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Quoting Magic Trader
I was in the free skype room and followed his trades....
I can vouch for this too.

One night. He said he made a trade and only his Aussie buds got the trade. It wasnt a PL but they claimed they all Took the trade. And it was like 6mins after the fact. SO I just thought the Skype delay was Shit that night, but honestly, I had a feeling that it was just Hype..
More fuel to the fire.
Quoting Magic Trader
I was in the free skype room and followed his trades. Many of the levels worked well but not near 98% of the time. The problem with his system is his money management. He advises averaging in to a losing trade after -20 pips. And with TP of 10-12 pips, it means that total risk/reward is 5-1 or 6-1.

It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that you have to win 85-90% just to break even on your trades. This is a losing proposition.

Also, I have seen him give out levels. And we have traded the levels and they have failed. Then later wiz came...
Hi, i remember you from wed's skype room, Didnt you give magic trader levels too? What happened? You dissapeared as fast as wed did
lol fxmechanic (aka wisdom)

first of all i am not frustrated about losing. i thought i would give it a go with wiz whilst i learnt how to trade for myself. that project failed miserably, not becuase of me but becuase of wisdom. i took his calls and trades and lost. so i got out.

so i went into his thread to post the results and he banned me! hmmmm strange dont you think?.....strange that he has banned EVERYBODY from his thread who has questioned the service? again hmmmm

im sure everybody reading this thread can see whats going on here.

my posts have only stated facts, i think thats whats makign you angry...isnt it? i dont need to get angry, to me its only money (and all good/decent people know there is more to life tha money)......but to you its your lively hood and scam that is getting exposed so you feel you have to come into this thread and try to put a twist onto it.......again i think anybody reading this thread can see whats going on here.

if your making so much money and are so happy why are you posting here? why not let all us "losers" waste our time?.....you can be out spending all the money your making......surely?

yes my first post was asking to learn from experienced traders....something i have been doing....and its going very well.......i dont see your point?...point is i only ever lost with wiz, from the other people im learning from im starting to do really well....and they have been kind enough to help me for free and spend time helping me for free.....good people are humble and they dont need to charge you anything....becuase they are already successful in forex.

i agree with bravestar that ever since you joined FF you have only ever posted in wisdoms thread? lol hmmmm really strange that.

by the way wiz, i mean fxmechanic, wed hasnt disapeared he is posting his levels for free everyday, with stop losses and take profit targets CLEARLY BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.

this is my take on things now:

your one and only subscriber, alter, is leaving the room after today. then you have nobody left LOL. you must really hate me, becuase i have posted all these facts, along with others in this thread, and your room is on the verge of closing down as NOBODY is paying anymore.........right?

im sorry

it didnt have to go this far, but you treated people like shit in that room, and many of your previous paying members were scared to question you in case you did what you always do....shout at them and make them feel like they were in the wrong not you.

unfortunatly for you im not scared and with the help of others have called you out as a fraud....

i dont think anybody in their right mind would even think about joining you now, so me and the other will keep this thread right at the top near your thread so if any newbie thinks of joining you.......they will always see this thread too.

hakuna matata, kinn, kinnar shah, wisdom.....you have ripped people off via pipsnippers once and you were getting away with it on your "wisdomfx" webiste too....

until you met me



good luck in life bro.

the game is up.
Quoting red2010

ok wisdom and his alias's really do take the piss.
Ur foolishness just gets me rolling on the floor lol, every time. First fxdanny is wiz? then fxmechanic? then me? who's next?

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so you dont use your own system fxranger?........but you use atr, pivots and break outs? lol that is your own system then you idiot.

Ok this just proves how horrible your trading must be ... what simple trader would not know what a pair's daily range is? And fyi, i DONT TRADE breakouts ... i just dont trade powerlevels NEAR breakout points, like for eg. few days of ranges. This is just pure basics for traders to play S/R levels. What you need to do is join babypips.com and learn simple forex basics!

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when are you going to understand the room is called "wisdoms power levels" and last month there was like 2 new power levels.......and all the rest were swing trades that lost time and time again.

so you didnt take the swings, well done, but if the guy your paying $250 a month for comes in the room for 30 mins (if that) per day and tells you "swing long 2% g/u at 1.xxxx price.........what the fcuk do you think his subscribers are going to do?.....wait all month for 2 power levels? (that arent 95% accurate) or take the swings with wisdom?......who...

Another reason to show how foolish you are ... the number 1 rule of PLs are dont trade them when they are exahusted ... the price has/was in a range for how long? Go see your charts instead of spending too much time on forums bickering. Now wiz has given us the option of trading older power levels, which i do with smaller % as you can see from my trades posted. Its not my problem that you dont understand information handed to you by him.

