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  • #61
  • Nov 10, 2010 10:09pm Nov 10, 2010 10:09pm
Quoting Fudomyo
army mission journal.
haha - memories! that certainlly made me diciplined. Perhaps multi personaility disorder at the same time lol but it helped for sure.

cheers
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  • #62
  • Nov 10, 2010 11:01pm Nov 10, 2010 11:01pm
Quoting pip_seeker
I think the big thing is that you need to find the style that works for you. This market is the biggest in the world and can swallow you in an instant.

To give you an idea this market was estimated at around 1.9 Trillion a day in 2004 and is estimated at 4.5 Trillion to 5 Trillion a day now. There is no other market that even comes close to these kinds of figures.

Don't expect to learn it all in 30 days, let alone even 2 years. You are always learning something because the market is always changing. You either change with it or die trying....
Thanks Pip seeker,

Appreciate your comments, and the fact you bothered to respond.

I just wanted to share my expeirence so far, thats all.

My name is Learner, as the name suggests. Learning for me never stops in all facets of life. But learning to trade is far differant from seeking the holy grail of trading, or trying to out smart the big fish. I just trade the bounce, if its there its there, if its not I get stopped.

After blowing over 20 demo accounts ($10,000), prior to finally having the ability to double the account each month over consecutive months earlier this year, provided with the style of my trading, which I will develop as I progress.

As for strategy games LOVE 'EM, but no time for games any more!!!!


Anyway happy trading!!!!
  • #63
  • Nov 11, 2010 1:26am Nov 11, 2010 1:26am
I just take a look and ask myself what I think is going on, and whether I like it. The brain seems to handle the tricky stuff, so I don't bother asking for details.
  • #64
  • Nov 11, 2010 2:39am Nov 11, 2010 2:39am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Pip Seeker - IMo Craig is the most opposite to what you just suggested. I value your input in this thread and its fine to question motives as the snakes are def in the grass but I dont believe for a second Craig is one of them. Hes one of the most respected members here and the link he posted wasnt promoting anything.

yeah ok I may have over-reacted and I guess it was the tone of the response. People are people no matter where you go and I see it all the time from all the other boards I frequent as well. Of which the majority of posts like that lead to nothing productive.
  • #65
  • Nov 11, 2010 3:30am Nov 11, 2010 3:30am
Quoting Patience
Relax.

The market is what it is.
Best post in this thread/forum.
  • #66
  • Nov 11, 2010 4:09am Nov 11, 2010 4:09am
http://friendsoftheprogram.net/wp-co...its-a-trap.jpg
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #67
  • Edited 5:06am Nov 11, 2010 4:49am | Edited 5:06am
Quoting nubcake
http://friendsoftheprogram.net/wp-co...its-a-trap.jpg
Care to elaborate Nubcake?
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  • #68
  • Nov 11, 2010 5:18am Nov 11, 2010 5:18am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Care to elaborate Nubcake?
There be traps everywhere. Price movement, women, society etc.
  • #69
  • Nov 11, 2010 5:24am Nov 11, 2010 5:24am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Care to elaborate Nubcake?
was following-on from the post before me

though, a big part of me right now feels that perhaps the banks are all just playing pass the parcel with their finds to make movement that entices us little guys to drop coin into their silly little game which they simply consume and grow with while we get spat out.

but, that's just the cynic and conspiracy theorist coming-out. if i was making coin i might have a different idea. hell, tomorrow i might feel different again.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #70
  • Nov 11, 2010 5:29am Nov 11, 2010 5:29am
Quoting Mr J
There be traps everywhere. Price movement, women, society etc.
HAHA its easy to speak in riddles but in an honesty thread Im just not buying it!'

Im sick of the metaphores and airy fairy disucssions that go on here. But at the same time I take part in them myself and understand that soetimes thats all that one wants to offer a stranger and thats cool with me

I learned something this week... If you're not honest with those around you then chances are, you're not being honest with yourself. In other words,,,,,, it may just be that in one way or another you're fooling yourself.

