Pattern's Chemo-Electric Trading Journal

Hey just a thought


The patterns you are interested in are ment to reflect human behaviour right? Well consider that people arent trading, computers are. However of course human behaviour is in some way the basis for the computational parameters of those EAs. But still, think about this fact, that its not people trading. An average forex position is open for about 30 seconds, i trade fast but i wouldnt even be able to beat the spread most times if i where to aim for that. So its EAs with little to no spread thats placing almost all the bulk of trades in forex, geographically near those centers where the data is collected.

Im incorporating H1 bollys P20 2 deviations to analyse which direction might be to volatile to trade, middle range of bollys dangerous stuff, and where there is a lot of space above/below inside the bolly. Though it seems something big is going on over at JP Morgan, look at silver the last couple of days, and there is big volatility in E/U right now. I think mid east stuff is making things really volatile.

You make a good point. Last week, I made a change to my thinking about charts:
Two recent threads on "random" made, to me, a good argument for the market being mostly random. There's always a nonrandom feature -- separate symbol, news / session, etc. -- that the randomness surrounds. And, there's not too much worry from me about this, since technical chart studies are designed to handle a good bit of randomness.

There's not a direct connect on how people act trading with the reason and results of their trade, and multiply that by all those trading at any one time.... Sounds like an interesting experiment

It seems you keep up with the human side of it anyway, the JP Morgan news and all.
Also, I see you took up a new approach. It was cycles, now volatility. I guess cycles would be the indicator, volatility finding an opportune symbol/time to study with the indicator.

There's no way for me to study how supercomputers trade, only to have knowledge that they do from what you said and from some insider charts in posts from ff's quants. So I just practice and rewrite until, maybe, I'll get workable routine.

Thanks for stopping in, and good luck trading.

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Looks cogent, with fewer isolated ideas in it:















my method

type of string reason puts thru chart (ex., a TL), <> w/actual concept (here, future), other strings
A. MOTION Complex, fast gut traces: Path anchors to fight-or-flight response cartilage/muscles.
B. MOTION, mixed pattern filled w/ff states (sympathetic: ff to i/o; parasympathetic: relax to bb)
C. MOTION, MATCH Study w/gut support calling its worth, unconsciously change or +/- material for trade.
D. MATCH, mixed sum one layer, to carry, while think of and do something else.
E. MATCH Object-action that is set, immersed in and content with, emotion* replaces gut reaction.
* anchors with emotions, justification for listed:
Money anchors the junk we exchange for with others to keep on living and doing stuff:
0 Ya know, my finances are nothin' but a MESS
1 sometimes, tho, I get a bunch of it at once (tend to waste it all (Anything can happen! )....
2 Then, after I compromise my principles and look for a job sucessfully in the System, regular cash begins to trickle in;
3 and, once I compete to get a REAL job and even corner the market, I can proVIDE with security.
4+ Finally, all I want is for that $ to keep rollin' in -- No worries, Mahn.
So guess what I did? I rearranged the market emotions with the anchors to reflect this.
examples of use of the anchored emotions cycle:
-- Someone/thing may personify half an anchored emotion set, forcing you to defend the other half and often causing you to lose position at that for another set level.
-- (negative: Push you from a balanced 2 set that is positive and even-minded (x axis ((where consistency is (and thus a fast loss is their goal) : ) time)), into 1 ecstacy - 0 depression negative balance (y axis ((get you to pay too high) price)), repeating the positive others negatively to remove positive thoughts they may've missed and impersonating the negative others so you act negative toward trading.)

I don't mind sharing my method, by definition.
When it gets to mm, though, I WANT My slice. for




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'nother.
















(dump, first.....)







Get into one:
A. MOTION Complex, fast gut traces: Path anchors to fight-or-flight response cartilage/muscles.
B. MOTION, mixed object-action pattern filled w/ff states (sympathetic: ff to i/o; parasymp.: relax to bb)
C. MOTION, MATCH Study w/gut support calling its worth, unconsciously change or +/- material for trade.
D. MATCH Set, immersed and content object-action wise, mixed emotion* replaces gut reaction.
E. MATCH, a studied layer, so can divert attention. Control alternates candle w/line study.
* anchors with emotions, justification for listed:
Money anchors the junk we exchange for with others to keep on living and doing stuff:
0 Ya know, my finances are nothin' but a MESS
1 sometimes, tho, I get a bunch of it at once (tend to waste it all (Anything can happen! )....
2 Then, after I compromise my principles and jobhunt sucessfully in the System, regular cash begins to trickle in;
3 and, once I compete to get a REAL job and even corner the market, I can proVIDE with security.
4+ Finally, all I want is for that $ to keep rollin' in -- No worries, Mahn.
So guess what I did? I rearranged the market emotions with the anchors to reflect this.