And so what if i dont trade swings; is that a problem now? Is it against the rules? If you pay a restaurant for a "all you can eat buffet" and only eat the food that YOU LIKE, is that a problem? Your aguments just dumbfound me.

And also fyi ... i have see lot of these swing trades that you are complaing about go into 20-40 pip profits before getting stopped out BE or -ve ... now why dont you book your profits then if you are really scared? I've seen this happen so many times with you guys ... even alter ... he knows what im talking about ..

As a matter of fact this "info" that he provides about swings are actually very valuable to me, since i scalp or take 7-10 pips off that directions (check BELOW for today's eg.) - this was not a PL trade. And dont even START that these are altered trades with photoshop or demo, etc ... Just because i dont swing, dont mean i dont trade!

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basically what your saying to alter in your last few lines is....."i have explained to you millions of times" that you shouldnt listen to everything wiz does and listen to me?

becuase if your more consistant than wiz (who isnt very consistant at all) then why doesnt everyone just follow what you do?.....your making more of a consistant % than wiz.....in the last 4 months for sure anyway.

why dont you start a room ranger?

also this line fxranger stood out for me:

"For some of us yes its a high end payment - but the great thing is, it...

LOL, if i start a trading room, Forexfactory will have another thread started quoting "$250 for FXRANGER - not worth it - i want FREE FREE FREE!"

Poor bastards like you are exactly why you should take advice from your accountant and stick to a real job than trading forex.. its not worth it for you - there you go "FREE ADVICE".

You seriously need to start spending more time on the charts than here... Infact in the last few days that you have started bickering, lets see how much money you've made? Lets get it out in the open - i've been sharing my trades .. lets see yours?

I dont need to waste my time here anymore ... nuff said.
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Fx ranger/wisdom or who ever your demo account statement isent worth shit....
StopLoss is for none belivers... Trust the Gurus..
Quoting fxmechanic
Hi, i remember you from wed's skype room, Didnt you give magic trader levels too? What happened? You dissapeared as fast as wed did
You must have been a lurker because I never saw you in there. Let's face it, levels are levels. I have an indi that draws levels better than "wiz." Heck, if someone just traded the MP, they'd do just as well as "wiz" and it wouldn't cost them $250 a month.

Here are the problems I have with you guys:
1) You're all from the same area of Australia and you're all touting "wiz" as amazing and legitimate.
2) You guys are the only ones supposedly making great money off his levels.
3) If you guys are doing so well and "wiz" is making these huge sums of cash, why do you keep the signal service open? You have one paying customer.
4) I have heard no one respond to red2010's accusation that his ID was stolen and used to boast of "wiz's" success.
5) The FF thread and the free skype room were all part of long-planned attempt to get the paid signal service filled with customers. The site was actually exposed by a poster on the thread.

Again, if I was making as much money as you guys say you are, the last thing I'd be doing is wasting my time on FF defending myself against a bunch of doubters.
Quoting lillelise
Fx ranger/wisdom or who ever your demo account statement isent worth shit....
laughable isnt it mate

his account history only shows him taking one trade this week....look at the scroll on the right hand side, there isnt any room to scroll any further up or down...

so he took one winning trade this week and thats it....hmmmmm

how hard is it to take both sides of e/u.....one long and one short?.....and then post the best results?
Quoting fx.ranger
... the number 1 rule of PLs are dont trade them when they are exahusted ...
Quoting fx.ranger
Now wiz has given us the option of trading older power levels, which i do with smaller % as you can see from my trades posted.
This is yet another reason people don't trust you guys. You say these two things with directly contradict one another. Yet it's all covered over through the guise of "trading with discretion."
Quoting Magic Trader
You must have been a lurker because I never saw you in there. Let's face it, levels are levels. I have an indi that draws levels better than "wiz." Heck, if someone just traded the MP, they'd do just as well as "wiz" and it wouldn't cost them $250 a month.

Here are the problems I have with you guys:
1) You're all from the same area of Australia and you're all touting "wiz" as amazing and legitimate.
2) You guys are the only ones supposedly making great money off his levels.
3) If you guys are doing so well and "wiz" is making these huge...
thats the thing mate, he cant reply about using my user name.becuase he knows he has been caught out.

i have proof in the fact that a guy with wiz (in his free room and his paid room) saw exactly what i was talking about....

its sad he had to sink to these levels to try and fool people in the room, that so many people were making money from his service. what a mind fuck, for traders losing money in the room. how low can you go....to allow people, losing money to start questioning themselves. and probably end up losing more money "trying" to trade the wisdom way.

wiz my annoyance is not with me losing money, money doesnt matter to me, im not a greedy person, and ive been around long enough to know there is more things to life than money.

its a shame you dont, and its a shame your prepared to rip people off and try to scam them out of there own hard earned cash for your own gains.

god is always watching bro.

remember to look left and right before you cross the road

Quoting Magic Trader
This is yet another reason people don't trust you guys. You say these two things with directly contradict one another. Yet it's all covered over through the guise of "trading with discretion."

took the words right out of my mouth, i was just comign to that!

