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  • #101
  • Edited 4:11pm Jun 15, 2011 3:57pm | Edited 4:11pm
Quoting oluwadare
That guy made me laugh and laugh and laugh.He needs my eagle eyes.He is one of those traders tossed tro and fro. I am still LAUGHING AND LAUGHING.
My recent discovery on this forum is that, there are many traders who do not believe trading is fun(although I was once like them), because they have been victims they believe nothing really works.
I have traded and developed uncountable strategies which if I dash you will guarantee you 5-10% monthly.
I found this to be the best because I am the one that determines 80% of what will happens to me and not the market.The market has unstoppable characteristics which I am used to.
If you study my current trades, you will notice that I internally hedge my portfolio and I do that from time to time as I place trades- That is the product of deep and simplified thinking.

I am a Risk manager and not Just a Trader.

"Nothing is Impossible in our world"
  • #102
  • Jun 15, 2011 4:09pm Jun 15, 2011 4:09pm
Quoting oluwadare
I have traded... uncountable strategies which ... will guarantee you 5-10% monthly.
Using Trade Explorer or Myfxbook.com,
please post a real money account with at least 200 trades
taken within the past 6 months to support your claim.

No MT4 backtest reports....

Trade Explorer and Myfxbook.com now automatically designate Live real money accounts versus Demo accounts.
I don't care if it's a small $50 account...

If your draw down is more than 30% to achieve 5-10% profit then don't bother.
I can do that myself.

Eagerly awaiting your results.
  • #103
  • Jun 15, 2011 4:25pm Jun 15, 2011 4:25pm
Quoting Intu
same as -
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=109589
100% Win Math Grid EA

with different range (100 pip levels)

no edge solely in this....
welcome to the possibility of weeks of draw down
or worse...
Intu & ajantala: two things.

First, your fast definition of what oluwadare is trying to explain as a "grid" system is imprecise. I would better define it a sort of "dynamic hedging" because the hedge is triggered just to cover a potential loss, if it happens. This kind of strategy is more similar to nanningbob's risk management than to a pure market-neutral grid, where you immediately place the two opposite orders.

Second: since usually the readers of such forums are adults, and in several cases they are also quite well educated (perhaps not profitable as traders as you are, but surely with maybe years of experience in the field, as in my case. Just don't want to tell here in public my other aliases on a couple of other forums...), I really don't understand the efforts of people like you and ajantala of destroying such discussions with useless sarcastic and destructive criticisms. We are big enough for deciding with our brain whether and to what extent the things this Mr. is telling us are original/copied, useful/dangerous and the like... What normal people as we are do, if at last we decide this is nothing worth pursuing, is simply press the link on top of the page and go reading something else.
Wouldn't you (both) eventually consider doing so?

To Mr. Oluwadare: of course, given the title of the thread, I supposed we were coming to a hedging system. I have some problems in understanding your explanation above due to some language barrier. Can you eventually try to put a picture together, eventually with power point, for instance, to explain the levels, the percentages, the trigger points?

Thanks and goodbye

BL
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  • #104
  • Jun 15, 2011 4:47pm Jun 15, 2011 4:47pm
Dare,
good system keep it up i have worked on this system and i descovered that the death trade must come one day coz it is martingale.
The best one can get from martingale is using it to optimize a tested and trusted trading. Eg itrader5.mt4stats.com.... Keep the good work bro.
  • #105
  • Jun 15, 2011 10:08pm Jun 15, 2011 10:08pm
Quoting Intu
Using Trade Explorer or Myfxbook.com,
please post a real money account with at least 200 trades
taken within the past 6 months to support your claim.

No MT4 backtest reports....

Trade Explorer and Myfxbook.com now automatically designate Live real money accounts versus Demo accounts.
I don't care if it's a small $50 account...

If your draw down is more than 30% to achieve 5-10% profit then don't bother.
I can do that myself.

Eagerly awaiting your results.
Chairman,
My maximum risk is 5%. I am not responsible to you.Mind you I have 3months to prove this strategy, and I have 2months to go even on this forum.

Thank you.
  • #106
  • Jun 15, 2011 10:15pm Jun 15, 2011 10:15pm
I'm not sure if this is a professional troll in disguise or not. So I'll do the safe thing and come back 2 months later.

