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  • #22,201
  • Nov 15, 2011 4:41pm Nov 15, 2011 4:41pm
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
Quoting HiddenGap
You are correct about them needing confirmation - with the next bar down. However, the place to put your entry would be just below the low of the No Demand or Up Thrust. If the next interval makes a lower low, you are brought into the market. But since it can make a lower low before it closes lower, you can be brought in prior to confirmation. So in the best case sinario, you would always be brought into the market before the Sow is confined.
yes, but what about the worse case scenario?
if the bar make's a lower low but close on high with higher/lower vol, it will change the story...after a nd we get shake out/test, that will imply the bulls are still in control. the stop loss it will be tight but it's the idea, you will still want to be short or you will want to get short, on the same consideration, after you see the close of the bar?
  • #22,202
  • Edited Nov 16, 2011 10:26am Nov 15, 2011 8:44pm | Edited Nov 16, 2011 10:26am
Quoting s7c
yes, but what about the worse case scenario?
if the bar make's a lower low but close on high with higher/lower vol, it will change the story...after a nd we get shake out/test, that will imply the bulls are still in control. the stop loss it will be tight but it's the idea, you will still want to be short or you will want to get short, on the same consideration, after you see the close of the bar?
Suppose you wait for the next bar to confirm by closing down. Your short entry would be breaking two (2) rules:

1. Chasing the market.
2. Entering short on a down bar. VSA state you should be selling on up bars and buying on down bars. Like the pros do.

( you have to know the rules before you can break them)

Because a No Demand can be followed by an Up Thrust, Tom, Gavin, Seb, Eigar and many other VSA experts place a sell limit just below the low of the No Demand. Therefore, the entry signal to get short remains an up bar ( rule 2) and keeps one from chasing the market if the next interval turns out to be a wide spread down bar.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #22,203
  • Nov 15, 2011 11:53pm Nov 15, 2011 11:53pm
Quoting HiddenGap
2. Entering short on a down bar. VSA state you should be buying on up bars and selling on down bars. Like the pros do.
I think you meant to say selling on up bars and buying on down bars
  • #22,204
  • Nov 16, 2011 8:00am Nov 16, 2011 8:00am
Quoting s7c
pretty nice, but the signs of weakness (ND, upthrust) need to be confirmed, both were but later then your entries...
Before that I'll confirm market background
So when appear ND UT I'll enter directly
Of course what you choose confirm that's right, but I don't like it, because some time will be Efforts to fall
  • #22,205
  • Nov 17, 2011 9:43am Nov 17, 2011 9:43am
  •  s7c
  • | Joined Mar 2011 | Status: try and fail but don't fail to try | 289 Posts
pretty confusing day. allot of weakness in the perfect place but still something is going on...
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  • #22,206
  • Nov 17, 2011 2:44pm Nov 17, 2011 2:44pm
New member to FF and to trading. Just starting to learn VSA so please excuse me if I misread or labeled any of the bars. This is just what I see with my limited experience.

This was a short setup in the supply zone of euro today.

1st arrow have a supply coming in on high volume showing supply has entered the market.

2nd arrow we have another wide spread up bar ending well of the highs, this was the highest vol. 15 min bar of this week, also next bar is down. good SOW.

3rd arrow another high volume up bar, it makes a new high but ends well of the high, another SOW.

4th arrow I would consider upthrust/no demand, looks like prices marked up then came back down to end in the lower part of the bar with volume less then 2 previous bars, to me this would indicate no interest in higher prices from the SM. It also bounces right of a weekly support that has now turned resistance. I wouldn't enter yet as waiting on the MA to confirm.

5th arrow no demand, doesn't make a lower low, also the high goes right up to the ultra high volume bars close which would be my trigger line. This is exactly what I would like to see at this point. Entry would be on the break of the low of this bar. At this time my MA has turned red and confirmed the trend change so this would be an ideal entry.

Will be continuing my learning and posting up more charts so any and all is feedback welcome. Thanks!
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  • #22,207
  • Nov 17, 2011 4:59pm Nov 17, 2011 4:59pm
Quoting krazy_pips27
New member to FF and to trading. Just starting to learn VSA so please excuse me if I misread or labeled any of the bars. This is just what I see with my limited experience.

This was a short setup in the supply zone of euro today.

1st arrow have a supply coming in on high volume showing supply has entered the market.

2nd arrow we have another wide spread up bar ending well of the highs, this was the highest vol. 15 min bar of this week, also next bar is down. good SOW.