"dont trade exhausted pl's".....but ranger your saying you trade old pl's which have been hit time and time again?...

lol wtf man

talk sense
fxranger you said this:

"Ur foolishness just gets me rolling on the floor lol, every time. First fxdanny is wiz? then fxmechanic? then me? who's next?"

well nobody? thats just our point, its you four guys, and there isnt nobody else posting anything good about wiz? lol

4 guys who are all from australia and all live in the same area as wiz, 3 of whom type alot like wiz........hmmmm

WHERE ARE THE OTHER SUCCESSFULL TRADERS FROM THE ROOM BRO?....why arent they coming out to defend wiz?? its just you 4 guys, everyday lol

ill tell you why they arent coming out, they dont exsist and you havent made accounts for them here on FF either.


also, wiz in 4 months of me being in the room never mentioned using the daily range ONCE.

i keep telling you im a newbie and a shit trader, i admit that.........thats why i went with wiz. get it yet?

fxranger said: "And also fyi ... i have see lot of these swing trades that you are complaing about go into 20-40 pip profits before getting stopped out BE or -ve"

erm no you didnt ranger, in the 4 months i was in there......not many of these swing trades went into profit at all!.......his entries are by far the worst ive ever seen in my time in forex. if they went +20 or +40.....why the fuck do you waste your time taking +10 off old power levels?......you should just take the swings and youd make even more........wouldnt you?

man your full of shit wiz.

i know this must hurt like crazy, getting found out always does.


"You seriously need to start spending more time on the charts than here... Infact in the last few days that you have started bickering, lets see how much money you've made? Lets get it out in the open - i've been sharing my trades .. lets see yours?"

erm what trades have you shared apart from the ones AFTER fact?

i havent been bickering its called replying, and its also called trying to help others save money from you "4" people. which we both know is working. howmany new subscribers you got this month so far?

i have posted my trades, check wisdoms thread, before he banned me, i posted all the trades i took with him and how many pips i lost.

i havent been trading at all this week and i wont trade with real money until im ready again.....

why? becuase i need to clear out the mind fuck created by wiz.

the one thing thats so obvious in your posts, from all 4 of you guys is this.....every post is about money...$$$.....thats the theme of everything you say "why do i care, i make $$$" in almost every post.

it shows your greed and that is the same greed most scammers have. its all about money for you lol


mate....ive learnt alot in life and ive learnt that money isnt that important. im happy trading for myself now, and learning from some of the best traders on FF, who help me each day for free. to me forex is a journey not a race.
Quoting red2010
laughable isnt it mate

his account history only shows him taking one trade this week....look at the scroll on the right hand side, there isnt any room to scroll any further up or down...

so he took one winning trade this week and thats it....hmmmmm

how hard is it to take both sides of e/u.....one long and one short?.....and then post the best results?

Lol @ 1 trade per week and lol @ scroll button .. you have nothing better to add do you? classic signs of bickering like an old woman. why do i have to prove myself everytime to you kents? Just for your pleasure here is my last 2 days worth of trades in just ONE broker ... unlike you broke kents, i have multiple brokers. You all still havent shown me your last few days of trading history .... lets see you do that?

@LILLELISE the fun manager .. lol ... you want my bank account number now? my broker login details?? ITS NEVER ENOUGH as ive mentioned before ... give a man a finger and they want the whole %^&% hand.

Its like talking to a wall, so the best thing to do is to let u all bicker and get off with each other. Ive got better things to do, and ive got nothing to proove. Good luck to you all, really.

Ciao.
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fxranger, lets see the whole console without the DEMO in top edge, also what broker are you using to verify the ID tickets.

lowest draw down possible please.
Quoting fx.ranger
Lol @ 1 trade per week
Ciao.
Link it to MYFXBOOK
This thread is a great entertainment. LMAO.

My take is that if someone is really so good in this field and purely wants to teach for interest, the best way to market it is to show his live account results or have a live trade session. Any marketing gimmicks beyond that, he is more of a business man or scammer, otherwise whats there to hide about?

