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  • #781
  • Sep 27, 2010 6:19pm Sep 27, 2010 6:19pm
i will leave this thread with this. recieved on friday after posting the euro trade.

i have hundreds upon hundreds of these. they are what remind me over and over that what i do is not about me. no one ever has to pay me a dime for my help. EVER

those of you that are mean for just the sake of meaness need to understand that your life will never be a happy one until or if you show kindness and love to even those that treat you poorly.

much less people like me that have done nothing to you other than try to help...and for free none the less.

i post this for 2 reasons on my way out.

1. to give just one person reason for hope in this business.

2. this guy said i could. he gave permission for his username to be posted.


Hi Jim,
You may not remember me... It's Bob8662. I've been part of the group for about five years. When I first started with you back at Forex Factory before the PF and website I wrote you and said I had a dream of one day being free and trading full time. Well this September that dream became a reality. I've paid off all my debt and have begun to trade full time. I owe a lot to you and the senior members of the James16 group. Years of late nights and weekends studying this stuff but it's finally paid off big time. A master's degree and great career working with kids but I never had time for my own family. Well, now I have that time. I'm almost 50 years old but I'm finally free. Free to be with my family and take care of my elderly mother. I cannot thank you enough for all you have done to help me turn into a professional trader. Many of your "ramblings" as you would call them about integrity and wanting to see others succeed gave me the much needed hope and security to feel I could succeed in currency trading. Your email today just reminded me that the same trade you were talking about is a trade I took as well and I just felt I should take a moment and write you and let you know it's working for me. Attached is a screenshot of that EUR trade from my account. My trade system uses a variation of your base system with support and resistance and I have very strict entry and exit rules. As you can see I am $1600 profit on this trade so far. I typically trade 1 or 2 standard lots. This trade was with 1 standard lot. I hope one day that I will be able to meet you face to face so I can shake your hand and tell you how much I appreciate what you have done for me!
Sincerely,
Bob8662
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  • #782
  • Edited 11:40pm Sep 27, 2010 6:49pm | Edited 11:40pm
Quoting ak4x
Oh well... He'll be easier to spot next time a'rd anyway... software or not.
Twee... Do the math on these guys exact membership times and I expect you'll see a nice correlation between suspension times and membership apps.

First there's this guy... j16isafraud... get's himself suspended almost instantly based (I guess) on his username alone ((hey it weren't me!!)) I mean... it sure wasn't for any rule violations in his First post at FF.. "...things should get more active in the London session..."!! Ya think?

Not real brilliant but not worthy of an Urgent Action tag either, but one does have to get past the post delay for new members somewhow...

Then I just screenshot this recently banned thx1139 pervert under yet ANOTHER username of macgruber looking to go Round Two with me... it's a copy of my own Profile page which for some weird reason he decided to copy to his own as a brand new registered member just a few minutes ago.

ADDED LATER: thx1139 has since copied it to HIS profile as well... I always heard imitation was the greatest form of Flattery but who knew?

Compare this screen shot to my profile and then this psycho's fixation with "macgruber" in replies to me and supreme in these posts... So far those are the ONLY TWO hits on all of FF for that term... all in two days time..
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...er#post4049396

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...er#post4050442


Yo macgruber / thx1139 / pip_daddy /whoever you are next... Bring it!!...

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN POSTED YET!!! AND YOU'RE ALREADY BUSTED.

Btw Moron... you mispelled "Jack" of all trades on "Occupation"... it has a "J" in it, which stands for Jacka$$ in your case. That "copy" stuff is harder than it looks...

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Twee... I know you told me to stay the hell out of this miserable commercial section, and that was some of the best advice I ever got anywhere... I'm taking it as of now and leaving this mess in your capable hands. You were right.

This place is a Black Hole that sucks you In and Down down to the level of the Sewer Scum that are propagating here faster than they can be exterminated. As always... I wish you guys well and will support you anyway I can.

The closest I'll (likely) get to the Commercial Section from now on is lurking on the J16 thread which is STILL in a Class by itself... End of story.
FUBAR...
  • #783
  • Sep 27, 2010 6:49pm Sep 27, 2010 6:49pm
Quoting james16
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I'll just state the obvious here...

I couldn't help but notice J16 is using an MT4 broker. Why not just post the performance data to myfxbook? It's simple & can put to rest any criticism by trolling members. Me personally, I don't really care to see the performance numbers but I don't see why it would be an issue. Some people have said that those numbers can be faked... perhaps, but not easily.. Not without a fair amount of effort.

And I'll do a +1 to cliffedward's post HERE. As a general policy, audited results would be best for anyone getting involved with a commercial member. I wouldn't limit it to 500-trade minimum... I'd say you set a # of years minimum. Perhaps minimum 2yrs of data? Maybe 5yrs for a different level of legitimacy. (i.e. different levels of commercial members).

