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  • #21
  • Aug 14, 2011 5:12pm Aug 14, 2011 5:12pm
Quoting 2+2=4ex
So are you profitable or not? I interpretated your prior posts in this thread as frustrated with hanging around breakeven. My apologies if I misinterpreted them. I think the best way I can describe forex is in my current signature. Someone here posted that it's 80% mental. I think it's 100% mental.
Oh yeah I was thinking the other day about how forex explains the universe in a nutshell

about trading the 1M.. thats kinda like quantum mechanics.. when you get down to that small of a level things start to not make sense anymore.

Anyways just an interesting interpretation I thought of the other day
  • #22
  • Aug 14, 2011 8:27pm Aug 14, 2011 8:27pm
Quoting CindyXXXX
Hey Goosey

I can definitely relate to that feeling as for a long time I cycled between that (feel so close) feeling, and rock bottom (feel so lost) until one day, no magic light bulb moment, no eurekas, just a boring realization that there really is no "code to crack", not sure how to describe it other than to say that things just made sense one day, or perhaps fell into place. Don't get me wrong I still have much to learn but somewhere along the way that "oh so close" feeling just faded into the background and was replaced with...
That really strikes a cord with me because I know that cycle very well.

Actually you just made me think of when I was learning to be a networking guy and trying to learn routers and how routing worked. I kept at it for awhile and like you said, one day it just feel into place and made sense. Hmmm... Wow, that kinda hit me hard, thanks dude.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #23
  • Aug 14, 2011 8:31pm Aug 14, 2011 8:31pm
Quoting hayseed
//---


hey lasvahgoose..... anyone still standing after 3 years will probably see many more.......

and odds are it's not mind tricks, just positive thinkin.....h
Thanks for the kind words.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #24
  • Aug 14, 2011 8:33pm Aug 14, 2011 8:33pm
Quoting nubcake
i'm sick of this shit and just about ready to toss it in and give my life to the 9 to 5 again. 30,000 sim trades is enough to make you wonder why you bother going in circles. my balls are well and truly broken. a ball-ectomy.
I can never tell if you are being serious or just being sarcastic...
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #25
  • Aug 14, 2011 8:39pm Aug 14, 2011 8:39pm
Thanks for all the responses folks, I appreciate everyone's contribution. I just gotta keep plug'n away day by day. The last time I got knocked down I didn't want to get back up, but going to brush myself off and give it one more go.

It always seems like people quit just before they would have made it, so maybe this next turn around the corner will be the real one. gotta keep going...
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #26
  • Aug 14, 2011 8:50pm Aug 14, 2011 8:50pm
Quoting LasVahGoose
I can never tell if you are being serious or just being sarcastic...
it's a bit of both?

you can take the post you quoted at face-value though. i've been going round in circles so much i've actually affected the earth's rotation. el nino ain't got a thing on a determined trader when it comes to messing up weather patterns.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #27
  • Aug 14, 2011 9:06pm Aug 14, 2011 9:06pm
Quoting nubcake
i've been systematically pissing off people in an effort to get the v's removed. it's a slow process.
This made my laugh
  • #28
  • Aug 15, 2011 9:03am Aug 15, 2011 9:03am
When I was young I used to think that someday I would have everything that was problematic for me eventually figured out. I thought that once I got old enough (I thought 30 would be the magic number) and had enough life experience that I would have very few problems. Of course that's not what happened. Life is nothing but problems and that's what makes it interesting. What has changed is my ability to deal with my problems, both emotionally and logistically. A problem pops up and I deal with it the best I can with a lot less angst than years ago.

It's like being a mature adult. You don't wake up one day and say "aha", now I'm an adult and everything is going to change. The degree of change is gradual so that it's hard for one to see it. But without thinking about it, we act as an adult does. Sure, we act like children sometime, but that's all part of the process. An occasional bout of immaturity doesn't mean one is no longer an adult. We fuck up sometimes, but we usually know how to fix the problems we cause for ourselves.

I believe that what you're asking about is the same process. You're probably never going to wake up one day and say, "Aha, I'm now a successful trader!" I think for many this thought contains the unspoken belief that being a successful trader means no more fucking up, no more massive losing streaks, no more anxiety and stress, just no more of all the negative aspects of trading. All of these things are part of the process.

The difference is that with time and experience we learn to deal with these things differently, to the point that they no longer carry the same weight. Think of a problem you had as a teenager and how much significance you would attach to it. Then think of having the same problem as an adult and how insignificant it now seems. Yet the problem itself can be exactly the same, the only difference is perception of its significance. Also, our experience in dealing with problems allows us to know that we can fix it and move on without losing sleep over it.

