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  • #41
  • Jun 26, 2011 11:49pm Jun 26, 2011 11:49pm
Quoting bobowang
yes!!!!!!!!!!! sometimes I just think I am in the wrong way!!! maybe we can't find the real working strategies in forum. why they spend such a long time to post and post to teach you how they trade? the truth is: they don't know how to trade, just try to earn money from you. of course , they can't give you a successful trading performance, they don't have!

I still hope some successful guy can show their great performance, even if they don't wanna share it. that will encourage everyone here!
No. You're wrong. Just because *you* can't make their system work for *you*, doesn't mean they aren't good traders!!! You're the one with the problem, not them!!

Look, it's quite easy.......my system uses many good ideas that I gleaned from looking at other peoples systems. My system probably won't work as good for you, as it does for me because, as I said already (please pay attention this time), my goals, time zone, size of account, currency pairs traded, number of currency pairs traded etc etc etc all suit ME......not you. So if I gave you my system and it didn't make a shit load of dollars for you instantly, does that mean that I can't trade?.....or that I'm full of shit?

There is soooooo much information here if you look for it. There is plenty of great systems here that you can (if you actually put in some effort and stop being a bitch), cobble together something that suits your individual needs and expectations. 90% of the hard work is done......stop looking for the grail.....it does NOT exist.

If you're too tired or too lazy to spend the next 3 years developing a custom system for yourself, based on the hundreds of great ideas here, then you'll never make it, and you will join the other 95%.

Neither I, not anyone else here owes you jack shit. Get off your ass and get to work!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #42
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:05am Jun 27, 2011 12:05am
Quoting bobowang
Remember. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no, no,no!!!! here,I am strongly against you!!! are you a successful trader? If you are, you will have strong confidence about your strategy. it's no way to be wrong. the power is tooo strong, even big banks can't change it!!!!
How do you know where price will be tomorrow based on past? I'm sorry for posting a silly quote. Pls PM me some forecasts if you have them handy.

Solon's reason for not citing King Croesus as one of the happiest (successful) people he's known: (not to sidetrack abt Taleb)
Quote
"The observation of the numerous misfortunes that attend all conditions forbids us to grow insolent upon our present enjoyments, or to admire a man's happiness that may yet, in course of time, suffer change. For the uncertain future has yet to come, with all variety of future; and to him only to whom the divinity has [guaranteed] continued happiness until the end we may call happy."
  • #43
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:23am Jun 27, 2011 12:23am
Quoting realjumper
No. You're wrong. Just because *you* can't make their system work for *you*, doesn't mean they aren't good traders!!! You're the one with the problem, not them!!

Look, it's quite easy.......my system uses many good ideas that I gleaned from looking at other peoples systems. My system probably won't work as good for you, as it does for me because, as I said already (please pay attention this time), my goals, time zone, size of account, currency pairs traded, number of currency pairs traded etc etc etc all suit ME......not you. So if I gave you...
No. You're wrong. Just because *you* can't make their system work for *you*, doesn't mean they aren't good traders!!! You're the one with the problem, not them!!
no, no, no...all the cheaters explain their system in this way. ok, I can't learn it. so, please show your performance to prove your system works! you guys spend years and years to post thousands of posts, is that hard to spend 1 min to show your performance? you don't like it? no, in fact, you can't. you don't have it!!! you cheaters, poor guy! spend so long time to cheat others and waste their times and money.
Do you know any of cheaters in this forum with prove? if you can't tell, then keep away from trading, you are not smart enough to trade.

and it sounds you are a successful trader? show us the evidence. talk is cheap!!!. definitely you can't, you don't have it.
  • #44
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:28am Jun 27, 2011 12:28am
Quoting CindyXXXX
This should be on a notice board on the front page of the forum. Actually... screw that. Well said,,,

bobwang if it makes you feel any better I'd rather you believe I'm unprofitable than profitable, then I don't annoying pm's asking stupid questions like what my R:R is and how many pips I make, but that's just me

but whatever helps you sleep at night - I am whatever you say I am, and I wouldn't have it any other way
yes, I am a kind of angry. I just spend another whole week to read a long thread, finally find out they are cheating there!

and "asking stupid questions like what my R:R is and how many pips I make," are the questions stupid?????? are you kidding? are you a trader?
god bless you!!!! everyone cares these kind of questions!
  • #45
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:30am Jun 27, 2011 12:30am
Quoting bobowang
No. You're wrong. Just because *you* can't make their system work for *you*, doesn't mean they aren't good traders!!! You're the one with the problem, not them!!
no, no, no...all the cheaters explain their system in this way. ok, I can't learn it. so, please show your performance to prove your system works! you guys spend years and years to post thousands of posts, is that hard to spend 1 min to show your performance? you don't like it? no, in fact, you can't. you don't have it!!! you cheaters, poor guy! spend so long time to cheat others and waste...
How am I cheating you?
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #46
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:31am Jun 27, 2011 12:31am
Quoting EmeraldEyes
How do you know where price will be tomorrow based on past? I'm sorry for posting a silly quote. Pls PM me some forecasts if you have them handy.