"those around you"? yes FF are full of strangers... The member I have close contact with dont even post here but to be honest, I come here because its a room full of people just like me. Traders! Only we can relate to tis thing we spend so much time on...

In my real life no one can relate to this trading thing and so I guess FF is like the friends and family I dont have. Sounds very gay lol but thats what it is homie!

Im sure im not the only one - These user names are real people just like that sell off on the EUR was caused by REAL people
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  • #71
  • Nov 11, 2010 5:35am Nov 11, 2010 5:35am
Quoting nubcake
was following-on from the post before me

though, a big part of me right now feels that perhaps the banks are all just playing pass the parcel with their finds to make movement that entices us little guys to drop coin into their silly little game which they simply consume and grow with while we get spat out.

but, that's just the cynic and conspiracy theorist coming-out. if i was making coin i might have a different idea. hell, tomorrow i might feel different again.
I hear ya. But if you think of it this way.... Every losing trade youve taken if you were just on the other side of it then it would have been profitable no?

So the fact is this is possible

1) no ones forcing you to trade where and when and how you did

2) There are little guys that DO make money in this game we call trading

3) there is no way they can take every cent f the little guys but collectively sure why wuldnt they try and dupe us. This doesnt have to be an obstacle, it can be a realisation. All you need to do is think like the predators and try and act when they do.

4) No one ever said it was easy... And why would it be? Fact is people NEED to lose for others to win all we have to do is learn to not be one of them. Easier said than done of course but with dedication yes it is possible.
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  • #72
  • Nov 11, 2010 5:37am Nov 11, 2010 5:37am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Sounds very gay lol but thats what it is homie
... hold me!
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #73
  • Edited 6:29am Nov 11, 2010 5:44am | Edited 6:29am
Quoting nubcake
... hold me!


If I were one of you guys listening to this shit I would prob post

"Cindyxxxx you talk and talk and talk but Ive never seen you post a live chart... You're a fking hypocryte and you know no better than the rest of us"

and to that I would say

"shit, you're fking right" and then I would realise that the market speaks no language but supply and demand...Takes many forms, and uh... who am I talking to really? and now Im just talking again...

Whatever

What Patience said.
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  • #74
  • Nov 11, 2010 6:09am Nov 11, 2010 6:09am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Trading is hard,,, very hard but in a way, as hard as we make it...

At some point we need to accept that we just dont know for sure and all we can do is take advantage of some sort of justified edge but really..

Does anyone ever feel sorta stupid calling themselves a player in this financial game when all we can do really is look at some chart and make an "educated" guess as to what might happen next... I know I do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I want to know something others dont, in fact I NEED to in order to call my self a trader.


I am at a really...
u r right 'bout 1 thing... forex is harder then u think.. honestly I do feel like that... everyone that join FX must have and will have a sad moment...
most spells victory...least spells defeat... none, surer defeat...
to counter it.. u must know who was ur real opponent... its ur market maker and u...
acctually we all have a same market maker...
so.. if u want to succeed in this arena u must 1st know how our market maker make a move.... when they r going to make a move... and why they make a move....
U CANNOT DEFEAT A MARKET MAKER.... remember that....this is a lesson that is not being teach in any class/seminar/webinar or a metalica concert...
so.. how u and I going to make profit from FX?


that is after u master what the 1st thing u got to know....
  • #75
  • Edited 7:03am Nov 11, 2010 6:31am | Edited 7:03am
CindyXXXX,

I'm relatively new to this forum, but you sound like a smart guy with passion and potential. I like it when people share their experiences, both good or bad.

I do however think that you're wasting too much time with this. Listen to Patience, she said the deepest, wisest, and most straightforward thing here. The market is what it is. It's a highly liquid, highly efficient market with characteristics of a natural/dynamic/chaotic system and a great deal of randomness. It won't care what you think, how you're feeling, or what your trading performance is.

