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  • #501
  • Jun 18, 2011 7:49am Jun 18, 2011 7:49am
Quoting nubcake
edit : oops. meant to add that i feel there is also a relationship between electronics concepts and trading. it's just a feeling. perhaps that's a dumb statement and really everything has a relationship to everything else, so a moot thought.
I like to think so... science is science... I can't speak from an electronics viewpoint as I am an HVAC contractor. Capacitors are a crazy animal but I am not out to tearing them apart to see how they work all I care about is that they do work.

On occasion I have come arossed leaking and exploded capacitors which is the primary reason I don't care to look inside one or care about how they work, but that's just me.

I think this science dilema is what pulled me to forex, I can't say there is any other connection but that one as I have other science related hobbies such as photography, digital video editing, computer building (years ago when the prices for computers were much higher than today).

Science has a hand in just about everything when you think about it.
  • #502
  • Jun 18, 2011 7:54am Jun 18, 2011 7:54am
Quoting pip_seeker
How is this different from not getting handed something on a platter?

How is this different from painting a picture? You want to be told what to do, but when you're told by me or others you claim it to be some old failed approach. ( That pesky little "R" word again.)

We can spin this record as much as you want it still comes back to the same skip everytime we spin it.
the difference is that IF and WHEN someone decides to SHARE some nugget of KNOWLEDGE it MUST be interpreted CORRECTLY by those who read/hear/watch/whatever it. if i'm baking a cake but can't seem to get it to come out correctly and you decide to help me by suggesting i cook it at 220 degrees then that's awesome... except i may be thinking in Celsius while you mean Fahrenheit. Being able to receive the RIGHT message is critical. it's not the whole recipe for a cake, it is only what you decided to share... yet it was right but interpreted wrong. if you have no ability to perceive my incorrect interpretation then it is all futile.

i can't make myself any clearer. yes this is going RIGHT (not wide, lol) round baby right round. you might be giving me less credit than deserved (which is little, but still). i might be listening and i might be hearing you, and i might just be understanding you as well. i'm open to the idea that i have mis-heard it all, or have understood it all, and everything in between. i think you take me as having a closed mind, when my goal is to have an open mind. i have my biases and i'm trying to limit their potential damage. at the end of the day i can only see through my own eyes, no one elses.

it'll all come out in the wash.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #503
  • Jun 18, 2011 8:04am Jun 18, 2011 8:04am
Quoting pip_seeker
I like to think so... science is science... I can't speak from an electronics viewpoint as I am an HVAC contractor. Capacitors are a crazy animal but I am not out to tearing them apart to see how they work all I care about is that they do work.

On occasion I have come arossed leaking and exploded capacitors which is the primary reason I don't care to look inside one or care about how they work, but that's just me.

I think this science dilema is what pulled me to forex, I can't say there is any other connection but that one as I have other...
well the number one thing to take from reading about electronics is to treat them like a bomb and not touch them ever for fear of electrocution. either the explanation this time was somehow different or time has made certain things clearer and i get the point of them now, it's more things like transistors that now irks me. i get the point, i just don't get the how.

that electronics 101 kit i got as a child didn't do a whole lot of favors it seems... just like you poor folk

i have a friend who does aircons. i imagine you are built at least a little from carting a/c's around. he sure is.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #504
  • Jun 18, 2011 8:04am Jun 18, 2011 8:04am
Quoting Pipalicious
Has anyone ever considered how to develop an approach that can work simultaneously as the market goes up and down? keyword simultaneously.

Ive got some testings going on but just curious if to see if anyone else has thought or managed something similar.

No options, just spot fx, be it single or multi currency.

Any thoughts on this?

Yeah, the problem is it won't necessarily work simultaneousy... in order to gain you have to be net positive one way or the other and the market has to move there.

There's already been great discussion in the hedging thread. Some have gone to great lengths to rename it as nedging or whatever.
Hedging Revisited

The advantage to such a system or method is that you don't care which direction it goes (short term) as you are more or less playing the odds of the market.

Given that it's not easy to pull off... you have to understand margin requirements, equity vs. balance and a whole other multitude of things to get it to work.

Can it be done? yes, anything is possible if you have faith.

I used it again a couple months ago when under attack. I'm sure my assailant is still wondering what the hell happened.
  • #505
  • Jun 18, 2011 8:48am Jun 18, 2011 8:48am
Quoting pip_seeker
I like to think so... science is science... I can't speak from an electronics viewpoint as I am an HVAC contractor. Capacitors are a crazy animal but I am not out to tearing them apart to see how they work all I care about is that they do work.