But at the end of the day, I don't get all the vitriol - If people want to pay for mentorship from a guy on the internet, it's a free country. If James16 doesn't want to share his performance numbers, it's a free country. But, I'll say this (with no disrespect intended) if I had a long-term track record that would cast me in a positive light, what is the harm in showing it (especially when it takes about 5mins to set up a myfxbook account)?

As a side note: It's a bit strange that J16 would say he's "taking over the thread" about 16hrs ago only to say that he's had it with this thread about 1hr ago...

PS - whoever was pushing Ayn Rand in the thread...newsflash -- She sucks! If you haven't watched this from Stephen Colbert, do yourself a favor:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...-rand-illusion
  • #784
  • Sep 27, 2010 7:07pm Sep 27, 2010 7:07pm
Quoting M.A.C.Doug
the following trades were called by me 8 hours in advance in this thread. Does that satisfy you?

It's all S/R learned from James for free in the j16 thread at FF. Most people lose and I am yet to recover the losses I took while still learning so I am still net unprofitable but I know it is possible, I have demonstrated it undeniably here today, outperforming James himself with his own techniques. I only wish I had joined the group when I started and did only what they instructed. Instead I did it the hard way and lost more money in my first three...

Great post M.A.C.
Indicators show the past. Price Action "Indicates" the future.
  • #785
  • Sep 27, 2010 7:10pm Sep 27, 2010 7:10pm
It takes guts to create something worthwhile and help a lot of people like Jim did, it takes guts doing that knowing you will get criticized, insulted and attacked by people you don’t even know. It’s much easier to do nothing, just go out there and start throwing shit and criticize those who do and try to bring them down to your level, so you can feel important and so you don’t have to deal with the fact that you have no guts and can’t do something relevant by yourself.

Jim, most people know all the good you did and do and the ripple effect of those actions will never be really known, but they will improve the life of people for a lot of years to come.

Mat

PS: call the FBI?.... Give me a effing break!!! LMAO
  • #786
  • Sep 27, 2010 7:20pm Sep 27, 2010 7:20pm
This hole thread should be binned it is meaningless and only an attack on a member(respect your fellow member), correct me if I´m wrong but FF is a public forum and not a "found your fx guru and signal provider" site. We(members) should be here to share thoughts about the market and if someone can make profit based on ideas he/she has read here so be it. Damm what the hell is going on? So many contributors have left because of this kind of threads...

I suggest all members interested on keepping FF clean to avoid this kind of threads, just report them without even posting.

I really don´t know whatelse to do...I want the good FF back.

Ak4x: Hat off buddie! you make a helluvajob here..
  • #787
  • Sep 27, 2010 7:34pm Sep 27, 2010 7:34pm
Quoting InfinitySL
I'll just state the obvious here...

I couldn't help but notice J16 is using an MT4 broker. Why not just post the performance data to myfxbook? It's simple & can put to rest any criticism by trolling members.
Pretty sure Jim uses TS for the majority of his trading. At least, he does in all his videos that I've watched.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Dont talk.
  • #788
  • Sep 27, 2010 9:28pm Sep 27, 2010 9:28pm
Quoting InfinitySL
I'll just state the obvious here...
.... Why not just post the performance data to myfxbook?....
i'll reiterate,
Razzle has mentioned before that he knows one who 'does' it
Quoting Razzle
I hate to burst your bubble, but he's right. Faking statements on myfxbook (or any other of the similar sites) really is childs play.
Grab a statment, edit the HTML, then upload it using a standard FTP package. It's laughably simple, I know at least one well established vendor who regularly does it ....
either that or use editing software to make it look legit/professional

also, personally, i wont show my trading/bank statement even to my relatives (even if they concede/apologize, 'go down on their knees' or kilX themselves). what more to INTERNET people??????!
think about that.
  • #789
  • Sep 27, 2010 10:17pm Sep 27, 2010 10:17pm
Quoting supremeChaos
i'll reiterate,
Razzle has mentioned before that he knows one who 'does' it

either that or use editing software to make it look legit/professional
That doesn't stand up to scrutiny...

I don't think it's as simple to forge statements as you or razzle makes it seem. See attached:
First off, there are ways for it to verify what is being uploaded:
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Secondly, it's being published via FTP at set iterations. In my case, it's every 5 minutes (as seen below). So you're saying he is sophisticated enough to fake the statements every 5 mins? or every 30?
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As for this point...

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also, personally, i wont show my trading/bank statement even to my relatives (even if they concede/apologize, 'go down on their knees' or kilX themselves). what more to INTERNET people??????!
think about that.
You can hide your balance. You can hide lot sizes. You can hide pending orders. Indeed, you can hide any and all information from the public. (and indeed, your relatives...wouldn't want them to kilx themselves)

But the larger point is that just because it can be forged, does that mean it will be? Are you suggesting james is the type who would do such a thing? Or are you just saying because it can be forged that all the doubters will say that the results aren't real? Perhaps you're right... So by that logic, just because Bernie Madoff existed, the thousands of other mutual funds in the world or other investment services shouldn't publish their results or stand up to any scrutiny because of the possibility they might be dishonest?

