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  • #61
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:26am Jun 27, 2011 2:26am
Listen bobowang, if I paste a link here to one (of many) systems that I know works, will go there, and only there, for the next 3 months?

If you do that, you will make money.

If you go there with the mind that they are cheaters, you will fail.

If you go there and get impatient and start visiting other systems, you will fail

If you stay here crying like a bitch, you will fail.

So, are you up for it? Make no mistake, I'll monitor your posts and see where you go and what you do.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #62
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:27am Jun 27, 2011 2:27am
Quoting realjumper
A couple of posts above you say that you trade for a living.....for almost 4 years. If that is true:

1) Why are you so desperate to get your hands on the holy grail?

2) Why is it so important that prove myself to you?

I'm not selling anything......I don't feel the need to prove myself to you or anyone else. Most astute people can tell whether I am full of shit (like you) or whether I am honest.

What do I gain by being a 'cheater'????????????
1. my system's signal is rare. most of time I just wait. so I wanna develop a short term system. and I hope someone here can show their good performance and encourage me to struggle in this short term trading field.

2. yes, because you claim you are better than me, and give me a lot of judgements. you don't have the right to do that before you show your performance. you are soooo cheap to make that judgement without showing your ability!!!
  • #63
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:27am Jun 27, 2011 2:27am
Quoting bobowang
thank you, thank you!
but before studing it. you need to know if they are successful or not. maybe it's posted by the cheaters.a lot of cheaters here, believe me. If you check the time mark, the performance pic, the details in the chart they posted, you will find them. I am smarter than the cheaters.
Usually when they describe trading strategy they also post live trades, i.e. they post trades as they trade. you can study these trades to get some idea how profitable they are. I am currently following thread "following big money", and guy who created the thread posting live trades, like screenshots of his system, and Oanda marks entry and exit of every trade so you can see where he took trade with precision up to a minute. Guy doing good job, he is definitly profitable.

Regarding assurance: you said earlier that you are successful. If you truly beleive it is a real edge and you have positive expectancy, why do you need somebody else to prove it is possible? You can know this for sure from your own experience.
  • #64
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:33am Jun 27, 2011 2:33am
Quoting bobowang
1. my system's signal is rare. most of time I just wait. so I wanna develop a short term system. and I hope someone here can show their good performance and encourage me to struggle in this short term trading field.

2. yes, because you claim you are better than me, and give me a lot of judgements. you don't have the right to do that before you show your performance. you are soooo cheap to make that judgement without showing your ability!!!
1. But you said you're a full time trader of (nearly) 4 years??......

2. I have never made any such claim that I am better than you....don't tell lies.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #65
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:43am Jun 27, 2011 2:43am
Quoting realjumper
Listen bobowang, if I paste a link here to one (of many) systems that I know works, will go there, and only there, for the next 3 months?

If you do that, you will make money.

If you go there with the mind that they are cheaters, you will fail.

If you go there and get impatient and start visiting other systems, you will fail

If you stay here crying like a bitch, you will fail.

So, are you up for it? Make no mistake, I'll monitor your posts and see where you go and what you do.
No problem. I will post all the trades I made based on that system. but the system should be clear. give you rules when to trade, the enter and exit level clear.
I hope it's not a long thread. I have saved all the threads which are longer than 1000pages with all the attachments. I need a whole day to do that for each thread.

and, If you don't like to show your performance in FF, just give me your platform visitor's pw, let me see your performance before I take your words.
  • #66
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:48am Jun 27, 2011 2:48am
Quoting realjumper
1. But you said you're a full time trader of (nearly) 4 years??......

2. I have never made any such claim that I am better than you....don't tell lies.
1. yes, most of the time, I just wait...and travel in different cities.
2. you said I am an idiot, you are not(honest).right? that means you mean you are better than me.
  • #67
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:50am Jun 27, 2011 2:50am
Quoting bobowang
No problem. I will post all the trades I made based on that system. but the system should be clear. give you rules when to trade, the enter and exit level clear.
I hope it's not a long thread. I have saved all the threads which are longer than 1000pages with all the attachments. I need a whole day to do that for each thread.

and, If you don't like to show your performance in FF, just give me your platform visitor's pw, let me see your performance before I take your words.
No, I'm not going to post my stats here for you, or anyone else, and your not getting my password. Let's get that straight.

