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  • #41
  • Dec 3, 2010 6:28am Dec 3, 2010 6:28am
Looking at EURUSD 30 min, the signals going back several months look great. There will be a lot of signals on the 5 min, not as many on the 30 min. but the ones on the 30 minute are pretty solid....
  • #42
  • Dec 3, 2010 8:20am Dec 3, 2010 8:20am
Quoting jiva34
Thank you. Earlier today I managed to get the function coded by copy and paste from sidhujag's mq4. Not without a lot of effort. I learned a bit more about coding though...

Do you have any experience with normalizing an indicator?
If you have minute take a look at this indi. Taiyakixz put it together when we were trying to determine if there was trend or not. It's pretty sensitive but I think it would be more valuable if it were normalized over a range, like rsi or stoch. There's a way to do it mathematically. And probably a way to do it in...
What you mean is an oscillator like RSI or STOCH and yes you can do that to moving averages or other indicators just specify them to be oscillating between a min/max.. I believe its pretty easy.

Let me know how testing goes with the hulls and other trend detection.

Jag
  • #43
  • Dec 3, 2010 8:32am Dec 3, 2010 8:32am
he used mathabs which makes the value always positive
i removed that and added a 0 line
is this what u meant?

Quoting jiva34
Thank you. Earlier today I managed to get the function coded by copy and paste from sidhujag's mq4. Not without a lot of effort. I learned a bit more about coding though...

Do you have any experience with normalizing an indicator?
If you have minute take a look at this indi. Taiyakixz put it together when we were trying to determine if there was trend or not. It's pretty sensitive but I think it would be more valuable if it were normalized over a range, like rsi or stoch. There's a way to do it mathematically. And probably a way to do it in...
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  • #44
  • Dec 3, 2010 8:34am Dec 3, 2010 8:34am
all the indy is doing, is counting the diference in pips from current bar, to previouse bar
if strength period is 1

so if the ma is flat, level, youl get 0
  • #45
  • Edited 8:53am Dec 3, 2010 8:39am | Edited 8:53am
Quoting a_trader
all the indy is doing, is counting the diference in pips from current bar, to previouse bar
if strength period is 1

so if the ma is flat, level, youl get 0
Yes I believe so, to move around 0.. Will play with it some later....
  • #46
  • Edited 10:26am Dec 3, 2010 8:45am | Edited 10:26am
I was just about at the point of "maybe this is hopeless",
of course even if it was I wasn't about to give up......

And now in a split second a whole new window of opportunity has opened up, am I ever amazed or what!!!


The signals are very good. Adding the hull is working. Just playing with the simulator these trades standout with neon signs saying "enter here"......
This didn't start out as a trend catcher, but seems to have taken off in that direction...
I have no complaints!!

Buying a top and selling a bottom is pretty much avoided....

This is the kind of trade we can expect... This is EURUSD last November simulated trading 15 min chart...

Your signal indicator has changed the whole game..... It's put this over the top, I believe.

Hoping not to sound too demanding, any chance of a sound alert?

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  • #47
  • Dec 3, 2010 8:54am Dec 3, 2010 8:54am
here is a histogram version with 2 colors
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  • #48
  • Edited 9:15am Dec 3, 2010 8:56am | Edited 9:15am
jiva, if u like lines better
in the init
change DRAW_HISTOGRAM to DRAW_LINE
in both places

edit, nevermind, it would need a 3rd buffer for lines
  • #49
  • Dec 3, 2010 9:32am Dec 3, 2010 9:32am
jiva
dont get caught up in tester, it doesnt give real results
it gives frustration, depression, doubt. or fantasy

also, dont try to make a ea that handles every possible condition
and trades 247

what i do, is i wake up at ny open (whatever time u trade)

i look at the chart, and i can tell if the conditions are suitable

in real life theres many reasons you might not trade on a certain day
holidays, news, ect...

