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  • #21
  • Dec 2, 2010 5:36am Dec 2, 2010 5:36am
have to leave the trading desk in a few minutes. Went ahead and entered long.
A little early, but the candle closed .0001 below the 2ema.
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  • #22
  • Dec 2, 2010 2:51pm Dec 2, 2010 2:51pm
Hi Jiva,

Lets start from scratch... this is the EA based on your rules... forget the last one it was wrong. Try it out.

CCI is between -100 and 100... last candle 2 bars ago closed between two MA's and for sell last candle closed above the low and high of the MA's. Reverse for buys.

DSS is red for buy and green for short.
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File Type: mq4 jiva.mq4   3 KB | 377 downloads
  • #23
  • Dec 2, 2010 3:04pm Dec 2, 2010 3:04pm
Quoting sidhujag
Hi Jiva,

Lets start from scratch... this is the EA based on your rules... forget the last one it was wrong. Try it out.

CCI is between -100 and 100... last candle 2 bars ago closed between two MA's and for sell last candle closed above the low and high of the MA's. Reverse for buys.

DSS is red for buy and green for short.
If we could just get 65%/35% for either winning or losing... We'd be golden...

Thanks. Spent all day fiddling with the code for cci. Learned a lot.
Got 14.2 inverse set with the cci the way I wanted it. But guess what still the same ratio, best is 45%/55%. It's like no matter what settings, what indicators, whatever!! 45%/55% and that ratio is not enough for profitable trading...
Thanks for mq4.
  • #24
  • Dec 2, 2010 3:12pm Dec 2, 2010 3:12pm
Quoting jiva34
If we could just get 65%/35% for either winning or losing... We'd be golden...

Thanks. Spent all day fiddling with the code for cci. Learned a lot.
Got 14.2 inverse set with the cci the way I wanted it. But guess what still the same ratio, best is 45%/55%. It's like no matter what settings, what indicators, whatever!! 45%/55% and that ratio is not enough for profitable trading...
Thanks for mq4.
Its not bad if you know what trend you are in... a good trend filter is needed.

If this is in place you can actually take long term trades with 30 pip stops... pretty good.. try 150 or 300 tp you get alot
  • #25
  • Dec 2, 2010 4:11pm Dec 2, 2010 4:11pm
i put ur rules in a candle indy so i could easily look back n see where a ea would trade

thought id share it
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  • #26
  • Dec 2, 2010 4:21pm Dec 2, 2010 4:21pm
if you need any help coding il help

here is the cci code you can ad to your entry rules

Inserted Code
&&iCCI(NULL,0,55,PRICE_CLOSE,1)<100
&&iCCI(NULL,0,55,PRICE_CLOSE,1)>-100

change the 1 to 0 to use the current bar
i assume your waiting on bar close though
so all ur indies should say 1
unless its a crossing

Quoting jiva34
Hey, thanks...
Yes, I know Taiyakixz is expert coder. I guess I was meandering a little too much for him to tolerate, but for me it is part of the creative process, I look at a lot of things, some I use right away, some I store for possible use later. But I guess it was too much for him, coding is very exacting and requires definite and precise directions.

But I think you have caught up the drift of what was developing with the "Dragon Twins".

I was wondering if anyone on the thread was following the development. I agree we are...
  • #27
  • Dec 2, 2010 4:36pm Dec 2, 2010 4:36pm
Quoting jiva34
If we could just get 65%/35% for either winning or losing... We'd be golden...

Thanks. Spent all day fiddling with the code for cci. Learned a lot.
Got 14.2 inverse set with the cci the way I wanted it. But guess what still the same ratio, best is 45%/55%. It's like no matter what settings, what indicators, whatever!! 45%/55% and that ratio is not enough for profitable trading...
Thanks for mq4.
hi

how long have you been trading this ? and do you have results ?
  • #28
  • Dec 2, 2010 10:01pm Dec 2, 2010 10:01pm
Quoting jiva34
If we could just get 65%/35% for either winning or losing... We'd be golden...

Thanks. Spent all day fiddling with the code for cci. Learned a lot.
Got 14.2 inverse set with the cci the way I wanted it. But guess what still the same ratio, best is 45%/55%. It's like no matter what settings, what indicators, whatever!! 45%/55% and that ratio is not enough for profitable trading...
Thanks for mq4.
Hi Jiva. Thanks for sharing this trade with us.

Do you have itemized results? I have 3 trades, I've developed, and have entered most of the pertinent info into a database I've created. One of the things that this has really helped with is adjusting the stop loss. Each winner and loser (over 55 weeks) has a record of the number of pips that went against the trade. By averaging that number I can fine tune my stop.