On occasion I have come arossed leaking and exploded capacitors which is the primary reason I don't care to look inside one or care about how they work, but that's just me.

I think this science dilema is what pulled me to forex, I can't say there is any other connection but that one as I have other...
Science is still completely shit when you look at all the things we do not know.. watching "Through the wormhole" with morgan freeman has shown me several times

So I take the stance you can think irrationally to find solutions.. what they are finding everyday are new discoveries in science that break logic so they find some way to basically make it sound like it makes logical sense and fits age old scientific beliefs

its kinda like how forex will rally for a random reason and some analyst will blame it on a fib after the fact so it appears logical and like it had to happen..

why can't we just get down to the real reasons and stop trying to protect ourselves from fear of the unknown.. (probably because our brains will explode).. but I'd rather my brain explode then accept the false as true
  • #506
  • Jun 18, 2011 8:50am Jun 18, 2011 8:50am
Quoting Pipalicious
Has anyone ever considered how to develop an approach that can work simultaneously as the market goes up and down? keyword simultaneously.

Ive got some testings going on but just curious if to see if anyone else has thought or managed something similar.

No options, just spot fx, be it single or multi currency.

Any thoughts on this?
I am interested to hear more of your thoughts... I think I have some solutions but they do require options and the ability to accept months of waiting
  • #507
  • Jun 18, 2011 5:10pm Jun 18, 2011 5:10pm
what an interesting trip. i just read through most of this thread from the beginning. some of it was filler which i skimmed, but still.

some of my posts at times were a bit bi-polar. i remember why i said certain things certain ways at the time, but reading back now some of it is out of context so i must have been bringing baggage from stuff i'd read in other threads.

newyear, i sure gave you a bit of stick at times. sorry bro. you are currently one of my favorite posters since you don't mind pissing people off or saying something unique, as well as giving the occasional lulz at something dumb (though not so much these days which is good and bad (good for you, bad for the less lulz)).

jag and pip seeker, with new ideas and a fresh perspective your words do at this time contain a very different meaning to how i originally read them. this is what i have been talking about in recent posts. a lot of stuff is ambiguous, even if intended to be clear. this is where painting pictures and hand-holding can be essential for a message to be properly received and not lost in translation. anyway, perhaps i'm still mis-reading what your meanings are in which case , lol. pip seeker, i think your hints on that dirty "R" word might finally make sense and perhaps my R needs to be a little more dynamic than previous considerations.

this thread is interesting if nothing else. and yet it's that music thread which dominates this part of the forum.

cindy, stop deleting your posts... are you a mod and can delete your posts, or are you reporting your own posts and making tonnes of work for some poor mod who has to keep deleting your stuff? frustrating dude! you even deleted a post just before i was about to reply to it. GAH!!!!! frustrating fo sho!
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #508
  • Jun 18, 2011 6:12pm Jun 18, 2011 6:12pm
Quoting nubcake
what an interesting trip. i just read through most of this thread from the beginning. some of it was filler which i skimmed, but still.

some of my posts at times were a bit bi-polar. i remember why i said certain things certain ways at the time, but reading back now some of it is out of context so i must have been bringing baggage from stuff i'd read in other threads.

newyear, i sure gave you a bit of stick at times. sorry bro. you are currently one of my favorite posters since you don't mind pissing people off or saying something unique,...
Aww I's yours favorties

lol, reading back I bet you can see a huge development from when I joined FF to now.. (atleast when I see my old posts I'm so newb and arrogant) so I'm sure that explains the past.




Lets explore these traits you mentioned.. they provide valuable knowledge IMHO..

"you don't mind pissing people off" - People seem to get pissed when their theories, method, and systems (or simple put beliefs), get shot down.. why would someone feel the need to defend their beliefs?

"saying something unique" - People seem to accept what someone says without challenging it.. it leads to the same nonsense and no new thoughts or concepts on trading.. please tell me..
Why would someone accept something without reflecting deeply on the matter?


I will try to give more lulz in the future.. Lately if something is really dumb I'm just like "yeah I really don't want to get subscribed to this thread (X button)"



maybe I'll PM you in the future and share a secret as well.. not talking holy grail shit... just don't want to go into it publicly tho...