like today, its friday, after lunch, the moves today are done
its a good time to stop, i stopped 3 hours ago

the longer you trade a certain session, the more capable you are to drive your strategy

theres things you learn
like, about 40% the time, ny reverses the trend in the first few hours

learning how to drive is the grail

tester trades everything

its not good to trade 24 hours unless ur on a larger tf, like h1 or higher

if you get caught up in tester, youl be stuck there a long time until you realize how inaccurate it is

even in tick mode, its still simulated control points
just on lesser time frames

far as the 90% quality
thats far from the truth

if tester doesnt use real ticks, how can there be quality

i assure you mt4 has no real ticks for tester

do a test on m1, 1st test tick mode
2nd test control points

any diference? nope

tick mode means, use control points on all available lesser time frames

theres no time frame below m1

i only use tester for open price strategies, and to just see if my programs are working correctly

hope that helps, since you were feeling down
  • #50
  • Edited 10:26am Dec 3, 2010 9:41am | Edited 10:26am
Quoting a_trader
jiva
dont get caught up in tester, it doesnt give real results
it gives frustration, depression, doubt. or fantasy

also, dont try to make a ea that handles every possible condition
and trades 247

what i do, is i wake up at ny open (whatever time u trade)

i look at the chart, and i can tell if the conditions are suitable

in real life theres many reasons you might not trade on a certain day
holidays, news, ect...

like today, its friday, after lunch, the moves today are done
its a good time to stop, i stopped 3 hours ago

the longer you trade...
Not feeling down anymore....

I can see you've done it all and then some. How fortunate we are to have you on the thread.....

I agree tester is not what we would like to think it is.
I do use it to see if the mechanics of an ea are in order.

I have some 99% tick data from Dukascopy I like to use.
Mt4 data sometimes has whole months missing and there is no way to know unless you take the time to go back through the whole thing and check the dates. That's the least of it with mt4 data.

As I have heard it said, and I totally agree, "90% modeling quality in the upper right hand corner is really just that: a number in the upper right hand corner, means just about nothing"....

The program I do like to use is a simulated trading program. It helps me to be able to visually spot the set ups. It feels a lot like live market action. I'll trade in it sometimes when I am waiting for a set up in the demo....

Demo is the best before using a live account.

All your points are right on.
Knowing the behavior specific to the market hours. Tokyo has its feel, Just before Frankfurt has its, London then NY. Yes I've notced just before NY open the London trend starts to reverse. Same with Asian open, they will reverse NY a lot of the time.

Even during the week, but especially on Fridays, after NY lunch time, time to call it quits...
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  • #51
  • Dec 3, 2010 9:45am Dec 3, 2010 9:45am
I think Jiva is running his new set up as a template through the visual strategy tester to see whether the entries and exits look good or not. Although the strategy tester is the most crude way of testing an EA, I think this method of visually checking a method is a good idea prior to coding a robot.
  • #52
  • Dec 3, 2010 9:59am Dec 3, 2010 9:59am
Quoting Invisible
I think Jiva is running his new set up as a template through the visual strategy tester to see whether the entries and exits look good or not. Although the strategy tester is the most crude way of testing an EA, I think this method of visually checking a method is a good idea prior to coding a robot.
This signal indicator a_trader has put together is fantastic. I am not in any hurry to try to code an ea for a while. I want to trade it manually. This is the best thing I think I have ever seen.
  • #53
  • Dec 3, 2010 10:03am Dec 3, 2010 10:03am
Just for chuckles, do you think this might be a signal short?
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  • #54
  • Dec 3, 2010 10:09am Dec 3, 2010 10:09am
i wouldnt expect much, friday + sitting on support

Quoting jiva34
Just for chuckles, do you think this might be a signal short?
  • #55
  • Dec 3, 2010 10:28am Dec 3, 2010 10:28am
Step by step "how to" for mlq4".