If wisdom is really so good, he can just have a live trade session with his doubting students who paid for his services to prove his 100% accuracy and innocence, and his students will automatically flock here to defend him.

Obviously not. Its so obvious. I can go on and people who want to escape the realism of the hardwork required to succeed in this field, will still fall back to believe a scammer who can assure them they can do it overnight with some magic levels.
@LILLELISE the fun manager .. lol ... you want my bank account number now? my broker login details?? ITS NEVER ENOUGH as ive mentioned before ... give a man a finger and they want the whole %^&% hand.

Its like talking to a wall, so the best thing to do is to let u all bicker and get off with each other. Ive got better things to do, and ive got nothing to proove. Good luck to you all, really.

Ciao.[/quote]

LOL i dont want anything from you....its just a kind of intertaintment.. annoying you scammers.....too bad your not the only ones here on FF theres plenty of them all over...
...its seems its a profitable buisness to scam/con those newbies..
since they obviously cant spot your kind them selves..

.....its the same over and over again...always a kind hearted and unselfish person/guru/messiah who just wanna help....he begins a thread..and ofcourse right away he got his sheeps in position...prasing and so on..
just to trick newbies in the net....
...we always see one or 2 persons who kind of get a personal relasionship to the Messiah ,and post on his behalf... very often.
.....even the guru/Messiah is a kindhearted and helpfull man who just want you the best.....he realy never ever shows you how to do anything..
..its always floaty..if this happens you can maby do that or this...lol...

even it would be easy to prove that he is for real...they never do..
always lot of excuses that they dont need to..and so on...
....in all the scam attempts, with all the different kindhearted.helpfull..hardworking gurus/messiash...
its been the same pattern.....
..they never want to prove the only important thing..
...That the system or method realy works and makes profit..

anyway guys,,there is no holygrail other than hard work..and probalities,moneymanegtment and experince...
StopLoss is for none belivers... Trust the Gurus..
I am also thoroughly enjoying this. There are a lot of disgruntled WisdomFX/Hakuna Matata/Kinn clients on here and thats what the same 2 people who defend him fail to understand. I left the room, as many others did, as I was unhappy with the service. All these defenders keep doing is calling people out on their trading ability.

If these people were seriously making money with Wisdom why would they quit? If I wanted to go back to the room I could use girlfriend/friend/family's paypal and join. Why am I not doing that?? If I made sooo much money why am I not trying to get back in the room (For the record when I left I confronted Wisdom as about the last 10 swing trades he gave were losses) When I was in the room there were almost 40 people at one point. If this was truly as good as everyone says that should have tripled easily..but it didn't .. Now there are only 2 people (fxranger- check his posts .. 100% clearly a homosexual man in love with Wisdom, and fxmechanic- Check his posts , 100% Wisdoms other alias). So as others have said. If this was such an easy way to make money as everyone makes it out to be... WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE MAKING MONEY?????
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fxranger

nice of you to post this weeks results

but what about the last 3 weeks when almsot every trade wiz took was a loser? (or for that matter the 3 months before that)

people have been asking for proof of results for ages in this thread and even longer in wisdoms thread.

even fucking wiz might have 2-3 days or a week of winners, problems here is consistancy, quality of service and attitude of the owner.

when are you going to get that through to your head?

i give up now, ive said my bit.

i think my posts have made it clear where im coming from, any newbie or any person stupid enough to think about joning wiz, just read my posts and you'll know exactly why im unhappy with the whole thing.

also just to add, this has never been the "ranger, danny or mechanic" room has it?.....nobody ever paid to follow your trades, or your style or thinking....people paid to take the trades that wisdom called out.

and the fact that in the 4 months i was in the room NONE of you guys were ever really present until AFTER a trade happened or AFTER a power level OLD or NEW happened....does make me wonder alot about you.
just now Mr. Big Boss Wisdomfx get attention of what he should not do and what he should do to make his (service) countinue.

just now he post printscreen to show (deom money $$$ ) its really LATE.
and i can show you every day demo money more than what u show.

no need to printscreen , its late and we dont want you consern to this now its take time i know ( becase i do printscreen many time ) , what we want is somthing soo easy to do it , you know what ??
Just show the statment that make all what you said true , show us statment of all Sh*t u talk about from beganing your thread up to now .. if it is true all of us will close our mouth. BUT I KNOW U CAN'T DO THAT AT ALL becase u did not planed for that, you think nobody will ask about your statment.
Quoting ehrek
fxranger, lets see the whole console without the DEMO in top edge, also what broker are you using to verify the ID tickets.

Good luck getting a reply to that.... one needs balls to do that.
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