Now you're trying to give conditions to my help.....unbelievable.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #68
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:53am Jun 27, 2011 2:53am
Quoting bobowang
1. yes, most of the time, I just wait...and travel in different cities.
2. you said I am an idiot, you are not(honest).right? that means you mean you are better than me.
1. It's hard to trade when you're on the move......trading is a job....and occupation. And as such, it is best done from one place, an office or something like that. It's not impossible to when your traveling, but it's more difficult.

2. You are behaving like an idiot. Everyone can see it.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #69
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:06am Jun 27, 2011 3:06am
Showing account performance will not give solution to know whether a system is profitable or not.
Every system has good and bad period and those period can run for years.

I made a system, made an EA for that and tested it. That system give me 1500% profit if I run it from 2008 til 2011. It is 3 years and made hundreds of trades.
If I ran that EA 3 years ago and share the system in FF now. Everybody will believe that is a profitable system.
However, when I ran that system since 1995, it gave me poor result.

However I agreed with Bobowang that there are some liars in FF.
Sometimes when I read a trading system thread, I always hoping that the thread starter show his account in his thread. It is not only to give proof that the system work but also show us where the hard times will come (series of losing trades) and how to survive against it.
A system can not be defined as a good profitable system if it has not showed the drawdown time and prove that the system can survive when it come.
  • #70
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:09am Jun 27, 2011 3:09am
Quoting cash_machine
Usually when they describe trading strategy they also post live trades, i.e. they post trades as they trade. you can study these trades to get some idea how profitable they are. I am currently following thread "following big money", and guy who created the thread posting live trades, like screenshots of his system, and Oanda marks entry and exit of every trade so you can see where he took trade with precision up to a minute. Guy doing good job, he is definitly profitable.

Regarding assurance: you said earlier that you are successful. If you...
thanks for your nice reply. just be nice to me.
about the live calls, just check the time mark, I know in some thread, they post the charts one or two hours before. only from the charts, you can't see it. you need to check the time. I haven't read the thread "following big money", I will read it.
and also about the live calls, he need give out the enter and exit levels exactly, or he can say he exit here or there based on the price movement. in that way, he can always make good results even if the system didn't works. I know several guys doing this kind of things. also, he need to give out the enter level exactly, not a range. for example, enter at 1.5000-1.5030, 50pips tp, 50pips sl. in this way, he's call will be a successful one. but in fact, it not work. (a guy in commercial area did it in this way, but his system really work. I doubted it at first, but now I believe him.)

"If you truly beleive it is a real edge and you have positive expectancy, why do you need somebody else to prove it is possible? "
I need somebody else to prove there are some successful short term trading strategies which can give out 1 or 2 signals per day or per week?
if the rr=1, win prob.= 80%, it's very easy to earn 1000 times profit in very short period of time.
  • #71
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:19am Jun 27, 2011 3:19am
Quoting Special One
Showing account performance will not give solution to know whether a system is profitable or not.
Every system has good and bad period and those period can run for years.

I made a system, made an EA for that and tested it. That system give me 1500% profit if I run it from 2008 til 2011. It is 3 years and made hundreds of trades.
If I ran that EA 3 years ago and share the system in FF now. Everybody will believe that is a profitable system.
However, when I ran that system since 1995, it gave me poor result.

However I agreed with Bobowang that...
thank you for your good points!!!
sometimes your EA works, sometime it not. maybe just because your developing methods are wrong.
you select a period of time to develop your ea, then, optimazing it. that's very easy to give you a good result. (you optimized it, try to find the small prob.event, that's not hard.), then, you tested in other periods, you find out it didn't work! ha.
there is a good example in FF, that guy show a very good result from 11,2010 to 3,2011(I think), that surprised me. and I wrote an EA, the backtest results are not good. I asked him, he said he just develop the strategy during that period and optimized it. let me find the thread!!! wait!here it is:http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...59#post4355559
anyway, he is honest!
  • #72
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:22am Jun 27, 2011 3:22am
This thread is so entertaining!

@ Realjumper: don't sweat the small stuff. He won't be the next Warren Buffet anyway.

Also, I've Photoshop CS5 on my PC, takes me 5 seconds to alter trading scores.
trading is my zen
  • #73
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:31am Jun 27, 2011 3:31am
Quoting ShirleyLo
This thread is so entertaining!

@ Realjumper: don't sweat the small stuff. He won't be the next Warren Buffet anyway.