Solon's reason for not citing King Croesus as one of the happiest (successful) people he's known: (not to sidetrack abt Taleb)
Pls PM me some forecasts if you have them handy.

sorry, I don't have it now. most of the year, I am waiting for the signals. they are tooo rare, make me angry tooooo So, I wanna learn short term trading....
  • #47
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:36am Jun 27, 2011 12:36am
Quoting realjumper
How am I cheating you?
because you made a judgement "their systems work", but can't show the successful performance. talk are cheap! ha. so you are kind of cheating. just show us a performance with 100 times profit! that's really pretty easy for their successful short term systems! (I know some guy just claims they can make 30% profit in 10 days.)
  • #48
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:44am Jun 27, 2011 12:44am
Quoting bobowang
because you made a judgement "their systems work", but can't show the successful performance. talk are cheap! ha. so you are kind of cheating.
You still haven't been paying attention have you? This is third time now...READ IT SLOWLY.....'as I said already (please pay attention this time), goals, time zone, size of account, currency pairs traded, number of currency pairs traded etc etc etc suit the system developer.....NOT YOU.

There IS NO SYSTEM that will make you heaps of $$$'s straight out of the box, for the reason that I have told you.....three times now.

My system wouldn't work as well for you as it does for me.....for reasons I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU.

I can see why you can't trade......you can't even follow a simple conversation!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #49
  • Jun 27, 2011 12:58am Jun 27, 2011 12:58am
Quoting CindyXXXX
That's just part of the process most of us go/went through.,

You need to get to the point where you can say "fk them I know enough now to start making my own method". This is where things really get hard but it's a big step all the same. This will take longer than the system hopping step

Trust me I followed every "best" thread on this forum and to no avail. Along the way though I picked up all sorts of interesting ideas that were just that... ideas.

It's a long ass road and I feel your pain cause I've been there many times in the past....
thank you so much for your nice help!
1. I think I never said"stupid",correct me if I am wrong.
2. there are full of cheaters definitely. in other words, most of the claimed "successful" traders in this field are cheaters.they can't earn money from market, so they try to earn money from us, right? some people already lost million dollars here. (that's kind stupid,)
3. without evidence, it's really hard to believe their system in the Long threads are good! none of them can pass the simple exact z test(that's a stats method).
  • #50
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:08am Jun 27, 2011 1:08am
Quoting bobowang
It's so hard to tell who is a successful trader and who is not, just based on how many posts he wrote or how many vouchers he got.
You can easily find that some guys who have a big number of vouchers don't know how to trade in fact from their results in FF's trade explorers! It's so funny!

you can see the results in FF's trade explorer by this link:
http://www.forexfactory.com/sitesear...st+Month&sa=Go
let's...
Bob,

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but you have to realize that some people here have far more at risk than a $5,000 play money account. To some, this is a very serious business. Not an ego stroking device, but something that actually pays the mortgage and puts food on the table. Where is the common sense in partaking in your "FF performance rankings game" when some people are actually trying to make a living.

Don't you know that discussing account performance is a recipe for disaster, and not a very "gentlemanly" trait, in general. It's right up there with being one of the 2 -3 hundred nightly leaches on the interactive EUR/USD thread.

Not to mention, just because people make comments on a forum, does not mean they owe you, or anyone else any form of validation.

And most importantly, in case no one ever turned you on to this old, time tested adage before - "pride comes before a fall... an equity curve fall, that is."
  • #51
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:16am Jun 27, 2011 1:16am
Quoting CindyXXXX
m8 you're missing the point

IT DOESN'T MATTER

the markets still move whether they're cheating or not. You don't need them
yes, but all the cheaters made their threads so great(looks so great). they spend long time to maintain it. you don't know they are cheaters at first, so you can't control yourself to study it and read their post one by one carefully.
but after several days, you may find evidence from one post that they are cheaters. it's just a waste of time.
or you may read through all the posts, still can't find out how it works (they change or add their trading rules again and again and most of them are unclear, hard to test!). you can't tell if they are cheaters or not, struggling on that. terrible thing.
so I think, if people can offer their trading performance, that will be easy for us to know which guy's posts are really need to read. if he don't wanna share his methods. the performance still can encourage others.
  • #52
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:48am Jun 27, 2011 1:48am
Quoting mr.marketz
Bob,

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but you have to realize that some people here have far more at risk than a $5,000 play money account. To some, this is a very serious business. Not an ego stroking device, but something that actually pays the mortgage and puts food on the table. Where is the common sense in partaking in your "FF performance rankings game" when some people are actually trying to make a living.

Don't you know that discussing account performance is a recipe for disaster, and not a very "gentlemanly" trait, in general....
actually, I made a living by trading. (almost 4 years)
and to some, cheating is also a very serious business. really!!! they are groups, they can spend several days to show you a cheating performance, they can spend several years to maintain a thread. but they just can't spend 1 min to show their performance. it's impolite for them? then it polite for the guys being cheated?

and "pride comes before a fall... an equity curve fall, that is." it's not science. some maybe, some may not. you need use stats method to make this judgement. btw,I am not pride, or maybe just a little bit.

this field is hard. I just wanna get an easy way to tell who is successful, and gain the confidence to struggle in the short term trading field.
  • #53
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:53am Jun 27, 2011 1:53am
I don't quite understand his motivation either. Suppose somebody took time to prove him that he is profitable trader. What he going to do next? Send PM and beg for the secret? Read all the post of that person in hope he accidentally gave up his secret?