This trade (looks to me) like it may be using an excessive stop. Of course I haven't the experience of working with 14.2, but I would be happy to help put it to music.

I'm still may not be clear on the precise set up. I've enclosed a close up that you can plainly see what I believe to be the proper set up. Would appreciate it if you would verify or modify my charts. I'll time stamp them so you can use your charts.

Thanks...

Chart of E/U Today @ 00:05 GMT. 7:05 EST. is time for Entry Candle. The 2 previous candles, I believe, are what you're talking about for the proper set up.

At the entry point of this trade;
• cci is between the 100 & -100
• dds just turned green
• 1 hour 8 sma (not shown) has just begun to turn down over the last 3 candles.
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  • #29
  • Dec 3, 2010 12:11am Dec 3, 2010 12:11am
Quoting diamonddbw
Hi Jiva. Thanks for sharing this trade with us.

Do you have itemized results? I have 3 trades, I've developed, and have entered most of the pertinent info into a database I've created. One of the things that this has really helped with is adjusting the stop loss. Each winner and loser (over 55 weeks) has a record of the number of pips that went against the trade. By averaging that number I can fine tune my stop.

This trade (looks to me) like it may be using an excessive stop. Of course I haven't the experience of working with 14.2, but I would...
Hi,

I saw your setup and your entry is followed by next possible setup after swing and that one should be adjusted for TP as well (here you have less space for pips than in previous one)
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  • #30
  • Dec 3, 2010 2:21am Dec 3, 2010 2:21am
Great response from everyone. Thanks so much. Feel like my head is butting up against a wall. Something isn't gelling.
Can't seem to get the ratio. A strategy needs to win at least 65% of the time. Best I can seem to get is 55%. That's just slightly over flipping a coin.
Will be taking a good look at the suggestions and pointers.
  • #31
  • Dec 3, 2010 2:31am Dec 3, 2010 2:31am
Quoting jiva34
Great response from everyone. Thanks so much. Feel like my head is butting up against a wall. Something isn't gelling.
Can't seem to get the ratio. A strategy needs to win at least 65% of the time. Best I can seem to get is 55%. That's just slightly over flipping a coin.
Will be taking a good look at the suggestions and pointers.
Jiva,

it seems to be still raw EA. We need to add some other indi, or refine existing CCI indi. Smth like only sell, when CCI is between 100 and 80 and is going down and vice versa.
  • #32
  • Dec 3, 2010 2:48am Dec 3, 2010 2:48am
Quoting sidhujag
Its not bad if you know what trend you are in... a good trend filter is needed.

If this is in place you can actually take long term trades with 30 pip stops... pretty good.. try 150 or 300 tp you get alot
That was the idea behind cci. That cci would keep us out of trending markets.
Trades taken when cci is less than 100 and more than -100, the middle area.
The strategy aims to trade in "non trending" markets. The dreaded consolidations... inverse strategy likes "em...
Buy at the bottom of the range and sell at the top, hence, inverse14.2.
There is a counterpart: v14.2 original which does better at capturing trend moves. But it's like Jack sprat and his wife, if you know the old nursery rhyme. One is strong in trend and the other strong in sideways market.

I was looking for cci to be able to identify if the market was trending or sideways.

Taiyakizx even invented a whole new indicator, Moving average strength.
If anyone knows how to normalize an indicator so that is moves between set values like rsi or stoch, between that would be fantastic.

I'll post the v14.2inverse(now v15 inverse with cci) that Taiyakixz worked on. I don't know how he could scrap it with all the work he put into it. It's a masterpiece.

Automating a strategy is not so easy. Even if the strategy is fairly decent getting it to run profitably on automatic is a huge challenge.

I hope you don't mind, I did some copy and paste from your mq4 and some other fudging and more or less got the cci into v14.2 inverse.

So v14.2inverse is now v15inverse.
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File Type: mq4 JIVA Dragon EA DSS T3MA MAs testv15inverse.mq4   41 KB | 273 downloads
File Type: mq4 MA_strength.mq4   2 KB | 301 downloads
  • #33
  • Edited 3:32am Dec 3, 2010 2:52am | Edited 3:32am
Quoting a_trader
i put ur rules in a candle indy so i could easily look back n see where a ea would trade

thought id share it
Nice tool... Thanks....

edit: did I say nice tool??
FANTASTIC!!!!.......................................................................................................................
more like it....
  • #34
  • Dec 3, 2010 3:08am Dec 3, 2010 3:08am
Quoting a_trader
if you need any help coding il help

here is the cci code you can ad to your entry rules

Inserted Code
&&iCCI(NULL,0,55,PRICE_CLOSE,1)<100
&&iCCI(NULL,0,55,PRICE_CLOSE,1)>-100
change the 1 to 0 to use the current bar
i assume your waiting on bar close though
so all ur indies should say 1
unless its a crossing
Thank you. Earlier today I managed to get the function coded by copy and paste from sidhujag's mq4. Not without a lot of effort. I learned a bit more about coding though...

