The Element of Time in Trading

Don't be influenced by naysayers, what can be charted vertically can be charted horizontally........... actually all three x.y & z axis (however that's the topic of another thread.) Just like highs and lows share influence, swing points from the left share influence with those yet to made on the right on the time axis.


It's your job to find the link, and then develop a strategy to profit from it.

An exciting first few steps you've taken, but a long journey, don't give up.

Pikeliver,
Not sure where you are going with this but I will sit back and watch. You probably know that there are several professional naysayers on FF and you have attracted one, but keep going with your analysis. If you get far enough, I will add some of my thoughts. Good luck.

Hi Auxesis, I thought you would be attracted to this thread! Good to see you around.

GE,

Lol, Why you say that?

Been busy lately, hope your doing well.

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You are a diligent student of FX trading and this just looked interesting. Hope you are well.

Thanks for your input,i known its going to be a long journey,but after the first few steps it gets easier,

I known past pivots hold the key to the future,and adding pitchforks to harmonic patterns has improved my
trading greatly,i just have this feeling about Time

Pike

nay

NAY!!!!

you will probably find some way to make profit from this, but my understanding of market movements won't ever have anything to do with pyramids and bob's shovel indicator etc... nay :nerd:

time is interesting. but this...

@GE, I'm healthy and blessed, thanks for asking.

@Pike,

There are many different ways to approach Time/Price analysis. You seem to beheaded into the Elliot, Harmonic areas and coupling that with forks?

Median lines (aka pitchforks) are a powerful tool in themselves, which incorporate both time and price into their structure.

just trying to get a grasp of what area you're heading with your thread?

regards,

edit, lol, I just read your prior post and you answered my questions before I asked them.

He has only just started mate give him a chance. By the sounds of it he's still figuring it out to.

BTW theres nothing wrong with naysayers, they create debate and provoke thought... whats worse is people who just agree with everything they're told. Pull up a pue and join us on the bench!

There's a difference between open debate and trying to disrupt a thread. If you disagree state your case and move along as the thread has no more interest to you, but continued badgering and belittling is obnoxious, childlike and rude.

Just put the trolls on ignore don't reply and they will go away.

Pike to start, do you understand the relationship between fibfans and pitchforks?

Hi Auxesis,no i dont
before pitchforks i was just trying to trade harmonic pattern,then i added pitchforks
i see they point out into the future where price may run out of steam.
i then added a fib timeline and saw a gap in my learning,

aka this thread

Pike

Pike,

You may want to research into some basic Gann squaring techniques, just google time/price analysis and you'll get 10 years worth of reading, lol.

Fibfabs, DGL (dynamic gann lines) and speed lines, all base to T/P analysis, see the first part of this post http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...08&postcount=7

The approach Gann takes with lines (usually measured in halves, quarters thrids ect.) Can be taken with fib%'s Basically they take the approach that when price touches a line it is at a point where time and price are square. Being square is a common term in time analysis, when time and price are square you can expect price to change state, that could mean reverse, accelerate or stall.

Forks share into this by geometrically taking the 50% measure of both time and price of a swing (b to c) and drawing a line from the preceding swing point (a) and extending it through this point and time.

The difference between the two is a dynamic relationship between the past two swings instead of time and price being measured horizontally from the B-C. With the fork in essence you're taking a 50% fib retracement along a time path which gives a frequency that's carried throughout the move measured from all 3 points. Tis why we expect to see price react when it touches one of the median lines.

Forks carry a time element built into them, but looking externally for more time clues will make then deadly accurate when in conjunction.

fwiw...........

Edit, understand 50% is not a fib number, that will hold some keys in your learning.

The plot thickens,i known about measured moves in price,until now i have never considered measured moves in Time,

i would not be suprised if you can take the measured move in Time and find a ratio that fits other pivots

Congrats Pike.. you re onto something. and perhaps I can help...
if you ask traders to look at the chart and tell us what's moving.. they will all answer PRICE..is moving...
well in reality.. the only thing is moving forward is TIME and you better believe it. The passage of time is interesting to and not many explore cause the focus is always on price movement..... but Time can tell you the next ( PROBABLE) turn point

here is a tip... I learned while being trained....(can't disclose where I learned cause FF admin will kick me out)..

5 min chart and count swings top to bottom (bar Count) .. lets say we have 6 bars in count, and time is 10am... what you do with that.. 6 * 2.618 = 15.70 bars
round that up to 16 bars.. so in 16 bars the market will turn around......
now multiply 5min * 16 = 80min so in 80min and approx 16 bars. you have a turning point.., what would the 80min be in time.. well remember it was 10am when you took first bar count... so 10 am + 80 min... and you have .. do the math people... 11:20am..

this is one tip.. I have many to come..
Ok...
now what else can help in trading......... time.......
Price meeting Time....... powerful signal.... how you get price..
order flow .... I get price and time turn points..
how many pips???? it depnds on what time frame you are looking at..
one more important element in trading.. is understanding the monthly time frame..... most traders look at monthly in different way.. what I learned is that monthly time frames don't start 1st of the month and end 30th... it actually start the following monday after options expiry. Options expire on the
third friday of the month, that marks end of the month.. and the month starts MONDAY>>......
enjoy and good luck pike and all........

Auxesis
Great post,

thanks
Pike

Good idea to extract various ideas about time and discuss them in 1 place.

I`m subscribed !

The same tools like Median Lines, Forks & harmonic patterns have led me to these questions.

I try to keep it as simple as possible.

As Gann pointed out the basic forms are the triangle, the rectangle and the circle.

We should maybe measure the TIME, if we hypothetically assume that price travels from one end of these forms to the other.

Or lets say it this way..... look at the following form, and imagine a small ant ( = price ) walking along the lines of this triangle and its parts.

http://www.davis-inc.com/pythagor/index.shtml

Then we put this in to correlation.

Time spent from a to b to c
The degree of the angles involved.
Adding, multiplying or squaring all numbers as an experiment.

Just an idea......all the best and plse continue.



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michael

now things are cooking. please no more pictures of pyramids. that's like wanting to discuss musicians and posting a pic of bieber

full moon and new moon has it's merits.. check it out..
it's daily signals ...
intraday signals ....... calculate bars...

Darreed thanks
this feels like i am pushing an open door

Pike