill is nice. but cannot be abused.

Why you think have peeps stay in small houses, everyone wants a mansion.
Question is can afford it or not?
Is there enough productivity support the living?

Is the archelles heels of the capitalistic society.
Some find they have assets, they abuse.
Then end up on the streets. crazy no prudence.

Had seen peeps living on credit, because have power.
When downfalls comes, not even a rock to hide under.

So i guess in free democratic societies, we must beware what peeps we make lead us. If pipe piper gets on, then all ends up drowned in the river. even kindergarden kids knows that.

regards
  • #30,785
  • Feb 10, 2012 5:45am Feb 10, 2012 5:45am
Quoting fti
Ya is best live within own means.
Hardly ever think can live on others goodwill.
Although having others goodwill is nice. but cannot be abused.

Why you think have peeps stay in small houses, everyone wants a mansion.
Question is can afford it or not?
Is there enough productivity support the living?

Is the archelles heels of the capitalistic society.
Some find they have assets, they abuse.
Then end up on the streets. crazy no prudence.

Had seen peeps living on credit, because have power.
When downfalls comes, not even a rock to hide under.


regards...
EU is on slippery slope, obviously when you compare all the countries some are better some worse financially, exports and such... PIIGS being at the bottom, EU would probably be better off as a whole without Greece, BOND holders take it in the backside when they exit, (I believe there's a lot of Big Named self-interests in the EU's decisions) but if they let Greece dictate, or exit there's other countries all watching how they are handled and what they are given and will be wanting similar.

IMHO, the entire EU model is flawed, Merkel wants control of their balance sheets and that's what's needed to ensure compliance, but no one wants to give up sovereign rights.

I don't see anyway the EU can last, they may kick the can down the road and print their way out temporarily, but nothings is going away.

regards

edit, yes your pied piper is correct, problem is the people who recognize the problem may not have the votes to make the necessary changes as everyone's own greed blocks the needed change
  • #30,786
  • Feb 10, 2012 5:54am Feb 10, 2012 5:54am
Quoting auxesis
EU is on slippery slope, obviously when you compare all the countries some are better some worse financially, exports and such... PIIGS being at the bottom, EU would probably be better off as a whole without Greece, BOND holders take it in the backside when they exit, (I believe there's a lot of Big Named self-interests in the EU's decisions) but if they let Greece dictate, or exit there's other countries all watching how they are handled and what they are given and will be wanting similar.

IMHO, the entire EU model is flawed, Merkel wants control...
yes, from what i heard and read, alredy Buba lost big chunk of assets just trying hold things together.
I guess just like people, those who need and want change can be helped. Some just goes beyond the point of no return.

regards
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  • #30,790
  • Feb 10, 2012 7:03am Feb 10, 2012 7:03am
Alot of movement headed into the US figures here in about 30 minutes??
  • #30,791
  • Feb 10, 2012 7:38am Feb 10, 2012 7:38am
I heard a EU commissioner said in an interview they have people in Greece helping to reform the tax and judicial system. Let's hope it helps in the future.

Basically Greek politicians do not want to lose power and job, Greek people do not want to give up good living on borrowed money, EU does not want their banks to crash on default, America does not want American banks to crash from credit swap damage of default. Are they "saving" Grece or are they saving their banks? I agree banks provide an indispensible service to society but the speculative branch of the financial sector needs better oversight. Can't do it, in our democracy money has votes and money can buy lobbyists to make sure it is business as usual. This is my rant
  • #30,792
  • Edited 8:26am Feb 10, 2012 7:59am | Edited 8:26am
watch that 13215/35 level. Was Bis Buying for ssome one there.
maybe panda may be middle east.
they may draw there to turn.
Do not rush. You not find waterfall everywhere.
Only margin calls are forced selling the low.
Trapped big boys will seek,forced rallys bail.
Compete, but Lots of time get into flow.
Scale in Size carefully.

Feel the flow. watch e 13185 95,00,05,15,25
send scouts into all hostile jerks.
keep army safe for attacks.


compete with big guns when they show hand.

Where's my dang bucket.
Calling the banks and brokers. dang this gonna kill me.
Where's my helmet and khukri.
Ai yoooo ku kari !!!!

regards
  • #30,793
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:21am Feb 10, 2012 8:21am
OK, been shorting the E/$ for a few hours now, and have banked my profits and waiting for a bit of a pull back before re-entering. Seems the real story on Greece is coming out, and we'll have to see how much farther the E/$ will fall before the market closes for the weekend.

The people of Greece have to make a very difficult decision. Everyone is telling them that leaving the Euro is worse than staying and suffering the IMF/EU medicine. Unfortunately, staying in the Euro will relegate them to slaves for decades to come. If they leave now, there will be much short-term pain, but they will be in a position to do something about their country/economy/future. They have no choice but to default and start over. Unfortunately, they lack the leadership to inspire them to retake their future.
  • #30,794
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:33am Feb 10, 2012 8:33am
small platoons sighted.
scouts deployed.

yes come, come
my men ready.

comeon cross boys i waiting.

more scouts deployed
  • #30,795
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:41am Feb 10, 2012 8:41am
common , you call that arally?
my grandma smiling at you.

show me some spunk.

whats this, how the big boys gonna turn like this.
You want cut?
  • #30,796
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:43am Feb 10, 2012 8:43am
Came across this song the other day, made me think of some here that have been going through a rough time.......

Hope the mods don't mind, it has a great message.

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  • #30,797
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:46am Feb 10, 2012 8:46am
level 1 complete.
cable you thin, don't you be a drag
  • #30,798
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:49am Feb 10, 2012 8:49am
yes, yes, more
level 2 scouts deployed
  • #30,799
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:52am Feb 10, 2012 8:52am
level 2 completed.

more please.
no behave like old ladies.
  • #30,800
  • Feb 10, 2012 8:54am Feb 10, 2012 8:54am
who scuttered

careful i drag you out of game.
try fig, common try
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