Do you have any experience with normalizing an indicator?
If you have minute take a look at this indi. Taiyakixz put it together when we were trying to determine if there was trend or not. It's pretty sensitive but I think it would be more valuable if it were normalized over a range, like rsi or stoch. There's a way to do it mathematically. And probably a way to do it in mlq4.

Thanks for offering to help. I have no doubt we will be asking for it...
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  • #35
  • Dec 3, 2010 3:17am Dec 3, 2010 3:17am
Quoting diamonddbw
Hi Jiva. Thanks for sharing this trade with us.

Do you have itemized results? I have 3 trades, I've developed, and have entered most of the pertinent info into a database I've created. One of the things that this has really helped with is adjusting the stop loss. Each winner and loser (over 55 weeks) has a record of the number of pips that went against the trade. By averaging that number I can fine tune my stop.

This trade (looks to me) like it may be using an excessive stop. Of course I haven't the experience of working with 14.2, but I would...

Basically that is what we are looking for. This is not a trend catcher. It is for trading a sideways market.... Although sometimes it might catch a trend at the very beginning....

There a counter part strategy for trading a trend. It's just the reverse. Buy instead of sell on a signal, and sell instead of buy.
Confused enough yet???

The problem we are trying to solve is how to know when it is a trending market and when it is a sideways market. If we can discern that with some level of certainty then we will know which strategy to use. The Original or the Inverse. We hoped cci would gives us that edge.
  • #36
  • Dec 3, 2010 3:20am Dec 3, 2010 3:20am
Quoting whatfx
hi

how long have you been trading this ? and do you have results ?
This is part of a strategy we were developing for automation. We found terrific backtested data but the walk forward testing did not give acceptable results. So we are trading manually in demo to study the trades better.
  • #37
  • Dec 3, 2010 3:22am Dec 3, 2010 3:22am
Quoting kapybara
Hi,

I saw your setup and your entry is followed by next possible setup after swing and that one should be adjusted for TP as well (here you have less space for pips than in previous one)
Yup both good, if only they were all like these...
  • #38
  • Dec 3, 2010 4:39am Dec 3, 2010 4:39am
Quoting jiva34
This is part of a strategy we were developing for automation. We found terrific backtested data but the walk forward testing did not give acceptable results. So we are trading manually in demo to study the trades better.
Have you considered that automation may not be workable from the standpoint of broker intervention? Each year there is competition set up by one, or more of the brokers, in which they invite all ea manufacturers to participate for prizes.

Is this a conspiracy theory? Maybe, but I for one, do not trust these guys. mho
  • #39
  • Dec 3, 2010 8:05am Dec 3, 2010 8:05am
Quoting diamonddbw
Have you considered that automation may not be workable from the standpoint of broker intervention? Each year there is competition set up by one, or more of the brokers, in which they invite all ea manufacturers to participate for prizes.

Is this a conspiracy theory? Maybe, but I for one, do not trust these guys. mho
How can you be like that? snicker snicker
  • #40
  • Edited Dec 4, 2010 1:51am Dec 3, 2010 8:17am | Edited Dec 4, 2010 1:51am
Many thanks to a_trader for the super indicator which acts like a signal provider for the strategy... This makes it possible to very easily and without cluttering up the charts with tons of lines like a spaghetti dinner to see where the entries are.

This may solve the problem of discerning good entries from bad entries. Not all signals are good.
I have added the "hull".
When there is a signal to enter long, seen as a blue candle we would wait for a close above the hull.
When there is a signal to enter short we would wait for a close below the hull.
The chart stays clean and simple, ahhh... a dream come true....
I also like to follow wood pivot points for subjective. They are like magnets, lots of orders seem to be placed at the pivots...

So let's trade manually for a while and get it right.

We tried using pending pips for pending orders when the channel was breached, but the hull may be a much better idea.... it varies with market conditions... whereas pending pips is rigid and fixed...

These downloads are the only downloads you will need to follow the thread as it is presently. 12/3/10
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File Type: mq4 tc_candles_jiva.mq4   3 KB | 432 downloads
File Type: mq4 Robby DSS Bressert Colored with alert v1.1.mq4   4 KB | 503 downloads
File Type: mq4 HMA_Colorb.mq4   3 KB | 509 downloads
File Type: mq4 DailyWoodPivot.mq4   5 KB | 449 downloads
File Type: tpl inv15.tpl   4 KB | 300 downloads
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