Also, I've Photoshop CS5 on my PC, takes me 5 seconds to alter trading scores.
no,no,no...I mean in FF's trade explorer, not just your pic with PS.
can you cheat FF's trade explorer? I don't think so. you can cheat myfxbook easily, but no way to cheat trade explorer. I just discussed with the FF's develop group several times about how to avoid cheating.
  • #74
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:32am Jun 27, 2011 3:32am
Quoting bobowang
thank you for your good points!!!
sometimes your EA works, sometime it not. maybe just because your developing methods are wrong.
you select a period of time to develop your ea, then, optimazing it. that's very easy to give you a good result. (you optimized it, try to find the small prob.event, that's not hard.), then, you tested in other periods, you find out it didn't work! ha.
there is a good example in FF, that guy show a very good result from 11,2010 to 3,2011(I think), that surprised me. and I wrote an EA, the backtest results are not good....
I did not optimize it.
The fact is it is very hard to have a system that can works well for 20 years consistently.

The other shocking fact is even if you have 1:1 RRR in your system, you still can have a series of profit years and a series of losing years.
  • #75
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:33am Jun 27, 2011 3:33am
Quoting ShirleyLo
This thread is so entertaining!

@ Realjumper: don't sweat the small stuff. He won't be the next Warren Buffet anyway.

Also, I've Photoshop CS5 on my PC, takes me 5 seconds to alter trading scores.
Oh you're quite right Shirley. It's just so frustrating when someone asks for help and then won't take what's offered. It's fine though, the loss is his and no one else's. You know what they say.....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it!

I have an older version of Photoshop on this machine, but I'm pretty good on it!!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #76
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:37am Jun 27, 2011 3:37am
Quoting realjumper
1. It's hard to trade when you're on the move......trading is a job....and occupation. And as such, it is best done from one place, an office or something like that. It's not impossible to when your traveling, but it's more difficult.

2. You are behaving like an idiot. Everyone can see it.
2. You are behaving like an idiot. Everyone can see it.
so you just mean you are better than me? but you said you never mention it. you are a liar!!!!!
in my opinio, an idiot is much better than an liar. Idiot is honest!!!! that's the most important thing for a human being!
  • #77
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:39am Jun 27, 2011 3:39am
Quoting realjumper
Oh you're quite right Shirley. It's just so frustrating when someone asks for help and then won't take what's offered. It's fine though, the loss is his and no one else's. You know what they say.....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it!

I have an older version of Photoshop on this machine, but I'm pretty good on it!!
you guys offered what? "don't ask for the performance", all the liars or cheaters said in this way. because they don't dare to share!!!

"I'm pretty good on it!! " really? liar! PS one, let me pick what you changed out. it's pretty easy. just enlarge and enlarge, you will find the different details!

you guys please leave this thread! you showed us nothing but cheating or lie-ing.
  • #78
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:41am Jun 27, 2011 3:41am
Quoting bobowang
2. You are behaving like an idiot. Everyone can see it.
so you just mean you are better than me? but you said you never said it. you are a liar!!!!!
in my opinio, an idiot is much better than an liar. Idiot is honest!!!! that's the most important thing for a human being!

Yeah, whatever. It's a shame that you are so supremely arrogant because I and others have tried to help you.

Never mind though.....carry on in your search for the hold grail.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #79
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:47am Jun 27, 2011 3:47am
Quoting bobowang
you guys offered what? "don't ask for the performance", all the liars or cheaters said in this way. because they don't dare to share!!!

"I'm pretty good on it!! " really? liar! PS one, let me pick what you changed out. it's pretty easy. just enlarge and enlarge, you will find the different details!

you guys please leave this thread! you showed us nothing but cheating or lie-ing.
I posted my offer of help for you here and all you could do was to try and put conditions on my offer.

As I said before, what do I have to gain by 'cheating??'

Whether you are successful or not makes no difference to me. I tried to help and you didn't want to know. Do I care? Not really, I'm sad to say.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #80
  • Jun 27, 2011 3:50am Jun 27, 2011 3:50am
Quoting Special One
I did not optimize it.
The fact is it is very hard to have a system that can works well for 20 years consistently.

The other shocking fact is even if you have 1:1 RRR in your system, you still can have a series of profit years and a series of losing years.
1. 20 years are tooooo long.things changed, we now use computer. and all the old traders 20 yr ago are dead now. I think at most 5 years is enough for all two periods backtest.

2. it sounds weird. maybe you just need analysis based on trades, not years. how many trades you made totally, how many are successful, use the simple z test, you can calculate the power. then ....how to do it... if it passed it, it's not a rare event. then, find something corelated with it, and add this condition to your system....
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