(Okay, on with it: )











I don't mind sharing my method, by definition.
When it gets to mm, though, I WANT My slice. for

Okay, I finally take anchors seriously. For a first time, at least.
Of course, most of my ideas fall apart, and I expect no less from anchors.
Still, the idea of anchors is reasonably logical (I think...)










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Oh, just to note, here's admiration for Jiva34's last half-dozen posted charts. Something that took me years to figure, Jiva34 sums in so short a time. Kudos.

Lots of members have great charts that do just as good or better than mine in a method similar to mine (TL's (regardless of how they were formed) with really good price-time line angle observation), and it'd be hubris (which I have a lot of) not to say something.

another (mm), from here: "My job is to protect my capital and not put it in more risk than I need to handle, straight and simple."














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I don't mind sharing my method, by definition.
When it gets to mm, though, I WANT My slice. {boxing} for {money}




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(less explanatory, more interconnected)












I don't mind sharing my method, by definition.
When it gets to mm, though, I WANT My slice. for

Rewrote the last picture so market emotion cycle absorbs the idea of anchors. It already expands upon the fight-or-flight response, so I just dropped it.








Emotions must fit in, since I made a trade THIS dumb....

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What's neat about this is, even though I've just lost several accounts as I always do, I also experienced a series of emotions between me and other people and objects in the way described in the new approach. Thus, even if I lose using the method, I still gain real-life experience.



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Rewrote picture again for clarity, this time including drawing devices:





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another.
It's not that I dropped chart study - psych connection; rather, the chart study is given so plainly that any so plain may serve to render the large, solid dots understandable in detail for each picture in the market emotion cycle version given.

(post#1 dump)

Sorry if bother.

I don't mind sharing my method, by definition.
When it gets to mm, though, I WANT My slice. for

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New. Actually, no: It's the exact same thing as above, only shortened for ease of use and to connect anchor directly with the cycle's version of anchor, that is, a more real-to-life version of use of anchor. (If I wanted, I could throw in the latest ff symbols. Not sure, yet.)
That summation math symbol is loosely based, kinda.






(and the regular stuff)


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or rather...




People get tired of this....
no progress, constant margin calls, superficial and obscure language.
Maybe a break is necessary.

Sorry, 'nother.

Last one's good, just inadequate.
It dodged really conNECting with it as a formula; thus, I boiled down lots of extra related info areas to connect a couple of extra ideas taken simply, and made the directness of relatedness of the ideas the primary feature of the picture.






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(new)

Note the reference sources above for the middle line's
p(s) (i.e., (para)sympathetic, or simply para- signals the body to do whatever in a way that surrounds how the sympathetic does about the same thing);
ff (, or the five shapes I listed that in a way describe stages of the physical rendition of the fight-or-flight response);
and, 'tetanus' (muscle) (, which tracks on a chart in waves).

The top and bottom words are in my notes already,
although one can refer to the top word in physical science, which is also referenced above as 'action-reaction',
and to the bottom word in finance, which is easily googled and which I made clarifications -- to wit, a logr-(midline's)anchor dot interpretation, for in terms of my method.










Hmmmm....


Okay, what makes sense, then, is that the latter picture explains (away?) the fuzzy parts of the first picture. Thus, it's
, where ..



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Nyah, simple is good, or rather keep it all in one place.

Hey, im getting sort of crazy and overworked and stressed and everything so id appreciate another mind less atrophied then mine right now: Cross of Ma 9 and 21 exponential. Check it out on M1 and M5, and other TF too. Check multi TF at the same time, to see if it crosses on many TFs at the same time, what happens? This is important stuff, i think that alone can be traded. Now i need to get my brain off trading, check back with you monday or something. Have a nice weekend!

. I respect you for making $$ from stochastics, ma's etc.
It's just not me. I'm more a purist, and have posted lots of arguments against using most average-based, automatic indicators.

That doesn't mean what I do works. As Turveyd (who trades similarly to you) said of my style of chart marking, "Doubt very much you can trade off that profitably live, but hey if you've got to try you've got to try."

