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  • #221
  • Nov 11, 2011 12:36am Nov 11, 2011 12:36am
Quoting nubcake

if ANYTHING is the gravity within this joint it's the things hanover says. he isn't an almighty deity to be worshipped and followed without thought... but so far the trend is that something like 9 times out of 10 what hanover says is on the money and factual.

then why the hell do you bother trying to refute what he has said?
The characteristic of a good idea is that after you do your best to disagree with it, you reluctantly find that you in fact agree. So my advice is to do your very best to disagree with everything that David says. The end result is that you will end up with a lot of good ideas. That is certainly what I do.

And welcome to the Hanover fan club.
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  • #222
  • Nov 11, 2011 12:53am Nov 11, 2011 12:53am
Quoting AaronWard
The characteristic of a good idea is that after you do your best to disagree with it, you reluctantly find that you in fact agree. So my advice is to do your very best to disagree with everything that David says. The end result is that you will end up with a lot of good ideas. That is certainly what I do.

And welcome to the Hanover fan club.
why disagree with reality? if i wanted to disagree with reality i'd join a church.... any church.

and how do you deduce that i'm in the hanover fan club? as far as i'm concerned he's just a nice version of me, and i'm my own biggest fan
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  • #223
  • Nov 11, 2011 1:14am Nov 11, 2011 1:14am
Quoting nubcake
why disagree with reality? if i wanted to disagree with reality i'd join a church.... any church.

and how do you deduce that i'm in the hanover fan club? as far as i'm concerned he's just a nice version of me, and i'm my own biggest fan
Ideas are never reality. And if I were you I would start using caps and exclamation marks. This is perhaps the most basic mistake any thinker can ever make.
Kill the ego, or it will kill the mission.
  • #224
  • Nov 11, 2011 1:23am Nov 11, 2011 1:23am
Quoting AaronWard
Ideas are never reality. And if I were you I would start using caps and exclamation marks. This is perhaps the most basic mistake any thinker can ever make.
long ago i decided i didn't care enough to bother with certain punctuation online. it only serves to slow my typing. notice how i still used the " ' " in "didn't"? that's because firefox underlines it as a typo if i don't (<--- another example) properly punctuate the contraction.

and if you are going to get philosophical then we are going to end-up back where we started where it becomes personal perspective which dictates what is and what is not, and therefore an individual can stake claim to any reality they like despite it conflicting with every single other person in existence. :nerd:
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  • #225
  • Nov 11, 2011 1:40am Nov 11, 2011 1:40am
Seriously nubs, my suggestion to try to disagree with David (and everybody else) is a very practical suggestion. This is not philosophy but recommended course of action. What is more, it is one that you have taken to heart.

But perhaps you are thrown off by my use of the word disagree? Perhaps I should add an adverb so it reads disagree intelligently?
Kill the ego, or it will kill the mission.
  • #226
  • Nov 11, 2011 2:08am Nov 11, 2011 2:08am
Quoting AaronWard
Seriously nubs, my suggestion to try to disagree with David (and everybody else) is a very practical suggestion. This is not philosophy but recommended course of action. What is more, it is one that you have taken to heart.

But perhaps you are thrown off by my use of the word disagree? Perhaps I should add an adverb so it reads disagree intelligently?
but disagree about what exactly? you give me an example of something i should disagree with david about? should i disagree with him if he says that 1 + 1 = 2? should i disagree with him when he says that water is wet? what do you propose that i disagree with him about?

what you are suggesting to me, or asking of me, is to make-up something to be disagreeable with hanover about. yet, there is no disagreement to be had.

we've disagreed about different windows OS's in the past (because david was wrong.... YES YOU WERE HANOVER SO SHHH!). but right now at this point in time what truth or fact do you want me to disagree with?

what you are saying not only doesn't make sense it's actually missing the point of just about everything that has been said at one point or another. there are subjective things, and objective things. objective things are either correct or incorrect. so what fact should i now CHOOSE to disagree with, and what exactly is the benefit to me or anyone else for disagreeing with what is factual?