3rd arrow another high volume up bar, it makes a new high but ends well...
Welcome to the thread. Very nice post; it hints of the goodness to come. Can't wait.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #22,208
  • Nov 17, 2011 11:18pm Nov 17, 2011 11:18pm
Quoting HiddenGap
Welcome to the thread. Very nice post; it hints of the goodness to come. Can't wait.

Thanks HG, all of you guys have made huge contributions to the knowledge I have gained so far and it's much appreciated.
  • #22,209
  • Nov 18, 2011 2:23pm Nov 18, 2011 2:23pm
Quoting krazy_pips27
New member to FF and to trading. Just starting to learn VSA so please excuse me if I misread or labeled any of the bars. This is just what I see with my limited experience.

This was a short setup in the supply zone of euro today.

1st arrow have a supply coming in on high volume showing supply has entered the market.

2nd arrow we have another wide spread up bar ending well of the highs, this was the highest vol. 15 min bar of this week, also next bar is down. good SOW.

3rd arrow another high volume up bar, it makes a new high but ends well...
The bar I highlighted is almost an ideal place to go short. You have weakness in the background, the spread is narrow and in the body of the previous bar (inside bar) which is also an effort to push through support. The volume is very low indicating that there is no effort to push up, and the close is on the low of the bar right on support and just slightly below the low of the previous bar. Also it is in an area of multiple trigger lines. If you only look for entries like this then you can make a fine living by taking only a few trades per month.
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  • #22,210
  • Nov 18, 2011 3:43pm Nov 18, 2011 3:43pm
Quoting apple_sauce
The bar I highlighted is almost an ideal place to go short. You have weakness in the background, the spread is narrow and in the body of the previous bar (inside bar) which is also an effort to push through support. The volume is very low indicating that there is no effort to push up, and the close is on the low of the bar right on support and just slightly below the low of the previous bar. Also it is in an area of multiple trigger lines. If you only look for entries like this then you can make a fine living by taking only a few trades per month....
looks like a good setup did you take that trade?
  • #22,211
  • Nov 21, 2011 2:03am Nov 21, 2011 2:03am
A simple trade
Very easy to find good entry price.
This is the idea of trading VSA advantages and charm.
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  • #22,212
  • Nov 21, 2011 4:39am Nov 21, 2011 4:39am
http://beathespread.com/blog/view/3949/short-term-volatility-patterns-or-something-else


Please have a look at this shot. Today we had an accumulation of orders below and above. Please forgive me for the analogy but this look exactly like the accumulation of orders at the roulette game in the casino.

Faites vos jeux

The analogy is so obvious. And as the volatility peak comes at the 9:00 the volatility comes in and ...

Les jeux sont faits; Rien ne va plus

And we have a breakout, black or red that is the game, in Oanda green or red.

However we see that we have a penetration depth. And that is the limits where the price for the break - out can go.

If it goes beyond that would lead to the assumption that some other market forces are taking places and those forces are beyound the short term volatility patterns related with accumulation and distribution of open orders.
  • #22,213
  • Nov 21, 2011 1:59pm Nov 21, 2011 1:59pm
Quoting Usfed
looks like a good setup did you take that trade?
No I was just pointing it out. I did take a similar one today
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  • #22,214
  • Nov 22, 2011 5:44am Nov 22, 2011 5:44am
Hello,

Long time no post!

Myself and Steve Gill have set up a dedicated VSA forum that we'd like to openly invite people to. As the name suggests, the forum is for VSA. We wish to promote further discussion on the subject as well as helping each other to learn and develop in this field of trading.

If you have an interesting in joining, either drop me or Steve a PM and we'll send on the link.

Cheers,

Liam
  • #22,215
  • Nov 22, 2011 6:55am Nov 22, 2011 6:55am
New to VSA and would like to Thank everyone here who contributes. I have learned ALOT reading through the previous posts.
  • #22,216
  • Nov 22, 2011 7:26am Nov 22, 2011 7:26am
i want to join VSA please hel,thanks
  • #22,217
  • Nov 22, 2011 8:41am Nov 22, 2011 8:41am
looks like usd/cad is ready for a drop. seems to be pushing through support right now.
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  • #22,218
  • Nov 22, 2011 9:52am Nov 22, 2011 9:52am
Took this trade earlier today.
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Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #22,219
  • Nov 22, 2011 11:34am Nov 22, 2011 11:34am
Long @ .35257
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #22,220
  • Nov 22, 2011 11:36am Nov 22, 2011 11:36am
Quoting HiddenGap
Long @ .35257
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