Really easy to follow. Just what the doctor ordered.........................

http://trendchaser.comze.com/tut1.html
  • #56
  • Dec 3, 2010 11:10am Dec 3, 2010 11:10am
heres version 2
made all settings editable, now you can explore other settings
added sound, popup, email...alerts

you could be making your own indy in a few hours without coding knowledge
read the tutorials at the link jiva posted
within the hour youl see how to edit this indy to your own system

even if you know nothing about coding, itl click quickly

the upper section is buy rules, the lower is sell
each line is a indy
you can disable a indy by commenting out the line
//

//this comment makes the text turn gray, this line is not compiled, it doesnt exist


Inserted Code
if(
iClose(NULL,time_frame,bar_shift)>iMA(NULL,time_frame,trend_period,shift,method,price,bar_shift)
&&iClose(NULL,0,i+1)<iMA(NULL,0,lo_period,lo_shift,lo_method,lo_price,i+1)
&&iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  1, i+1)<iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  2, i+1)
&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)<cci_upper
&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)>cci_lower
 ){
long=true;
short=false;
}
if(
iClose(NULL,time_frame,bar_shift)<iMA(NULL,time_frame,trend_period,0,MODE_SMA,PRICE_CLOSE,bar_shift)
&&iClose(NULL,0,i+1)>iMA(NULL,0,hi_period,hi_shift,hi_method,hi_price,i+1)
&&iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  1, i+1)>iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  2, i+1)
&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)<cci_upper
&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)>cci_lower
){
long=false;short=true;
}

heres example, lets remove cci without deleting it, comment it out with //

Inserted Code
if(
iClose(NULL,time_frame,bar_shift)>iMA(NULL,time_frame,trend_period,shift,method,price,bar_shift)
&&iClose(NULL,0,i+1)<iMA(NULL,0,lo_period,lo_shift,lo_method,lo_price,i+1)
&&iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  1, i+1)<iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  2, i+1)
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)<cci_upper
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)>cci_lower
 ){
long=true;
short=false;
}
if(
iClose(NULL,time_frame,bar_shift)<iMA(NULL,time_frame,trend_period,0,MODE_SMA,PRICE_CLOSE,bar_shift)
&&iClose(NULL,0,i+1)>iMA(NULL,0,hi_period,hi_shift,hi_method,hi_price,i+1)
&&iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  1, i+1)>iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  2, i+1)
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)<cci_upper
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)>cci_lower
){
long=false;short=true;
}

to add a indy, find it in the search panel
example, parabolic sar
type sar
in the results click on isar
all indicators start with i
you could search for
imacd
irsi
istoch
ect...ect...ect...

once you click on the isar, at the bottom a example will apear that you can copy & paste into the indy

simply edit the 0 at the end to i
or i+1 for previouse bar
put && in front of it

heres example with sar added & cci still removed

Inserted Code
if(
iClose(NULL,time_frame,bar_shift)>iMA(NULL,time_frame,trend_period,shift,method,price,bar_shift)
&&iClose(NULL,0,i+1)<iMA(NULL,0,lo_period,lo_shift,lo_method,lo_price,i+1)
&&iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  1, i+1)<iCustom(NULL, 0, "Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1",AlertOn,EMA_period,Stochastic_period,  2, i+1)
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)<cci_upper
//&&iCCI(NULL,0,cci_period,cci_price,i+1)>cci_lower
&&iClose(NULL,0,i)>iSAR(NULL,0,0.02,0.2,i)
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  • #57
  • Dec 3, 2010 11:20am Dec 3, 2010 11:20am
jiva, since you have a interest in coding
the way to go may be if you had a ea you can edit easily

i do have a method of adding unlimited indicators to a ea
almost as easy to edit as the indy
il probably post a ea over the weekend

itl be jiva rules exactly
then you can edit or add indicators as you like
i can walk you through adding hull, which is a custom indicator
custom indicators seem harder, but once you understand them, they are the same

once you master the custom indy, adding any indies will be easy

the only diference, is youl be editing 4 places in the ea instead of 1 place like the indy
  • #58
  • Dec 3, 2010 11:44am Dec 3, 2010 11:44am
i was checking over the tutorials, there is 2 of them
this one might be better, you should read both of them

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=209384

edit; i think this one should be first, it goes straight to explaining the structure
  • #59
  • Dec 3, 2010 11:53am Dec 3, 2010 11:53am
hmm, i was reading through the tutorial my self, the first one
it just ends, its not complete

heres where it was originally
trendchaser got banned n never finished it

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=108398
  • #60
  • Dec 3, 2010 12:36pm Dec 3, 2010 12:36pm
Quoting jiva34
Many thanks to...
Hi, I like this chart: clear, interesting...I will use those indy. Maybe very usefull for 5MIN system
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