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  • #261
  • Aug 25, 2011 9:02am Aug 25, 2011 9:02am
anybody knows or can explain why the fast sudden upsurge of eurusd price at 1.44022 to 1.44568? i checked the news but that was 40 minutes ago from the start of the upsurge?

I am not really sure how to analyse this the only thing i know is what to look for entry from bottom or top. LOL!

any understandable explanation will be much appreciated.
  • #262
  • Aug 25, 2011 11:02am Aug 25, 2011 11:02am
Quoting cableguy_mcm
BTW clifton i do have lot lot of questions for you and i want answers for them to clear my thoughs coz MTM confused me so so so much

ok i will write the question list then post it
Sure, that's a good idea.
  • #263
  • Aug 25, 2011 11:36am Aug 25, 2011 11:36am
Hi Liam,

I saw you play a lot of trigger number. I'm also quite interested in those trigger levels. Do you mind tell us a bit about it? Is it reliable for real trading, I mean live trade because we could always find trigger level at the hindsight.

Thax
  • #264
  • Aug 25, 2011 11:39am Aug 25, 2011 11:39am
Quoting duyk20
Hi Liam,

I saw you play a lot of trigger number. I'm also quite interested in those trigger levels. Do you mind tell us a bit about it? Is it reliable for real trading, I mean live trade because we could always find trigger level at the hindsight.

Thax
Was that a snide dig at the methods i'm using or do you genuinely want an explanation?

Triggers are great. My own confidence is a work in progress.
  • #265
  • Aug 25, 2011 11:44am Aug 25, 2011 11:44am
Quoting KinsaleForex
Was that a snide dig at the methods i'm using or do you genuinely want an explanation?

Triggers are great. My own confidence is a work in progress.
Oh well.. Sorry if i sound a bit of snide

I read about it but want to hear from a trader who actually trade them
  • #266
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:09pm Aug 25, 2011 12:09pm
Quoting Clifton
Although many concepts here are taken from that book, it's NOT a necessity for those who are following this thread.
Hey Clifton, I'm interested in your theories because I have always believed until now that the only way to learn VSA and be successful is to study MTM. That's what Seamus's thread says, that's what Malc's thread says as well.

Can you share some of your insight and knowledge - what are you doing differently that means I don't need MTM anymore? I am keen to learn.

Peace brother.
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  • #267
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:18pm Aug 25, 2011 12:18pm
Quoting Steve Gill
Hey Clifton, I'm interested in your theories because I have always believed until now that the only way to learn VSA and be successful is to study MTM. That's what Seamus's thread says, that's what Malc's thread says as well.

Can you share some of your insight and knowledge - what are you doing differently that means I don't need MTM anymore? I am keen to learn.

Peace brother.
What am I doing differently from MTM? Simplifying things by focusing mainly on the balance of supply/demand at price levels, and taking a bit more from Wyckoff.

Share insight and knowledge? I figure I have been doing that by posting my method of determining background, showing live entries with a full explanation, and answering and encouraging questions.

I'm not trying to write a book here, but instead, use live examples as they come up. I'm not holding anything back, so in time all of the details of my trading will be shown. Thanks.
  • #268
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:26pm Aug 25, 2011 12:26pm
Quoting KinsaleForex
I implore you to finish reading MTM. Then do it again. And again.
Thanks. Is there a copy that does not advetise Traderguider?

honestly, i do plan to try to read MTM for further understanding after I really understand what Clifton is teaching not just following what he sees in his examples.
  • #269
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:28pm Aug 25, 2011 12:28pm
Quoting duyk20

Reading the summary mtm pdf is just enough, the rest is sweat and tear we put in real trading and analyzing.
Exactly. We are pulling this off month after month, live and in the field. A book is just a book, and software with tons of arrows is just software.
  • #270
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:32pm Aug 25, 2011 12:32pm
Quoting Clifton
What am I doing differently from MTM? Simplifying things by focusing mainly on the balance of supply/demand at price levels, and taking a bit more from Wyckoff.

Share insight and knowledge? I figure I have been doing that by posting my method of determining background, showing live entries with a full explanation, and answering and encouraging questions.

I'm not trying to write a book here, but instead, use live examples as they come up. I'm not holding anything back, so in time all of the details of my trading will be shown. Thanks.
Hello Clifton: nice to meet you. I approve of your approach. The names of the bars don't matter. What does matter is learning to recognize the volume vs spread patterns that form set ups. Everything one needs to know is in the charts. Williams and Holmes are nice people; their books are informative to read. Making money is what the game is about. You're doing good. Thanks for posting.

