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  • #101
  • Jan 27, 2012 2:15pm Jan 27, 2012 2:15pm
No More Theory will be published


tomorrow i will explain the Touch Points and their periorities.

after that my rules will be posted and at last my request .

Lots of speech cause harm
  • #102
  • Jan 28, 2012 12:31am Jan 28, 2012 12:31am
For some reason after downloading the indicator and attaching it on One Financial MT4 platform, the MT4 platform wont start.
  • #103
  • Jan 28, 2012 7:45am Jan 28, 2012 7:45am
Quoting mangala
For some reason after downloading the indicator and attaching it on One Financial MT4 platform, the MT4 platform wont start.
Upgrade your platform to build 409
  • #104
  • Jan 28, 2012 2:51pm Jan 28, 2012 2:51pm
I try to make it real easy! No Theory No Math and No Other Damn Science. I make it some Romantic

there are three levels of Priority to rank these levels





Based on true historical data on any pair and also the old comment on Resistance and Support levels when a Resistance or support one touches more than another one it is more valuable. This case is also valid in touch points but with a little difference (remember me to describe the difference please)! I call it Number of Market and Beloved Price Dates (As it gets more and more they will know each other better and they can trust each other more! Seems Market loves Polygamy )


The Second factor is Priorities of High Time frame. It is not as much as Global as the first factor but in a matter of equality number of dates of two different touch points, the one which appears on a higher time frame is the most valid one! This is called Higher Time Frame Level

And the Last and the most important one is:

If a Beloved has not been met for a long time the market missed it more, and tends to kiss it as soon as possible.
For Example if we had a turning point on A last week, and the market has gone wildly higher than Price A For the rest of the week and never met Again A, since the first appearance Of Turning point A, When it comes to a reverse trend and bearish market, Price A has a Good Positional to attract The market Attention again.

I call this Market Nostalgia

So Let’s Rank the names as the levels of Priorities

1-Market Nostalgia
2-Number of Market and Beloved Price Dates
3- Higher Time Frame Level
  • #105
  • Jan 29, 2012 2:22am Jan 29, 2012 2:22am
Ok Guys

I have got four Touch Point indics coded by myself based on ZigZag indic

1-MTF Short Time Frames
2-MTF Long time Frames
3-MTF Long Time Frames Range
4-Current Time Frame


I do the Levels by hands right now and it takes me lots of time .


"Can anyone give me a hand to Modify them and make them set the priorities As it was commented on previous post ?!"
  • #106
  • Jan 29, 2012 3:23am Jan 29, 2012 3:23am
Before the Complete Progression of Touch Point Indicator it is time now to describe somehow about the entering signals of the MTF $hah 210 ravie . when I started first to publish this Ravie for my friends plenty of them said how do you filter the wrong signals ?have you got a big oscilloscope ?!


I answered them No I use a tool, an old one!


I have heard the use of this tool in an Iranian FX Forum ( before the prohibition of Activity of FX brookers in Iran).


As I said before this ravie is totally based of Geometrical shapes ! Especially Ellipse and triangle!


Ok what is our filter?! Yes you are right Triangulation is our effective filter
But what is triangulation?


So easy! the appearance of TWO sides of a triangle which will be formed on the highs and lows of candles (each side of a triangle is shaped by three highs or lows)

Look at the examples below to find how these triangles will be formed
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  • #107
  • Edited 4:58am Jan 29, 2012 3:45am | Edited 4:58am
But how these lines will help us to do the trading?!

At first I should confess Sth.
The indicator is based on these high and lows ! Triangulation but is not as accurate as these lines !
What I mean ?!
Simple, If I could always draw these lines correctly I were the richest man on the planet (believe me by backtesting and the power of these triangles).
As you can see in the previous image when a side will break (if the side was really side) the Market will continue its trend to a specific location

this location can be one of these :

first a formation of another Triangle or reaching to the side of a bigger triangle

and second : reaching to a touch point level.