One thing about traders is they have a lot of tenacity. Perhaps that's why some really good debate happens at this site.

I dont agree that i trade much like Turveyd, he uses MAs as entry and possibly dont have any systematical way of exit, neither of those apply to how i trade. I dont agree that there are some really good debate at this site, i havent found any. I dont agree that i make $$ from stochastic ma's etcetera, because i dont. I dont agree that traders have a lot of tenacity, most are lazy, ignorant and completely uncapable of civil communication and collaboration and that makes them totally incapable of all those things they need to be capable of to be profitable.

And i wouldnt doubt your chartmaking efficiency if there was any evidence to suggest it. I dont make predictions on data i cannot survey, so i cannot say anything about if your chartmaking efficiency will reach a point where you will be profitable live for an extended period of time or not. The knowledge you need for that may come in a second, or never at all, which is the case i cannot say. I make predictions on 1 to 21 minutes on E/U price not on the state of human consiousness three months or nine years in the future.

Hi Yaed,
I apologize on presuming all these things.

I agree; how:
One poster said a while ago, I forget who, that we only and should only post to enlighten self-awareness and express new ideas that further ourselves along the path to better trading.

One thing I'm really bad at is understanding and expressing who people are for their own selves. In other words, I'm poor at getting along.
At the same time, I am a fiercely independent thinker and search for others that are also.

So what I'll do is mute my own strong, deeply experienced views as they fit with others' in a social ranking way and find some common note from a closely related subject I agree on with the other individual, such as with the pyramids.
Other times, I end up giving strong views that are merely superficial comparisons and are probably wrong in a lot of ways. These help shape my own views with the answer I get.

Because the latter is true in this case, now I will adjust how I relate when I encounter the subjects discussed in my last post here.

Good trading to you next week.

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normal scenario

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-- allows a normal range of emotions (based on an anchor connected with a modest form of the stage of ff, the spike, shown in the picture)

CRISIS scenario

Just ignore it. (No, kidding. It gets painful, reactive, PSTD-like, crazy, twisted here.)

tetanus-modifying anchor stage and its (para)sympathetic switch for
fight-or-flight response

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(or relax, in its passive absence, or broaden-and-build, in its active absence, or impulse/overwhelm (which I made up), in its passive, polarized presence)

-- emotions change as a different stage of ff overtakes the individual, thus adjusting the level one is at with the other entity in terms of fight with or flight from that entity being necessary




Each emotion, regardless of stage of ff, may merely change intensity, also, according to distance from object(s) studied:

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hi ha-pattern,

how are you?

do you actually identify emotional states on a chart, or how do you apply your concepts to trading? did you read into behavioral finance literature?

thanks

Hi, silverheat. It's an honor; I've always enjoyed your posts.

No I don't. Sorry if I misled you.

The psychology side of trading has always been bad as my technical study has been good. On the other hand, I've been reading on my own about psychology for a few decades and came up with a personal model I've been using and adding a little onto seven years ago.
Sure, I've read some of the literature. One thing I have a real problem with about behavioral finance and psychology in general, is that it's all over the place. Being so fragmented makes a lot of work for most people; I mean, there are the branches that tie down one behavior or another to parts of the mindbody that experiments connect them to, but then you have to be some kind of professional to have gone through the logic of connecting the different mindbody parts with any kind of effectiveness. Otherwise, it seems to be "Okay, I'll shut down this one chemical that runs half your body" (dopamine, etc.) and be done with it.
So I knew I wasn't going to get any real help finding answers unless I searched for information that really went for concrete results, made a model that generalized how a bunch of various concrete information worked together, and used that model to skip most of the heavy-duty thinking that professionals have to do.

The picture in my last post, the emotions and all, is a simplified version of the market emotion cycle, which anyone can google and use. I did a version last week or so that included 'anger' and some other stuff, only I was reaching a bit with that one -- must've been exploring the idea of the cycle, to see where it would go. (Been doing this way of thinking so long...)