Catch you later.
  • #271
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:35pm Aug 25, 2011 12:35pm
Quoting coalvin
Thanks. Is there a copy that does not advetise Traderguider?

honestly, i do plan to try to read MTM for further understanding after I really understand what Clifton is teaching not just following what he sees in his examples.
The VSA summary pdf files from the Trading Laboratory VSA threads contain many good examples of VSA setups and explanations. The other FF VSA theads contain many docs or pdf files about VSA techniques.
  • #272
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:39pm Aug 25, 2011 12:39pm
Quoting rbumbalough
The VSA summary pdf files from the Trading Laboratory VSA threads contain many good examples of VSA setups and explanations. The other FF VSA theads contain many docs or pdf files about VSA techniques.
Thanks I'll search for them for further reading on weekends. :nerd:

does this "Trading Laboratory VSA" thread exist here or is it shamus' thread?
  • #273
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:39pm Aug 25, 2011 12:39pm
lol..ok now you guys got me going, but my thread so I can say what I want lol.


I believe in "live and let live". This is why I've stopped posting in other threads, so I can be opinionated without intruding on others. I encourage people to do whatever THEY feel to do, and they DON'T have to justify it to anyone else. This is true freedom. Live free.

It makes no sense to become angry or feel diminished because others don't act as you do, unless you need reassurance for an insecurity.

Don't worry about what everyone else is doing. I've noticed that others will not be there to bail you out when their advise doesn't turn out good. Make your OWN mistakes, that's how you grow to your potential.

This thread is simply where i share what I do for those who chose for themselves to listen.
  • #274
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:41pm Aug 25, 2011 12:41pm
Quoting rbumbalough
Hello Clifton: nice to meet you. I approve of your approach. The names of the bars don't matter. What does matter is learning to recognize the....
Nice to meet you too, thanks.
  • #275
  • Aug 25, 2011 12:52pm Aug 25, 2011 12:52pm
Quoting Clifton
lol..ok now you guys got me going, but my thread so I can say what I want lol.


I believe in "live and let live". This is why I've stopped posting in other threads, so I can be opinionated without intruding on others. I encourage people to do whatever THEY feel to do, and they DON'T have to justify it to anyone else. This is true feedom. Live free.

It makes no sense to become angry or feel diminished because others don't act as you do, unless you need reassurance for an insecurity.

Don't worry about what everyone else is doing..do what...
i agree. it works and very simple. I am done reviewing my trades, mistake and what did i miss. gonna head to bed now.
  • #276
  • Aug 25, 2011 3:01pm Aug 25, 2011 3:01pm
getting some heat in the oven here ,

final word about tradeguider ppl MTM undeclaired secrets book, i like tom and gavin
i read the books MTM is good undeclaired also good, but you have to make your sense about VSA the problem is bar definitions always change that what got me confusing that's all.
found the easy way like clif `ton taking the back ground from H1 and jumping to lower frames as low as 3 min to catch the formation that puts you right into the move use what ever tactics you have i use lot of tactics to ride not only VSA setups what ever appear first i take it.

ok let's make this short any one could just make a post with each SOS or SOW definition ... tom talks about 6 things you have to watch out for
SOS: upthrust - ND on high volume with narrow range - climax buy
SOW: shake outs - NS on high volume narrow range - test of supply

so it's the 2 sides of the coin every thing is SOS and SOW so you might have shake out before going down you have upthrust and rverse up thrust see.. now the real problem is bar definitions

with exact words .. what does upthrust look like??
what does shake out look like with details about volume and spread
what does stopping vol look like with details again " volume and spread"
what does top/botom reversal look like ??
when to use higher high and lower low coz they are extra weakness or strenght
how could you sopt failed test and what does they look like??

that's what i'm talking about real defintions. i still have some extra books for ppl who explain VSA setups as references but i 100% sure that bar definitions will vary again from one to other

ok any body could answer these with order in defintions.. all of that from the books

1.trap up move/down move what does it look like the book says any move on low volume is a trap
2. no result after strong effect
3.falling/rising presure
4. end of rising move/ end of falling move
5. hidden buy/sell

and there is lot more and i will keep posting
  • #277
  • Edited 8:34pm Aug 25, 2011 3:20pm | Edited 8:34pm
Ladies and gentlemen your precious holy grail.. (this is today, not cherry picked.)
Remember MTM and the Tradeguider software go hand in hand. They are one.
There are a couple EASY short entries here in reality. Click image to enlarge.
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  • #278
  • Aug 25, 2011 3:23pm Aug 25, 2011 3:23pm
Quoting cableguy_mcm

ok any body could answer these with order in defintions.. all of that from the books
I think all those that would attempt to answer you have been blocked at this point lol. Maybe you should ask them...over there.
  • #279
  • Aug 25, 2011 4:18pm Aug 25, 2011 4:18pm
Now let's look at the entries based on what I've taught in this thread. First one goes right into profit, second one goes 35 pips right into profit..no draw down on either trade. Why right into profit? Because it's the exact point of an extreme supply/demand imbalance.
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  • #280
  • Aug 25, 2011 7:15pm Aug 25, 2011 7:15pm
very nice clifton i sniped that on 5m enhancenig the enty on 3m with H1 back ground moving my stop on each 5m bar to the high of the previous bar made 55 pips

ok how about that now
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