Or he is just a needy person who don't have courage to continue forex trading and begs for some sort of assurance that he also can become profitable?
  • #54
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:55am Jun 27, 2011 1:55am
Quoting realjumper
You won't listen because you can't get the answer that you want. In this joke of a thread, there is some great advice to help you, but you don't help yourself. On this forum, as I have said, there is soooo much great advice and help and systems that if you get off your ass, you can learn enough to create a great system for your self.

But that's not good enough for you is it? You just ignore all the help and advice of this forum in the same way you have ignored all the help and advice given to you on this thread.

You want someone to give you...
whithout any provement, nonsense at all!!! right?
so please stop arguing with me, if you don't have evidence that you can trade well!!! ok? and take all the words back!!!they are useless without any evidence.
  • #55
  • Jun 27, 2011 1:57am Jun 27, 2011 1:57am
Quoting bobowang
...and gain the confidence to struggle in the short term trading field.
This is exactly what I though reading your posts in this forum
  • #56
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:01am Jun 27, 2011 2:01am
Quoting bobowang
you guys don't have evidence to show you guys are better than me! right?

so why I listen to you guys? maybe you are cheaters, just maybe!!!
With your attitude, I am very interested to see if you will still your account in 8 months.

scfx
The best indicator is price.
  • #57
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:02am Jun 27, 2011 2:02am
Quoting bobowang
whithout any provement, nonsense at all!!! right?
so please stop arguing with me, if you don't have evidence that you can trade well!!! ok? and take all the words back!!!they are useless without any evidence.
A couple of posts above you say that you trade for a living.....for almost 4 years. If that is true:

1) Why are you so desperate to get your hands on the holy grail?

2) Why is it so important that prove myself to you?

I'm not selling anything......I don't feel the need to prove myself to you or anyone else. Most astute people can tell whether I am full of shit (like you) or whether I am honest.

What do I gain by being a 'cheater'????????????
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #58
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:05am Jun 27, 2011 2:05am
Quoting cash_machine
I don't quite understand his motivation either. Suppose somebody took time to prove him that he is profitable trader. What he going to do next? Send PM and beg for the secret? Read all the post of that person in hope he accidentally gave up his secret?

Or he is just a needy person who don't have courage to continue forex trading and begs for some sort of assurance that he also can become profitable?
my motivation:
1. for the long thread posters who shared their strategies in thousands of posts, and claimed they are very successful, they need to show their performance to show us they are not cheaters, avoid us to waste time to read the gabage things posted by the cheaters. and give real respect to the real successful traders who has showed their strategy.
2.for the successful traders who don't like to share their system. If they like to show their performance, that's kind, and will give others confidence to struggle in this field.

There are a lot of cheaters in FF, and the admin of FF knew it. So they have a group of people to develop the FF's trade explorer and try to give us a real tool to help to tell who is real good traders and who is not. I like this function, and have discussed with the group several times by email and try to help them to improve this function.

why we don't use it! If you claim you are a good trader, just show your performance before you post your strategy in thousand posts!
  • #59
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:05am Jun 27, 2011 2:05am
bobovang, nobody can give you confidence and courage to continue trade forex. this is something you have to find inside yourself. If you don't beleive that there is even ONE person who trade successsfully why you bother to trade at all? People who are successful usually don't need cheap ego boost in showing off in forums. Sometimes they post their ideas or rough outline of strategy and you should be thankful even for this .

and remember that the mere fact that somebody is successful doesn't automatically guarantees that you will ever become successful. it is hard work and with your "give it to me with assurance" mentality you won't make it.
  • #60
  • Jun 27, 2011 2:17am Jun 27, 2011 2:17am
Quoting cash_machine
bobovang, nobody can give you confidence and courage to continue trade forex. this is something you have to find inside yourself. If you don't beleive that there is even ONE person who trade successsfully why you bother to trade at all? People who are successful usually don't need cheap ego boost in showing off in forums. Sometimes they post their ideas or rough outline of strategy and you should be thankful even for this .

and remember that the mere fact that somebody is successful doesn't automatically...
thank you, thank you!
[color=#22229c]"Sometimes they post their ideas or rough outline of strategy and you should be thankful even for this . " but before studing it. you need to know if they are successful or not. maybe it's posted by the cheaters.a lot of cheaters here, believe me. it looks like nobody here belive it. but I can't put their name here, they are groups, and my english is not that good, I don't wanna fight with them. but If you check the time mark, the performance pic, the details(the buy/sell lines) in the chart they posted, you will find them. I am smarter than the cheaters.

this field is really hard, in almost all the University, they will tell you that you can't make profits from market. all the tradable markets are martingale in risk neutral measure!
so, a great real trading performance will encorouge everybody!
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