I've been teaching for 2.5 decades. When I started, I had no idea what I was doing. I cannot point to any moment when I thought I was finally a good teacher. I just became one over time. I still have to work at it, still have to think about everything I do and say, still have to motivate myself at times to walk into a classroom, still have moments of indecision and doubt, and still love doing it. All of these things happen much less frequently than 20 years ago, but they're still there at times. On top of this, I've had to constantly stay on top of the profession, updating skills as needed, going to conferences to stay abreast of the latest developments, etc. It's all the same no matter what you do for a living.

The only thing that will signal your arrival as a successful trader will be a positive PnL statement at the end of the year (one that is worth the time and effort you expended). It will not be an absence of all the other stuff associated with trading. You'll feel less stressed but it will be there. You won't freak out over some stupid mistake, but those mistakes will be there, less frequently, but there nonetheless.

This has been my experience in life and trading.
  • #29
  • Aug 15, 2011 9:22am Aug 15, 2011 9:22am
Quoting Dopey
The difference is that with time and experience we learn to deal with these things differently, to the point that they no longer carry the same weight.
Nicely put, learning to manage is key.
  • #30
  • Aug 15, 2011 9:52am Aug 15, 2011 9:52am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Lol Nubcake my ol' buddy I believe I've vouched and unvouched for you about 10 times over. The thing is I love your spirit and individuality. I just can't stand your pessimism, and when you call me arrogant when I've taken the time to put my heart and sole into a positive post I just draw the line.
hope you don't mind, an interruptive comment on the topic you broached --

When someone's contributed something truly original to a mix of the site and to forex trading, usually in the price action area where I prefer, then I vouch for them. I don't care about their attitude in general or toward me, unless it threatens the rules of the site; it does help that I've related some way to them already.
  • #31
  • Edited 10:18am Aug 15, 2011 9:56am | Edited 10:18am
Quoting CindyXXXX
when I've taken the time to put my heart and sole into a positive post I just draw the line.
hardly call it putting your heart and soul into a positive post when you bitch about my assumed impending 'pointless argument', or however you put it. but whatever the beer wants you to think right now is fine with me. you are one down, 10 to go. the vouch system is a royal joke.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #32
  • Aug 15, 2011 9:57am Aug 15, 2011 9:57am
Quoting LasVahGoose
October 2011 will be the 3 year mark when I first started trading live. I went from literally knowing zero to what little I know now. I've read tons of books, paid for education, read all kinds of websites, and been a member here at FF for a bit...

I keep having this feeling like I'm really close to "cracking the code" or "to really making this work". Sometimes I want to quit, but then I say, I feel like I've come a long way and I'm close. For the people that ARE profitable traders, is this just another phase in the whole trading experience?...
I'd be interested in hearing where exactly your at currently.. like you say you feel like your just about there, why is that? why arent you left feeling like you accomplished nothing at all except running in circles?

Forgeting about everyone else on these forums and there opinions let us know what you have found works in the market best and what does not work at all.

I think you might discover a few things about yourself in this process.
  • #33
  • Aug 15, 2011 9:59am Aug 15, 2011 9:59am
Quoting nubcake
hardly call it putting your heart and sole into a positive post when you bitch about my assumed impending 'pointless argument', or however you put it. but whatever the beer wants you to think right now is fine with me. you are one down, 10 to go. the vouch system is a royal joke.
yeah its like you have to check the people who vouched to confirm..

you either end up going oh darkstar vouched this guy ok good..

or you go.. ohhh shit nubcake vouched for them.. fuck this dude


  • #34
  • Aug 15, 2011 10:16am Aug 15, 2011 10:16am
The amount of times I thought id cracked the proverbial code....

haha, if I where paid 1 cent per "aha" moment...I wouldnt need to trade since id be filthy rich.

The only thing that keeps me going is the fact that I KNOW that it all comes down to a process of (systematic) eliminination, and i have a lot to eliminate yet.

But of course, everyone has their ups and downs emotionally, wanting to quit or simply accept ones current situation in life.

And here once again what keeps me going is..."what IF you seriously are close to making it, yet, I cannot see it yet?"

Having clear reasons as to WHY one is focused on trading helps a lot.

Trading isnt the be all end all of becoming wealthy or whatever it is one wants.

There are many different ways to achieve this.

By nature im not a quitter, but i do get my doubts sometimes.

Each one has to clearly know WHY they are in this and if they truly want this as a career, simply because there are many many many different ways to achieve financial greatness in other industries.

my 2 worthless euros, and 12 cents
  • #35
  • Edited 12:33pm Aug 15, 2011 11:08am | Edited 12:33pm
Quoting Dopey
When I was young I used to think that someday I would have everything that was problematic for me eventually figured out. I thought that once I got old enough (I thought 30 would be the magic number) and had enough life experience that I would have very few problems. Of course that's not what happened. Life is nothing but problems and that's what makes it interesting. What has changed is my ability to deal with my problems, both emotionally and logistically. A problem pops up and I deal with it the best I can with a lot less angst than years...
Amazing post.. Dopey you may mind if we post this on 5 steps of trader...this surely is 5th step...