Embrace that and have fun. Life would be lame without challenges, and dealing with uncertainty is one of humanity's biggest challenges in this amazing universe.
  • #76
  • Edited 7:23am Nov 11, 2010 6:43am | Edited 7:23am
Quoting Marv
CindyXXXX,

I'm relatively new to this forum, but you sound like a smart guy with passion and potential. I like it when people share their experiences, both good or bad.

I do however think that you're wasting too much time with this. Listen to Patience, he said the deepest, wisest, and most straightforward thing here. The market is what it is. It's a highly liquid, highly efficient market with characteristics of a natural/dynamic/chaotic system and a great deal of randomness. It won't care what you think, how you're feeling, or what your...
Marv... I like your style (Patience is a "she" BTW)

I used to not care but being involved with this plce practically everyday for quite some time now you cant help but notice certain things...

I agree 100% and know full well what you're saying, but here I am bored and I want to provoke some different discussion to whats rehashed upon everyday.

Its a hard task, but to be honest I dont care the market is what it is and I am what I am...

If I wanna put $2 in the machine Im just gonna go ahead and do it.

So whats the point of the forum then?

"the market is what it is" Thaks people tats enough - no need to waste your breah cause "the market is what it is"

Go find a trading system in the tradingsystems thread and spin that wheel///

Nah... I see too much BS to sit back and not try something new every now and then...

I want to hear and feel the pepoel behind this stuff ... the people that can relate to my journey and sometimes you just gotta force it out

I want to hear it. And I do every now and then but seriously sometimes this place is like tinitus and its very hard to listen to, it goes round and round like the sun

I dont want to read the fairy tales and believe in the frog marrying the princess I want to know the truth... And if I have to squeeze it out I will.

M8 Ive been the subtle one for long time but its grown stale I need to push myslef further and if this is what it takes then this is what I'll do...

Your thoughts matter to me, and no it wont affect my trading strategy, if ny here tells me to jump I will never ask "how high?"

But every now and then I need to touch base with reality, hope it helped you

But Marv I do like your posts
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  • #77
  • Nov 11, 2010 6:54am Nov 11, 2010 6:54am
There's a good lad!! Random!!

But why is dealing with uncertainty a challenge? You just wait and it will go either up or down. It always does.

Quoting Marv
It's a highly liquid, highly efficient market with characteristics of a natural/dynamic/chaotic system and a great deal of randomness.

... dealing with uncertainty is one of humanity's biggest challenges in this amazing universe.
forget about tomorrow, just steal away into the night
  • #78
  • Nov 11, 2010 6:55am Nov 11, 2010 6:55am
TF H4 and above is where u look a momentum of bullish/bearish...
TF M30 and below is where u follow a momentum...
if at higher TF said its going to bullish... what ever that going bullish at lower TF just follow it.. if at lower TF going bearish while at higher TF still bullish.. u stop the trade... just follow bullish one...

do the trade carefully.. coz this is where a market maker going to make a move......they will give u a wrong signal in lower TF... always.... dont trade when the news hits.... coz a pro dont trade with a news.... news is for guide only... this is when a market maker make a move... why?
coz they know... some news will make a bullish momentum changin into bearish.... dont false into that one... step a side...
  • #79
  • Nov 11, 2010 7:01am Nov 11, 2010 7:01am
Good reply Cindy. Keep one thing in mind though:

"Those who say, know not. Those who know, say not." -Lao Tzu (most of the time anyway)

And good luck with your journey.

Quoting CindyXXXX
(Patience is a "she" BTW)
Ah, my bad. I will amend my post.

Quoting spekitox
But why is dealing with uncertainty a challenge? You just wait and it will go either up or down. It always does.
haha, indeed (if you want to put it that simply).
  • #80
  • Nov 11, 2010 8:21am Nov 11, 2010 8:21am
Quoting Fudomyo

Since you clumped all the posts in this thread as horseshit I wanted to respond to you.

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Think he was just refering to the general concensus on the whole forum as in: "If you want answers dont waste your time here" sorta thing. I doubt he even read through the thread understandably... Thats how I interpreted it anyways... I may be wrong
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