I hope another financial crash happens soon. The moment it happens, I'm going to be the first to start a thread for those martingaler and grid traders. That is if you all are still around to say anything.
  • #107
  • Jun 15, 2011 10:29pm Jun 15, 2011 10:29pm
zero net loss? it's very interisting.., how come? just for comparison to mine my sistem just 70:30 profit/loss with profit factor 8.90, max draw down 8%...u can see my trade this month (2 weeks) graphic...and i wonder if zero net loss, then ur graphic is straight up with no waves..? wow great!!
btw, i use averaging following trend strategies with dynamic use of volume @ multiple pair
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  • #108
  • Jun 15, 2011 11:02pm Jun 15, 2011 11:02pm
For criticisms toward me...
I was merely reacting to Oluwadare's very bold statement-

"I have traded and developed uncountable strategies that will guarantee you 5-10% per month".

I asked for proof. If anyone makes ridiculous statements regarding their
trading expertise, experience, or results... I would ask the same of them.
Not questioning... creates the opportunity for the next Jacko scenario.
Threads grow to enormous sizes all with "accepted" pseudo-truths.

As for the system, his link - http://fxwealth.mtrocket.com/
has been used repeatedly throughout this thread.

It clearly states on that website that MT Rocket is for sale for 2000 euros.
Can we just brand him a Commercial Member and be done with it?

...To protect the gullible and easily fooled.
  • #109
  • Jun 15, 2011 11:15pm Jun 15, 2011 11:15pm
Get him out of here!!!
  • #110
  • Jun 16, 2011 12:12am Jun 16, 2011 12:12am
Quoting oluwadare
Chairman,
My maximum risk is 5%. I am not responsible to you.Mind you I have 3months to prove this strategy, and I have 2months to go even on this forum.

Thank you.
5% risk is a lot.

When trading stock / index / futures, the minimum price it can go is zero, while the maximum is infinite. In forex, the minimum and the maximum price can go is infinite.

You're trading without a stop with 5% max risk and you said you are a Risk manager? I beg your pardon? You have absolutely zero respect on market.

But off course I have no problem with you posting your strategy. I just feel sorry for those who follow. To them, money talks. It's all that matter.

So, instead of laughing to yourself when others criticize you, you should take their criticism. You're laughing now, and you feel like you are the greatest trader, that you can outsmart the market. Well, my suggestion is get a dog, because when the whole world is against you, you have no friend. It's a reality check for you friend. And I mean it.
  • #111
  • Jun 16, 2011 1:22am Jun 16, 2011 1:22am
Good-day All,
Handling Losses:
1. Assuming your trade is on buy 1lot and the trade goes against you with 100pips as stop, your pending order of sellstop 2lot is trigged 100pips below the buy lot 1. If the trade goes down down down, close it either at no gain no loss(100pips below sellstop 2lot) or gain 100pips+.

2.If the trade goes against you when sell 2lot is triggered, just set a pending buystop 2lot at the price of buy 1lot and set take profit of buy 1lot at entry price.
After the reversal you buy 1lot closes at $0 and the buy 2lot is executed.At this point your trade is hedged on 2% loss inbetween. Note that,if it is a ranging market you make money trading against the range.

The way Out!
A. Allow the trade to brake out using your daily and 4hrs chart.
B. Wait for a valid resistant point 100-200pips+ away. When the resistant point is reached and you can see a strong reversal sign, Take the leg in profit. Lets assume the market went 250pips away in the buy direction,take profit of 250pips in the buy direction when the market has reversed away from the resistant point.
C. Set a pending order of buy 2lot above the resistant point.Let the sell 2lot leg to reverse by 100pips and close it at NO GAIN NO LOSS. If it reverses by more 100pips then it is a GAIN.

How to spot a clear Reversal:
1. Ensure it is a resistant point.
2. On you 1hr chart the market will give a slow reversal for a long period of time which will be confirmed by your 4hrs chart.
3. Be highly calculative
4.If the strategy don't work the present resistant point be sure that it will work on the next one.

OR
Build a Trade against the 2% loss to hedge it out.I will explain it with a chart latter.

3. I will expound on how to edge your portfolio from unforeseen losses.You don't expose your equity to the market!!!!!!!. You must be in control of your trades and equity.

I will continue with trading methods later in the day."Be ready to think outside the box".


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The chart explains No 1 and part of No 2.I am a very busy person. I will come up with the indicators, the games to expand your thinking, how to internally hedge your portfolio from unseen losses. By then you will know how to be in control of the market and not the market controlling you.