The anchor stuff was mine; it seemed something anybody could agree with, to a point. To be honest, I haven't figured how to use it too effectively in trading. I know it goes in chart study, because I can give several examples of each anchor type and occasionally use it; only, I've thrown out more chart study methods, including several of my own design, than I can count where this is the case. The idea of anchors is much stronger than I've yet been able to catch onto.
One clue from life I recently got is the use of flying wedges and other geometric formations in combat and also the range of interpretations of how spikes (as in the last post's picture's inset cycles variants of) interact with objects (or the large dots, perhaps). It sounds like it'll only go into the psychology side of it, if at all; only, it's so plain an idea that I may be able to finally match my method's interpretation with the strength of idea of anchors -- and even align drawn lines more logically, I should hope -- in chart study itself.

No, I depend on (micro-)trend angles and the occasional drawing device (Gann Fan, TL (plain, highlighted center, or ray), ellipse, triangle, and even rectangle) to get me through.
The bigger picture in my last post seems to be about mm. (Note: I say it this way because I depend a lot on my unconscious working for me.)

Thanks for stopping in.

Oh yeah...
One look at wikipedia's "list of cognitive biases" may support how confusing the behavioral finance science, and psychology in general, really is. I guess it's useful to be able to excuse a lot on the list as repeats or whatever, only that's beyond me and, besides, I've read about and included several of these ideas and found them of less use than older or bigger psychological concepts such as power, flow, and motive, and tying them together in self-experimentation. I will say I can trust to a higher degree smaller psych ideas, if peer-reviewed etc., that've been directly connected to mindbody parts, that is, the amygdala (a concept way too big for me to understand, it would seem) or whatever.


In sum, I'm some poor schmuck who has a lot of time on my hands at the moment, and I choose to spend it making psychological models generalized from my own life and somewhat substantiated with above-board studies and readings of the past bunch of years. That I started putting some of them online, only means that I've brought them closer to the subject under which I post them; otherwise, consider that I post these models in a journal, where psychology, to a few sources, claims 95% of would-be traders as just another number. So I feel it's okay to go beyond the pale reaching for some answer -- maybe an easy one, I admit -- to why I and lots of people lose and can instead gain so much $ at trading. And, the more I incorporate in the chart study, the better; there's no way in H--- I can legitimately apply psychology directly to the chart.

Okay, I got your answer --
I strive to create and apply the same or as similar as possible psychometrics to chart study as to myself when I then trade.
Two birds with one stone, if you will.

Yeah, I know, fairly long-winded of me. Okay, I'm off to test the two new ideas of flying wedges and other geometric formations in combat and also the range of interpretations of how spikes (as in the last post's picture's inset cycles variants of) interact with objects (or the large dots, perhaps). Expect nothing; I'll send pictures.


Best of trading to you.

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method

OPT Anchor a gland's major chemical (posted a sample list; brain: may want to use +chemical, instead) and/or a logr's emotion (see market emotion cycle -- I posted a simpler version). (NOTE: The chemicals picture, I (a pure amateur) read a few books to get, mostly ___)

detail

Just noticed this when i was analyzing yesterday today.

A little more forcefull downmove then the upmove (distance between the MAs) but the pattern is unmistakable, look at the CCI also).

If a regular guy could just get good enough at pattern recognition and just fill the head up with stuff like that, boy oy boy that´d be just swell.

Tpl is there if you want to play around with it.

Hi yaed,

I don't spend more than a couple of minutes on the added-on charts I post elsewhere; I use paint.net or another drawing program to put in what I noticed.

My guess is a trade would be from the upper areas to the right side's lower area.

To that, the parallel lines broke the runup into three apparent pieces, and the upper area held the lines' angle and consistency reasonably well. (I'd posted several parallel-line charts recently, so used them.)

Another trade may be after the right edge.

The second ellipse on top of the chart has a striking shape, so I wanted to see what I could do with it. My first instinct was to go for a Gann Fan, only the whole area lent itself more to midlines / parallel lines, so I thought it'd be okay to move on to something else.

A backup is a shape I like to make, where you find a shape that repeats 1-3 times and pick one dot -- often, the pivot high; here, the center of an ellipse -- and cross a ray from each dot at an extra dot that is significant in its alignment with each of the rays' originating shapes.

So, my initial guess would be the price-time line will be bullish until it hits one or both of these higher, later lines.

A small trade, 7-20 was bullish. The better trade along the latter lines was to wait after this small bull trade went through and did 80 pips. Only, I didn't study this much to justify such a move.

Dump time again; more combining than, I guess.
Included explanatories for what little is left.
Reminder : I am a rank amateur -- Read a couple of books and read into it some metaphors. I know nothing, really, of chemicals and such.



















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