your next post might suggest something along the lines of a disagreement furthering new thoughts and whatever.... no! you provide the new thoughts if you have them, but don't expect me to disagree with someone for the sake of it with no stake on some new idea or perspective.

generally all bases are covered on certain topics, so either introduce something new to ponder and discuss and argue over, or don't.

when you continue to reduce complexity to a core idea or concept you begin to reveal elegance. it will withstand scrutiny through it's purity of truth.
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  • #227
  • Nov 11, 2011 2:21am Nov 11, 2011 2:21am
Quoting nubcake
but disagree about what exactly? you give me an example of something i should disagree with david about? should i disagree with him if he says that 1 + 1 = 2? should i disagree with him when he says that water is wet? what do you propose that i disagree with him about?

what you are suggesting to me, or asking of me, is to make-up something to be disagreeable with hanover about. yet, there is no disagreement to be had.

we've disagreed about different windows OS's in the past (because david was wrong.... YES YOU WERE HANOVER SO SHHH!). but...
Cheers Nubs,

My advice is out there, I do it, it works well for me and my stake is that I want to make money on forex. There is so much noise out there that the only solution is to treat everything sceptically. A critical attitude has worked wonders at figuring out things and when I get certain things right I get paid for it.


However, further back and forth on this issue...

To quote a certain nubcake "Don't expect me to disagree with somebody for the sake of it with no stake".
Kill the ego, or it will kill the mission.
  • #228
  • Nov 11, 2011 4:34am Nov 11, 2011 4:34am
Quoting AaronWard
Cheers Nubs,

My advice is out there, I do it, it works well for me and my stake is that I want to make money on forex. There is so much noise out there that the only solution is to treat everything sceptically. A critical attitude has worked wonders at figuring out things and when I get certain things right I get paid for it.


However, further back and forth on this issue...

To quote a certain nubcake "Don't expect me to disagree with somebody for the sake of it with no stake".
yeah but at some point you have to come to your own conclusions and reduce unknowns into knowns with your critical thinking. unless something happens to cause reconsideration then what you know is what you know.

some would come here and claim that hedging is this and hedging is that.... expecting to revolutionize our puny brains with spectacular new ideas. but we're years and years ahead of this and know the end of the story before the newb gets there. in the meantime the newb sings and dances and makes a stooge of himself while we wait for the inevitable. hell, even the OP was ahead of the game compared to some of these people. there is nothing new to consider here, so it's the same old story. we know how it ends, while others are still catching-up. some never will get there.

we've used our critical thinking and have distilled the cream from the crap and have perspective that sees all of the angles discovered so far.

don't quote nubcake. that guy is a total dumbshit. just ask around!
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  • #229
  • Nov 11, 2011 4:50am Nov 11, 2011 4:50am
Quoting AaronWard
The characteristic of a good idea is that after you do your best to disagree with it, you reluctantly find that you in fact agree.
full circle
Kill the ego, or it will kill the mission.
  • #230
  • Nov 11, 2011 4:56am Nov 11, 2011 4:56am
Quoting AaronWard
full circle
only one of many within a larger broader circle.

i'm spinning... SPINNING....
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  • #231
  • Nov 13, 2011 11:43am Nov 13, 2011 11:43am
Quoting nubcake
normfx, the ff detective....

steviet, as per your post, used a stop. at SOME POINT he said "fuck this i'm wrong". if you want to enjoy the thought of averaging down then have at it norm, but the position of most muppets is that they average down until they bust their account out of play entirely.

that's NOT what your post is referring to at all. one might consider it to be a form of scaling-in, if anything.

as for hedging.... ffs how many times does it have to be said. hedging has nothing to do with having opposing trades on the same currency...