  • #509
  • Jun 18, 2011 9:19pm Jun 18, 2011 9:19pm
Quoting nubcake
jag and pip seeker, with new ideas and a fresh perspective your words do at this time contain a very different meaning to how i originally read them. this is what i have been talking about in recent posts. a lot of stuff is ambiguous, even if intended to be clear. this is where painting pictures and hand-holding can be essential for a message to be properly received and not lost in translation. anyway, perhaps i'm still mis-reading what your meanings are in which case , lol. pip seeker, i think your hints on that dirty "R" word might...
Ok good now don't let it become poluted again. You know alot of what I did sitting in front of charts all those years of hopeless frustration watching demo after demo blow up... when I got an idea no matter how stupid, how insignificant... I wrote it down.

The reason is that your mind focuses on one thing for a split second, if you don't jot down ideas you never move forward at least that was how it was for me.

I got frustrated at others for being slackers, not wanting to think for themselves. I still do to some extent. My main purpose is to make you think for yourself. Many people often quote that "give a man a fish and you feed him for life... or teach a man to fish and he feeds himself for life." But how much better it would be if you taught that man to think for himself so he could teach himself many things? Really when you think about it how hard is it to be smarter than a fish?

There is more than one way to forex, many different ideas with many different people. You know I mentioned the dirty little "R" word so many times in this thread I was beginning to think you were blocking it out. Me and Jag both for that matter... but people go on thinking the same old way.... due to poor habits.

At some point things either click or they go dark. (lol) The problem with teaching someone to think for themselves is that they have to want to do it. If they don't do it... they won't starve, they won't die, they will continue to exist in some fashion. It starts with you... You have to want it bad enough to accomplish it regardless of how hard you think it is. Failure is the motivation to not even try.

It takes 21 days for something to become a habit. That includes bad ones. Exercise your mind for 21 days. After that it will become a habit. (a good one). I am being serious when I say this 21 day thing... it is a proven fact try it with anything.

And I don't mean any of this in a derogatory way. Think positive. If you go negative that is failure emotion kicking in otherwise known as fear.
  • #510
  • Jun 18, 2011 11:12pm Jun 18, 2011 11:12pm
Quoting pip_seeker
Ok good now don't let it become poluted again. You know alot of what I did sitting in front of charts all those years of hopeless frustration watching demo after demo blow up... when I got an idea no matter how stupid, how insignificant... I wrote it down.
that has been the problem. i have had writers block.


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I got frustrated at others for being slackers, not wanting to think for themselves. I still do to some extent. My main purpose is to make you think for yourself. Many people often quote that "give a man a fish and you feed him for life... or teach a man to fish and he feeds himself for life." But how much better it would be if you taught that man to think for himself so he could teach himself many things? Really when you think about it how hard is it to be smarter than a fish?
forums are bad for teaching stuff.

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There is more than one way to forex, many different ideas with many different people.

i'm starting to think that newyears thread about a million ways to make money is possibly more true than i previously thought. i wonder if different people aren't hitting similar ideas just from slightly different angles of perception and basing their trades on different ideas that boil down to similar entries and exits, it's just the excuses to get in and out are viewed from different and even opposing points.

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You know I mentioned the dirty little "R" word so many times in this thread I was beginning to think you were blocking it out. Me and Jag both for that matter... but people go on thinking the same old way.... due to poor habits.
i was blocking it out because i didn't know any better or have any potentially fruitful and different ways to think about the risk aspect. risk of ruin is a nasty possibility. of course i want to minimize risk as much as possible which leads me to the next question... do you think that the 'traditional' x% type rules are merely designed to stop newcomers from imploding and are not particularly suitable for actually making profit?

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It takes 21 days for something to become a habit. That includes bad ones. Exercise your mind for 21 days. After that it will become a habit. (a good one). I am being serious when I say this 21 day thing... it is a proven fact try it with anything.

that's new to me. hadn't heard that before.

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And I don't mean any of this in a derogatory way. Think positive. If you go negative that is failure emotion kicking in otherwise known as fear.

i dunno. that's easy to say when things are going right. thinking positive is fine to not close doors that might be open, but when you keep walking face-first into walls it's hard to keep a smile happening.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #511
  • Jun 18, 2011 11:25pm Jun 18, 2011 11:25pm
Quoting newyear498
Aww I's yours favorties

lol, reading back I bet you can see a huge development from when I joined FF to now.. (atleast when I see my old posts I'm so newb and arrogant) so I'm sure that explains the past.
i can see you going deeper into the rabbit hole, that's for sure.