Successful Trading.
  • #112
  • Jun 16, 2011 3:59am Jun 16, 2011 3:59am
Quoting betterlife
I would better define it a sort of "dynamic hedging" because the hedge is triggered just to cover a potential loss, if it happens.
No predicting, no anticipation, no bias, no trend, no ranges, no charts, no stops, no martingaling and low 1:1 leverage.

Just numbers and risk management, like "real" businesses do

PS:

This is from this week alone.

the nasty drop at the end is my ""FFS" (fat finger syndrome) lol!!

PPS:

Ignore me im inconsistent and that is a demo account
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  • #113
  • Jun 16, 2011 4:05am Jun 16, 2011 4:05am
Quoting oluwadare
I will come up with the indicators, the games to expand your thinking, how to internally hedge your portfolio from unseen losses. By then you will know how to be in control of the market and not the market controlling you.


Successful Trading.
Thats interesting
  • #114
  • Jun 16, 2011 5:51am Jun 16, 2011 5:51am
Quoting Pipalicious
No predicting, no anticipation, no bias, no trend, no ranges, no charts, no stops, no martingaling and low 1:1 leverage.

Just numbers and risk management, like "real" businesses do

PS:

This is from this week alone.

the nasty drop at the end is my ""FFS" (fat finger syndrome) lol!!

PPS:

Ignore me im inconsistent and that is a demo account
WOW, pipalicius, that's nice!

I saw your threads and interests, and I think I share very much your "quant" feelings. Perhaps we can get in some collaboration...

At least I would be very interested in the "quantic" concept you've embedded in your script. Did you discuss it elsewhere, here or in other forums?

Bye

BL
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  • #115
  • Jun 16, 2011 7:17am Jun 16, 2011 7:17am
Quoting thelws
I'm not sure if this is a professional troll in disguise or not. So I'll do the safe thing and come back 2 months later.

I hope another financial crash happens soon. The moment it happens, I'm going to be the first to start a thread for those martingaler and grid traders. That is if you all are still around to say anything.
Dear thelws,
I hope you will look here inside before the crash.

Well, let me first say that it is a bit weird wishing a catastrophe just to demonstrate that you're right and the others wrong... But let's leave it apart.

My friend, just try considering our good Pipalicious. Let's assume it's real money, it works, and... it is a "bad risk management style" hedging, grid, martingale (your bad things...!). Let's also assume the crash won't be next week, and he goes on totalling 20.000$

3 weeks, 300% ROI.

Now, our brave pipalicious stops his EA for a minute and withdraws $10.000 out of his trading account into a "safe" bank. He started with 5000$, and he takes home the double in three weeks. We don't consider the initial $5000 investment, because it is still there, as "working capital", plus additional $5000 in the trading account.

... still three weeks, and the initial $10.000 has become $40.000.
Our brave pipalicious puts into the bank $20.000 or $25.000, as he prefers. Six weeks "hard work", and from the initial investment of $5000, he cashed $30.000-35.000. Not bad, eh... Enough for a living, at least following my standards.

In the seventh week the crash happens, Greece is bankrupt, the Euro has collapsed, all the European banks are out of business, U.S. debt explodes, some atomic plants collapse... Whatever (ok: under this scenario probably we'll be no longer interested in this useless discussions...).

Pipalicious' system gets margin called. $15.000 lost!

... So what?

Out of the bank, $5.000 and let's start again! Six weeks and we're where we were.

I saw your other thread about SL/non-SL. Your friend trading so differently than you could be not so dummy...

I think we should be open to think "out of the box".

Compared to other forums I am more familiar with, here at FF I think there is a bit too much importance given to "pips": I gained so many pips, I have accumulated so many pips in my account... And you're as good as the number of pips collected over (possibly a long) time on the broker account.

I'm not going shopping with pips in the wallet, rather with Euro.

Risk management is paramount in this business. But maybe it can be implemented also in an "investment" and "business" logic, not just by placing stop losses (note: I have nothing in principle against them, and I'm using them regularly. Just, lately, I'm asking myself whether this is the best way to do it). If you ever had an insight into the option world you would have seen that there people usually do not use SL, but trades spreads: hedged positions.

BTW: this is not my original idea: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=294150

But I found the idea so enlightening that I am glad to spread it further!

Bye

BL
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  • #116
  • Jun 16, 2011 8:37am Jun 16, 2011 8:37am
Quoting betterlife
stops his EA for a minute and withdraws $10.000 out of his trading account into a "safe" bank.
Withdrawing is a good thing for risk pursposes.
Personally im not using an EA, it is 100% manual but there are EA's that do very well providing they are developed to adapt to market conditions.