About the LV post...
Last month its been 4 years on FF for me...and more then 3 years with live trading...

I was and sometime after a loss i still think i am at that position where i think i "GET IT"....then now i slowly relaize there is nothing to get it.. its a journey...
let me add a video...which strike so much similarity to my journey in fx...

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i think and IMHO it's a journey...

i was listening some spiritual video and around 4: 13 he said

"the more u hurry, the more u delay"
"the very stress, tension will postpone th process/experience -- it will not let u relax"

that made me think and i forgot about reaching anywhere...i just started pushing myself to WORRY ABOUT PROCESS and do the process right which in turn i had FAITH that will bring RESULT (so far it is ...though slow results for me)

The Process will differ person to person ....

Listen this video and think in relation to trading....you will see so much striking familiarity...

Inserted Video



Hope i answered whatever i could....

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  • #36
  • Aug 15, 2011 11:52pm Aug 15, 2011 11:52pm
Quoting Dopey
The only thing that will signal your arrival as a successful trader will be a positive PnL statement at the end of the year (one that is worth the time and effort you expended). It will not be an absence of all the other stuff associated with trading. You'll feel less stressed but it will be there. You won't freak out over some stupid mistake, but those mistakes will be there, less frequently, but there nonetheless.

This has been my experience in life and trading.
Read this post 3 times and touches on things on several levels. Thank You taking some time out to write it. It gives me some perspective.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #37
  • Aug 16, 2011 12:04am Aug 16, 2011 12:04am
Quoting Dopey
When I was young I used to think that someday I would have everything that was problematic for me eventually figured out. I thought that once I got old enough (I thought 30 would be the magic number) and had enough life experience that I would have very few problems. Of course that's not what happened. Life is nothing but problems and that's what makes it interesting. What has changed is my ability to deal with my problems, both emotionally and logistically. A problem pops up and I deal with it the best I can with a lot less angst than years ago....
Wow. Great post. Thank you.
  • #38
  • Aug 16, 2011 12:31am Aug 16, 2011 12:31am
Quoting newyear498
I'd be interested in hearing where exactly your at currently.. like you say you feel like your just about there, why is that? why arent you left feeling like you accomplished nothing at all except running in circles?
It's not one thing, it's 100 and 1 little things. I can see improvement from when I started and for me that is a pretty big deal. Example: "The need to be right" was very crippling for me and now it just doesn't seem as important and faded in the background a bit. Not saying it's 100% gone, just that it's not that big of a deal any more.

Where I am (I feel) is I have ONE MAJOR obstacle that if I don't overcome I know I won't make it in this business. That is hard fact to deal with...
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #39
  • Aug 16, 2011 12:40am Aug 16, 2011 12:40am
Quoting indianguyinny24
Amazing post.. Dopey you may mind if we post this on 5 steps of trader...this surely is 5th step...

About the LV post...
Last month its been 4 years on FF for me...and more then 3 years with live trading...

I was and sometime after a loss i still think i am at that position where i think i "GET IT"....then now i slowly relaize there is nothing to get it.. its a journey...
let me add a video...which strike so much similarity to my journey in fx...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5xCGZuvhWI


i think and IMHO it's a journey...

i...
A little off topic, but wanted to share. I'm a regular at a coffee shop in town, I know all the employees and several of the other customers are regulars and we chit chat now and then. I normally don't pay attention to what people wear, but I couldn't help but noticed that like every other girl had the same purse. I was thinking there was sale or something. I had no idea what brand it was and I sure as hell as a guy wasn't going to ask, but I did say I was going to find out. It has been bugging me for weeks.

Then you post the first video and on the suggested videos is a picture of the purse I kept seeing all the time. LMAO. Synchronicity is a funny thing.


As far as spirituality goes... I say if someone is seeking enlightenment they should trade for a bit. You're going to learn a lot about yourself and the universe. You're also going to see yourself from a different perspective (some may not understand this, but I think traders do more so because you become so aware of the internal dialogue). I've been on a spiritual journey for a long time....
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #40
  • Aug 16, 2011 12:51am Aug 16, 2011 12:51am
Quoting LasVahGoose
A little off topic, but wanted to share. I'm a regular at a coffee shop in town, I know all the employees and several of the other customers are regulars and we chit chat now and then. I normally don't pay attention to what people wear, but I couldn't help but noticed that like every other girl had the same purse. I was thinking there was sale or something. I had no idea what brand it was and I sure as hell as a guy wasn't going to ask, but I did say I was going to find out. It has been bugging me for weeks.

Then you post the first video...
LVG,

Thanks for bringing this thread...One Dopey comment made my time..

Enjoy

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