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Why would someone accept something without reflecting deeply on the matter?
 i don't know... actually, didn't i say something like this to you about 6 months ago? lol, i'm sure i did when giving you shit about something you said.

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I will try to give more lulz in the future.. Lately if something is really dumb I'm just like "yeah I really don't want to get subscribed to this thread (X button)"
i hear you. ce la vie.

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maybe I'll PM you in the future and share a secret as well.. not talking holy grail shit... just don't want to go into it publicly tho...
it's ok. i won't let people know you are chaz bono.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #512
  • Edited 1:34am Jun 19, 2011 12:37am | Edited 1:34am
No offense meant, but many seem to have lost interest in this discussion and I don't blame them. This thread seems to have turned from a "thinking outside the box" thread into a "helping nubcake with his forex struggle and lost confidence" thread.

Still, I'll throw in my two cents on this:

Nubcake, I'm gonna tell you what I personally think and this is probably gonna discourage you. So feel free to skip it if you want.

You're currently having a typical loser's attitude and that's not gonna help you. It's not blocking you from success, it's blocking you from actually starting to work on your trading in ways that may lead to success. You know why it won't help you? Because this is damn hard. That's right, it's actually pretty hard to seriously make a living doing this over the long run. (you may hear some people saying it's "simple", that's great and quite true in a sense, but "simple" does NOT necessarily mean "easy").

It's hard because the market is such a complex system full of chaos and randomness and where inefficiencies are not that easy to spot and exploit on a consistent basis, year after year, with no risk of ruin. Trust me, if it were doable enough that any average Joe can do it, almost EVERYBODY would be trying Forex. It's just that it's a high risk business where you can lose everything pretty quick (no other job has this kind of risk).

So to make it in this business, you first need a pretty strong and relentless "make it happen" kind of attitude or you will probably never make it. If you do find your edge, you're gonna need that same attitude to maintain that edge (there's NO secret formula that you can just discover and then sit back and let it make money until you retire, no such thing exists).

So you can rest assured that you're not the only one. Most are going through what you're experiencing, it's just that not everybody is as open about it and not everybody has the same ability to not bullshit themselves and be as clear and objective about it. That already puts you ahead of them if you ask me. I only hope that you can find the passion to 'give this your best shot' so to speak (because success is still possible and worth it in my opinion), and if not then I'll simply say this: Some time ago (before I even discovered forex) I was quite involved in something else. I somehow managed to convince myself that I had to make it in that thing and nothing else, that it's what I wanted to do. I moved on from it eventually (or as I like to say "grew out of it") and now laugh at myself when remembering it. There's always something else to pursue in case this isn't the right thing for you.
  • #513
  • Edited 5:22am Jun 19, 2011 1:19am | Edited 5:22am
Marv, no offence back at you but the only reason I got involved in this thread was to point out there is no need to keep thinking outside the box.

I like almost all novice traders spent years jumping from method to method etc when really the most sensible thing to have done would be to find someone that trades profitably and learn how they do it.

I was fortunate to find a brilliant trader early on and paid for a year of mentorship and even then I was too stupid to understand it and become profitable. In fact I probably ended up doing 20,000 hours not the normal 10,000, I am a slow learner.

The most important thing I learned from that experience was that he made me believe in his methods but I realised I was missing something important and kept revisiting my notes and applying all the new stuff I was learning until something finally clicked.

He proved to me trading can be done from naked charts, the only short term news articles worth worrying about are the ones that force price against trend thus giving you a discounted entry (play the biggest money at their own games), he also proved to me that the same patterns can be traded on every timeframe.

What could be simpler?

As for helping Nub, by helping him hopefully a few others are being helped as well.
  • #514
  • Jun 19, 2011 1:25am Jun 19, 2011 1:25am
Quoting pip_seeker
Ok good now don't let it become poluted again. You know alot of what I did sitting in front of charts all those years of hopeless frustration watching demo after demo blow up... when I got an idea no matter how stupid, how insignificant... I wrote it down.

The reason is that your mind focuses on one thing for a split second, if you don't jot down ideas you never move forward at least that was how it was for me.