Steviet still trades His system..ask David..He's one of the 1% while you're one of the 99% I mean c'mon that's obvious..its easy to tell by your posts..hey its the odds of the stats..continually trying to attack people won't make you a winner..I may be able to help you succeed, but you really need to stop biting the hand that may feed you one day..its not becoming..rather childish of you, don't you think?
entry - 1.29250 s/l 200 pips
  • #232
  • Nov 13, 2011 7:09pm Nov 13, 2011 7:09pm
Quoting normfx
Steviet still trades His system..ask David..He's one of the 1% while you're one of the 99% I mean c'mon that's obvious..its easy to tell by your posts..hey its the odds of the stats..continually trying to attack people won't make you a winner..I may be able to help you succeed, but you really need to stop biting the hand that may feed you one day..its not becoming..rather childish of you, don't you think?
oh please normfx. the only thing you have to feed anyone is tired attempts to back-up your girlfriend. assume all you like about me, as i know you will. you just aren't clever enough norm to appreciate the reality around you.

i'll make it simple for you norm. consider me wrong about everything, go on your merry way with me on ignore, and profit

as for steviet 'still trading his system'.... i don't really call 5 odd trades a year to be 'trading'. that's more like investing and has no relevance to me at all. and i mean at all.
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  • #233
  • Nov 13, 2011 7:20pm Nov 13, 2011 7:20pm
im just watching the discussion. please continue ...
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #234
  • Nov 13, 2011 7:22pm Nov 13, 2011 7:22pm
Norm may I recommend the dumpster for ya..errr I mean the recycle bin...

It's where we throw out the hands that feed you. The noses we bite off to spite your face..All the good stuff.

Just stay out of my bin.

http://www.forexfactory.com/forumdis...=17&order=desc
Markets are Mirrors,,Mastery of craft is mastery of self
  • #235
  • Nov 13, 2011 8:23pm Nov 13, 2011 8:23pm
Quoting nubcake
oh please normfx. the only thing you have to feed anyone is tired attempts to back-up your girlfriend. assume all you like about me, as i know you will. you just aren't clever enough norm to appreciate the reality around you.

i'll make it simple for you norm. consider me wrong about everything, go on your merry way with me on ignore, and profit

as for steviet 'still trading his system'.... i don't really call 5 odd trades a year to be 'trading'. that's more like investing and has no relevance to me at all. and i mean at all.
Oh go write another losing ea and tell everyone how good you are..fool
entry - 1.29250 s/l 200 pips
  • #236
  • Nov 13, 2011 8:34pm Nov 13, 2011 8:34pm
Quoting normfx
Oh go write another losing ea and tell everyone how good you are..fool
i think you have me confused with mr hopwood. find, anywhere, a losing EA of 'mine'.

that's how dumb you are. you can't even associate the correct angst against the correct person. well done champ.
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  • #237
  • Nov 13, 2011 8:45pm Nov 13, 2011 8:45pm
Quoting nubcake
i think you have me confused with mr hopwood. find, anywhere, a losing EA of 'mine'.

that's how dumb you are. you can't even associate the correct angst against the correct person. well done champ.

LMAO
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  • #238
  • Jan 13, 2017 10:27pm Jan 13, 2017 10:27pm
Hi All seniors traders
myself is Muhammad Afzal from UAE.
Joined today at friday this blog.

Just started a Forex trade this monday and today is my 1st weekend in this industry.

i have open trade in sell eurousd with 0.05 voloum.
i was still in loss since 2 days and chance to get wash my all account balance at weekend holidays .
at friday mid night i open trade in a buy eurousd to keep balance and avoid loss.

is this okay or i did a mistake ?

Sorry for language mistakes if its hard to understand.

Thank you .
  • #239
  • Edited 3:11am Jan 14, 2017 2:52am | Edited 3:11am
Quoting chafzal22
Hi All seniors traders myself is Muhammad Afzal from UAE. Joined today at friday this blog. Just started a Forex trade this monday and today is my 1st weekend in this industry. i have open trade in sell eurousd with 0.05 voloum. i was still in loss since 2 days and chance to get wash my all account balance at weekend holidays . at friday mid night i open trade in a buy eurousd to keep balance and avoid loss. is this okay or i did a mistake ? Sorry for language mistakes if its hard to understand. Thank you .
You are not avoiding the loss, it is now locked in.
On the positive side, you now have time to consider your next move.
Question: How do you get out of this without a loss ?
  • #240
  • Last Post: Jan 14, 2017 4:33am Jan 14, 2017 4:33am
give you back the necessary margin to fight
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