Ok as you know there are always hands higher the hands ( means, always there is a stronger Wave than a Wave).So we should always try to distinguish the strongest viewable Triangle.


You Can see the Image below
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  • #108
  • Jan 29, 2012 5:26am Jan 29, 2012 5:26am
Now you ask why don’t you use these simple triangulation job to get the enter signals?!


Again Easy answer! Because it is really hard to distinguish the higher Priority triangle when trading!


It is easy in backtesting because you see the future but in forward testing it is really tough.Try It


I remember a period for 30 days when I tried real hard to distinguish better and better, but I got no more than 60% accuracy to find the most valid ones.I Called a small account because of bad money management with this strategy.

Perhaps there are more experienced traders who can find the best triangles or channels or trend lines with much more accuracy. But for me, it wasn’t easy enough.
Then I tried to find a way to overcome this failure , and it leads me to achieve a good formula which can model these triangles better , then I coded the indic $hah+ with these formulas ( Very Easy ones).
But as you know modeling a real thing is not 100% correct and it lacks some accuracy. So I will mix these triangulation with the Indic to reduce the wrong signals as many as possible.The most valid triangulation will be appeared after the signal of indic ( but need some comparing ability to find the best signals)
  • #109
  • Edited 5:37am Jan 29, 2012 5:37am | Edited 5:37am
I'm really enjoying your teachings shahrooz67.

Please stay encouraged
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #110
  • Jan 29, 2012 7:55am Jan 29, 2012 7:55am
Quoting shahrooz67
Now you ask why don’t you use these simple triangulation job to get the enter signals?!


Again Easy answer! Because it is really hard to distinguish the higher Priority triangle when trading!


It is easy in backtesting because you see the future but in forward testing it is really tough.Try It


I remember a period for 30 days when I tried real hard to distinguish better and better, but I got no more than 60% accuracy to find the most valid ones.I Called a small account because of bad money management with this strategy.

Perhaps...
Hello Shahrooz,

First I would like to say that you really have much knowledge. I am enjoying your explanations. I'm learning a lot. Thanks for that.
You are tottaly right when you said: " Simple, If I could always draw these lines correctly I were the richest man on the planet..." . But, this is my question: Is it possible to create an indicator which can identify triangles patterns and draw trend lines?
I'm a fan of Elliott Waves theory. As you said earlier the analysis of these triangles patterns are similar to elliott waves. Am I right? If I am right, it would be possible to refine existing code/indicator for the elliot waves and adapt them to the triangulation?
If I Change, the whole World changes!
  • #111
  • Edited 1:32pm Jan 29, 2012 8:17am | Edited 1:32pm
Quoting Forex Girl
[b][i]Hello Shahrooz,

First I would like to say that you really have much knowledge. I am enjoying your explanations. I'm learning a lot. Thanks for that.
You are tottaly right when you said: " Simple, If I could always draw these lines correctly I were the richest man on the planet..." . But, this is my question: Is it possible to create an indicator which can identify triangles patterns and draw trend lines?
I'm a fan of Elliott Waves theory. As you said earlier the analysis of these triangles patterns are similar to elliott waves. Am I right?...
Salute Madmoisselle

first of all thx for your kind words.
Yes every thing which has a similarity to the Waves is similar to the Elliot Waves.

You know they are all the same in a Public case : Wave !

But for your question i doubt if i can or anyone else code an indicator which tell you all the exact waves . what i did during past year was just Trial and errors to guess a formula to modelize sth to be similar to our pattern and triangulation

They are not exactly what triangles do but they are just a similar pattern of them.