I got frustrated at others for being slackers, not wanting to think for themselves. I still do to some extent. My main purpose is...
Brilliant post Pip, I couldn't have said it better. The 21 day thing is very interesting, thanks.
  • #515
  • Jun 19, 2011 1:39am Jun 19, 2011 1:39am
I don't believe there is an absolutely EXACT number of days for it simply because people are different, for example people learn/memorize things quicker than others (21 days might be some kind of general average though). But I absolutely agree on the idea. We as human beings are subjects to habits, and this fact could be used consciously to achieve certain goals (especially relating to self-improvement).
  • #516
  • Jun 19, 2011 3:18am Jun 19, 2011 3:18am
Quoting Marv
No offense meant, but many seem to have lost interest in this discussion and I don't blame them. This thread seems to have turned from a "thinking outside the box" thread into a "helping nubcake with his forex struggle and lost confidence" thread.
true true. i keep popping shit into this thread from time to time when it gets quiet and start to miss the back and forth that was generated here, which quite honestly is so much different (dare i say "better") than other areas of the forum. i'm more than happy to admit that the lights were on me, but i think that's because no one else was bothering to post anymore. or maybe i'm just an attention whore.

in the end it's all just tire kicking and chair spinning until things click. as jag mentions in the post after yours you can have it all handed to you and yet still not understand it or see it for what it is. this has been the basis of my recent posts. like my previous post says, i've gone through this thread again and there are posts that have a different meaning now because i have a different perspective at the moment and my biases are different. the sands have shifted and the story has changed.

facts are that if you aren't swaying the same way and to the right rhythm as the people posting you just won't get what they are saying, no matter how much they try to shoot text right into your brain. and add in the usual ambiguity people tend to spin on things then you have no chance of understanding a thing... teaching a man to fish, yet watching the man jump into the water to catch a fish except he doesn't know how to swim and drowns in his own stupidity.

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Still, I'll throw in my two cents on this:
the membership fee has gone up to a dollar nintey-nine. shoes are mandatory, but pants are optional

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Nubcake, I'm gonna tell you what I personally think and this is probably gonna discourage you. So feel free to skip it if you want.

You're currently having a typical loser's attitude and that's not gonna help you. It's not blocking you from success, it's blocking you from actually starting to work on your trading in ways that may lead to success. You know why it won't help you? Because this is damn hard. That's right, it's actually pretty hard to seriously make a living doing this over the long run. (you may hear some people saying...
i mostly agree. i don't favor the "i have a losers attitude" part though. not completely anyway. in my mind if i had a losers attitude i'd just get the shits and take my ball and go home. but, i AM currently a 'loser', so everything i say and do can only be from a losers perspective. it's a bit of a chicken versus egg conundrum as i see it. or perhaps i'm just a loser and still don't get what you mean, and won't until sometime later when i read through this again with fresh eyes. you can't see what you can't see. i'm not really disagreeing with you i guess, i'm just seeing it from my own perspective and trying to make sense of the world around me.

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So you can rest assured that you're not the only one. Most are going through what you're experiencing, it's just that not everybody is as open about it and not everybody has the same ability to not bullshit themselves and be as clear and objective about it. That already puts you ahead of them if you ask me. I only hope that you can find the passion to 'give this your best shot' so to speak (because success is still possible and worth it in my opinion), and if not then I'll simply say this: Some time ago (before I even discovered forex) I was...
this part is inspiring. i consider myself to be pretty clear-cut and to the point. i have no issue saying i'm unprofitable and my words are potentially retarded. i guess my current perspective in trying to get somewhere with all of this is that i'm sitting on my brain with a holistic outlook. i'm not looking for the MA cross superstar system, i'm looking for the path that will get me somewhere new and on the road to success. not just with trading, but in general. the metaphorical keys to the city i guess.

so far what i have come up with is that you just have to keep at it. you have to keep spinning the chair and kicking the tire and looking at things and then taking a break to let it simmer. as time goes on you will hopefully see things that were previously unclear. and you just keep rehashing stuff over and over and bit by bit the picture reveals itself.

regarding the "passion to go on"... well, i gave this shit up a year or so ago (time eludes me), yet i'm still here. it's a 'puzzle' that is pissing me off and can't let slide. it's an itch i can't scratch, and those are the ones i just can't let go of until i get somewhere with it. my entire programming ability and knowledge came from such an itch and now look at me (well, you know what i mean since you can't look at me).

regarding what you "grew out of"... were you in a band, by any chance?

regarding "if this isn't right for me"... shut your dirty blasphemous mouth, sir!

in summary : cool post Marv. i appreciate what you have said... the good and the bad. this is why i like this thread. then again, maybe i'm being an attention whore and loving my 15mins of fame.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #517
  • Jun 19, 2011 3:56am Jun 19, 2011 3:56am
Quoting pip_seeker
Yeah, the problem is it won't necessarily work simultaneousy... in order to gain you have to be net positive one way or the other and the market has to move there.