Quoting betterlife
He started with 5000$, and he takes home the double in three weeks. We don't consider the initial $5000 investment, because it is still there, as "working capital", plus additional $5000 in the trading account.


Im still working on it privately but yes, that is the intention, have working capital in constant motion.

As opposed to what many think, I dictate the RR and win/loss, not the market. The market is a constant flow of opportunity.

But for lack of arguments and non-productive comments im not discussing what im doing, yet. Too much pain, scrapes, bumps and ridiculous amount of research put into this...

But, if you look at my "vouch list" you will get a good indication as to the sources that "inspired" me to this.

Quoting betterlife
In the seventh week the crash happens, Greece is bankrupt, the Euro has collapsed, all the European banks are out of business, U.S. debt explodes, some atomic plants collapse... Whatever (ok: under this scenario probably we'll be no longer interested in this useless discussions...).
I think we would all lose here, whichever way one trades...

But if it was a black swan then id make a lot of money....everything else being equal of course.

Quoting betterlife
Compared to other forums I am more familiar with, here at FF I think there is a bit too much importance given to "pips".
No. There is too much enphasis given to systems and not enough given to risk management.

Quoting betterlife
If you ever had an insight into the option world you would have seen that there people usually do not use SL, but trades spreads: hedged positions.
Bingo.

Think in business terms what you would do.

Think how a business is run, how they "manage the numbers".

Isnt the market, a place where providers and consumers gather?

Oluwadare has openly shared his views, many can think what they want.
It is his thread and im just observing it.
Many are cynical due to experiences, be them vague or prolonged. But in the end, each one to their own...
  • #117
  • Jun 16, 2011 9:06am Jun 16, 2011 9:06am
Pipalicious, do you share your method anywhere on here? If not, would you be willing to?

Quoting Pipalicious
No predicting, no anticipation, no bias, no trend, no ranges, no charts, no stops, no martingaling and low 1:1 leverage.

Just numbers and risk management, like "real" businesses do

PS:

This is from this week alone.

the nasty drop at the end is my ""FFS" (fat finger syndrome) lol!!

PPS:

Ignore me im inconsistent and that is a demo account
  • #118
  • Jun 16, 2011 1:08pm Jun 16, 2011 1:08pm
Quoting Intu
For criticisms toward me...
I was merely reacting to Oluwadare's very bold statement-

"I have traded and developed uncountable strategies that will guarantee you 5-10% per month".

I asked for proof. If anyone makes ridiculous statements regarding their
trading expertise, experience, or results... I would ask the same of them.
Not questioning... creates the opportunity for the next Jacko scenario.
Threads grow to enormous sizes all with "accepted" pseudo-truths.

As for the system, his link - http://fxwealth.mtrocket.com/...
Friend, The dubious man is often suspicious because he thinks other men are dubious as he is.

"Freely have we received, Freely shall we give" "Integrity is Priceless"
  • #119
  • Jun 16, 2011 2:39pm Jun 16, 2011 2:39pm
Quoting Pipalicious

As opposed to what many think, I dictate the RR and win/loss, not the market. The market is a constant flow of opportunity.
Hi pipalicious, I hope you've read the PM I sent you...

This sentence of yours is absolutely interesting. I can understand that you control RR, but then EVEN win/loss...

As a tendential "quant" I would say they're normally inversely proportional. You might try to increase both, but this is were "gurus" probably separate themselves from "normal guys" (like I am, probably). Normally you've to chose a tradeoff...

Quoting Pipalicious

But, if you look at my "vouch list" you will get a good indication as to the sources that "inspired" me to this.


This is what I'm making the whole day, now (looking around your vouch list). I have found some dices and other interesting "out of the box" thinkers... ... but still far from the picture.

I told you I have spent probably the same painful research path. I admire you for the point you've been able to arrive already. How would I like to be at the same stage.

Not to "cannibalize" oluwadare's thread: wouldn't it be possible starting another one?

I'm sorry I cannot vouch you, yet (too newbie): take it as done!

Bye

BL
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  • #120
  • Jun 16, 2011 3:15pm Jun 16, 2011 3:15pm
Anyone else notice that the floating P/L was -33% on that report? Not that I'm well versed in this thread, but just stating what may not be obvious at first glance.

Suppose the floating P/L dropped to 50%..... then the account owner became so arrogant not to take a 50% loss, they keep it open for recovery.... only to have the account completely wiped out.

Are you willing to concede that this is also part of the strategy??? The ultra high risk that you are clearly accepting?
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