Seems you know very well about Elliot Wave because you are also familiar with triangles As you know one of the best ways to predict the number of Elliot waves and the ranking of them is using the Triangles etc.

that was very good suggestion for adapting an Elliot Wave indicator to triangulations but i am not really expert in coding and programming . but i guess it works

and what i have all talked about during these posts were almost about Wave Theories ( not exactly the Elliot)



Elliot Waves are special forms of hundreds of waves models,they could have been wisely adapted with the market. This theory is really interesting and fully developed; if you can distinguish them they are really awful. But as you know it is difficult. what I have tried during past year was completely about working on the Waves and the First sources Only, not exactly Elliot Waves which they have passed their exams before .
  • #112
  • Jan 29, 2012 8:19am Jan 29, 2012 8:19am
Quoting itsallover
I'm really enjoying your teachings shahrooz67.

Please stay encouraged
Thx man .

I am doing my best to fullfinish all i did in a year to post here in 2-3 days .

Regards
Shahrooz
  • #113
  • Jan 29, 2012 12:55pm Jan 29, 2012 12:55pm
first of all i should thank a guy who gave me the idea to work on the triangulation his name is khamsi and i do not know whether he has sucseed in his way or not , i do not know what was exactly his method but i do know he was working on fractals as mathematical issue. i changed my way and came up with some more physics in the waves .

But there are some points in the triangles:

1-they are good geometrical shapes to form fractals because they will keep the angles and length of the sides when changing the size and the size factor

2-when you identify a triangle you should expect the candles to get more and more shorter when they are reaching to the head of the triangle ( the intersection point of two sides)

3-each triangle can be a part of bigger triangle

4-breaking of a side means the movement of the Price to the direction of breaking

5-if the candles go through the head of triangle , the triangle you have drawn is totally wrong(i have heard this of khamsi and found it correct)
  • #114
  • Jan 29, 2012 1:51pm Jan 29, 2012 1:51pm
Following your thread since day one.... All the best
  • #115
  • Edited 2:18pm Jan 29, 2012 1:57pm | Edited 2:18pm
Hey guys please vote for your option

if I know which choice in on fire then I can handle the posts better.
I will continue the posts according to the results ( It works more democratically)


Maybe I should stop posting
  • #116
  • Jan 29, 2012 3:15pm Jan 29, 2012 3:15pm
Shahrooz, you're doing such a nice job!

And the poll you added to the thread is a very good idea. I voted for: "I am following seriously and need more details."
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #117
  • Jan 29, 2012 5:24pm Jan 29, 2012 5:24pm
I´ve voted for: "Seems good but needs more practical and examples."

If I Change, the whole World changes!
  • #118
  • Jan 29, 2012 5:32pm Jan 29, 2012 5:32pm
Quoting Favorite
I voted for: "I am following seriously and need more details."
Me too
  • #119
  • Jan 29, 2012 6:08pm Jan 29, 2012 6:08pm
Quoting shahrooz67
first of all i should thank a guy who gave me the idea to work on the triangulation his name is khamsi and i do not know whether he has sucseed in his way or not , i do not know what was exactly his method but i do know he was working on fractals as mathematical issue. i changed my way and came up with some more physics in the waves .

But there are some points in the triangles:

1-they are good geometrical shapes to form fractals because they will keep the angles and length of the sides when changing the size and the size factor

2-when you...
Hi Shahrooz,

I opened a mini account and start trading using your system. Please feel free to criticize and correct my mistakes.
Below is my first analysis of triangulation. If my triangle is correct, then the price will break the bottom or top of triangle line. I realize that actually the candle size decreased as they approach the intersection point of two sides (as you´ve said: "the candles to get more and more shorter when they are reaching to the head of the triangle"). Fantastic. So, if the Shah indicator shows blue and price break top triangle side, I enter buy. But if the Shah indicator shows red and the price break bottom triangle side, I enter sell. Finally, if the candles go through the head of triangle, my triangle is wrong (but I think It will be sell).
Please, give me a feed back. This is my first understanding.

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english! I´m from Brazil.

Thank you!
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  • #120
  • Jan 29, 2012 6:13pm Jan 29, 2012 6:13pm
I enter sell EU 1.32044. TF 15 min. My Sl is visual. Let´s see where the price will go....
Broker gmt +2. I´m from brazil - GMT -3. Right now is 10:12 pm (01/29).
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