The advantage to such a system or method is that you don't care which direction it goes (short term) as you are more or less playing the odds of the market.

Given that it's not easy to pull off... you have to understand margin requirements, equity vs. balance and a whole other multitude of things to get it to work.

Can it be done? yes, [u]anything is possible...
Cool, I'll look into that thread, cheers.
I do believe its possible, yet if it is I personally find it hard that anyone would openly share it...i mean...all this "give and receive" stuff put to one side....that is pretty much the Forex Rambo of approaches.

I guess in a way it would be what CP was getting at I suppose
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...52#post4211852

Quoting newyear498
I am interested to hear more of your thoughts... I think I have some solutions but they do require options and the ability to accept months of waiting
Hmm...I looked into options and their multiple combinations which is actually very powerful stuff.

As hard headed as it sounds, im obsessed with seeing it applied to one/basket of currencies with no options.

Ideas I have for this, yet they arent nothing like "OMG your a fuking genius!" type of stuff.

The irony to all this is like pipseeker said: you have to be net positive one way or the other and the market has to move there

So even with all this funky stuff, in a way, it still requires a 'bias' as such.

Quoting Marv
If you do find your edge, you're gonna need that same attitude to maintain that edge
This caught my attention, be it BS or not I found it curious: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...06#post4582806

I guess its like some say, "trade the market as it unfolds" as opposed to "research and trade a proven historical edge".

There was Acrary on ET talking about how he spent years researching and testing proven edges when all he had to do was "essentially" combine a trend with counter trend approach blablabla cant remember the rest.
But I imagine you guys have seen it ye?

Quoting nubcake
then again, maybe i'm being an attention whore and loving my 15mins of fame.
Lol!
  • #518
  • Jun 19, 2011 6:01am Jun 19, 2011 6:01am
Signing up.

Lenoxer
  • #519
  • Jun 19, 2011 7:06am Jun 19, 2011 7:06am
Ok the 21 day thing comes from an HVAC sales class I had many, many years ago. All it really boils down to is repitition, repeating the same desired action over time creates a habit. (good or bad so becareful what you do.)

This isn't meant to mean I sit there and count how many days it's been, but when you make the concious effort to do something and you commit your mind to accepting these actions for a 21 day cycle, by the time the 21 day cycle is complete you have forgotten about the commitment and now you just do it... the commitment is a afterthought.

I have done this with many, many things so I know it works. You more or less are brainwashing yourself to do something or change your behaviour. The reason a sales class would teach such behaviour is to get you to be consistant. Consistancy goes up... so do sales and that's the point. (not that I am trying to make you sales people. lol)

Writing ideas down is just typical behaviour of successful people and you can apply this in anything you do as well. You never know what ramifications a simple idea will have on your life if you write it down and continue to think about it. (An idea without thought is just an idea.)

This goes hand in hand with exercising your mind.

There have been studies that have suggested there are positive side effects to this as an active mind is one less likely to suffer from schizofrenia, alzheimers and other mental diseases. How true or untrue that is I don't know. (I can't remember. LOL)

As far as how popular or unpopular this thread is really doesn't matter. We have at least 1 person that is struggling and that person is worth helping. The issues he has struggled with are issues we have all struggled with and with the way forum boards are and how mean they can be at various times there are probably a good number of people who don't post for that reason.

It is still "Thinking out side the box". The box is "your" box. Steping outside your comfort zone. Combating your emotions. This isn't a one definition fits all. The definition is your definition.

You can figure it out by looking at any price chart. The chart is a history lesson... and history repeats itself. No rhyme or reason to that. If you are a breakout trader you have selected the risk that goes with that. If you are a fade trader you selected it. If you fade and breakout you selected that. If there was a "cookie cutter" way to do it, I don't think the market would exist quite honestly.
  • #520
  • Jun 19, 2011 7:43am Jun 19, 2011 7:43am
Quoting Pipalicious
Cool, I'll look into that thread, cheers.
I do believe its possible, yet if it is I personally find it hard that anyone would openly share it...i mean...all this "give and receive" stuff put to one side....that is pretty much the Forex Rambo of approaches.
Yeah it's possible I've done it many, many times and due to this repitition I seem to be getting better at it all the time. Experience is thy greatest teacher grasshopper. LOL.

I don't think I would call it Forex Rambo, but more like the "house of mirrors" or "Baffle them with BS"... "A taste of your own medication with a shot of vinegar" etc.
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