As I said, I don't care about his performance -- I have my own to worry about, but I do find it funny that everyone is coming up with new and inventive reasons he shouldn't bother to show his performance.
  • #790
  • Sep 27, 2010 11:21pm Sep 27, 2010 11:21pm
i am speaking my mind, not for anyone else. i assume u are too.

Quoting InfinitySL
That doesn't stand up to scrutiny...
I don't think it's as simple to forge statements as you or razzle makes it seem.
...
well, that's tantamount to saying Razzle is a liar.
i cant enumerate them, but i know there are technical loopholes everywhere.
i take people's word with caution, but at the same time in good faith.
i think most people here see/look at things in a negative light upfront.

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You can hide your balance. You can hide lot sizes. You can hide pending orders....
go through ALL that just to prove oneself to an accuser, or 100/1,000/10,000 strangers maligning me on the web?
that's ludicrously impractical....
too much hassle. time is precious.
too laborious, for what reward....to prove im innocent?
if people maligned u upfront, what makes u think they wont continue to do so even after u establish yourself as legit/innocent?
when people have their minds made up, it's not easy to turn things around..... UNLESS they are sincere, humble & open-minded.

i dont care or know about Bernie Madoff's filthy escapades.
what i know is it's risky to not take responsibility of one's money &financial future.
btw, i think you had a faulty logic since u are comparing a man 'innocent until found guilty' from an already proven guilty man. it's apples to oranges, IMHO.
when u make logical comparisons, the subjects should almost be nearly similar.
a good logical post (among a few others here) is made by moneymaker2 (mainly the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs)

most people here should stay vigilant, but get more positive & proactive.
if u keep looking at things in a negative light, then u will fail to see a brighter world (& u will live a life more in misery - LOOK IN THE MIRROR!). quite similar to the saying 'count your blessings'
  • #791
  • Sep 27, 2010 11:28pm Sep 27, 2010 11:28pm
Quoting InfinitySL
I'll just state the obvious here...

I couldn't help but notice J16 is using an MT4 broker. Why not just post the performance data to myfxbook? It's simple & can put to rest any criticism by trolling members.

the obvious statement is that James16 primary income is from his monthly subscriptions to his private forum. Does that make him a fraud? i dont think so. Can he trade? well i am not sure, there is no proof. Does he teach a method that is can be profitable if applied consitently over a long period of time? Yes.
Everyone, after a while, can spot pin bars and plot S&R zones, and post a chart, however that doesn't mean they are succesful - even if they have merlin head attached to there body
Its the long term real time execution and the long term discipline and money manangement of a persons account over a long period of time that will seperate out the winner. Is Jim16 the successful winner in forex, i dont know and with the information he has provided, i dont think so. Does he have a valid system that one can achieve success if managed properly....yes i think so if that is the way YOU like to trade.

Simple facts until proven otherwise is Jim makes more money than you me and everyone on this forum from his monthly subscriptions and therefore that is his primary source of income and it is simple to accept.
  • #792
  • Sep 27, 2010 11:42pm Sep 27, 2010 11:42pm
Quoting supremeChaos
well, that's tantamount to saying Razzle is a liar.
I didn't call anyone a liar. I said it's hard to forge statements through myfxbook.

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i take people's word with caution, but at the same time in good faith.
i think most people here see/look at things in a negative light upfront.
OK...good for you

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go through ALL that just to prove oneself
Yes... this is clicking 3 buttons on a website once (and only once).

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just to prove oneself to an accuser, or 100/1,000/10,000 strangers maligning me on the web?
his business is presenting himself to *strangers* on the web! lol. It's the business he's in. Sorry. If he were a builder, he could point to houses he's built. If he were a lawyer, he could point to cases that he's won. Unfortunately he's a trader (at least I think he is), so.....what should he point to? Yes that's right -- a track record.

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too much hassle. time is precious.
too laborious, for what reward....to prove im innocent?
Takes 5 minutes to set up with MT4. Takes about 1 minute with Oanda (copy/paste your "account history" unique URL into the site and they do all the processing).

Also, you keep saying "I'm" -- this isn't about YOU - you are not running a commercial service...

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if people maligned u upfront, what makes u think they wont continue to do so even after u establish yourself as legit/innocent?
when people have their minds made up, it's not easy to turn things around..... UNLESS they are sincere, humble & open-minded.
That may be the case, as I said in my last post. But it certainly wouldn't hurt his credibility.

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what i know is it's risky to not take responsibility of one's money &financial future.
We agree. That's why if I was going to hire someone, I would want to know if he was good at what he did. Due diligence.

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btw, i think you had a faulty logic since u are comparing a man 'innocent until found guilty' from an already proven guilty man. it's apples to oranges, IMHO.
Not really. You are arguing that it's useless for him to post a track record because there is a possibility it could be fraudulent / faked. I'm saying that any track record could be fraudulent but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ask for them. Madoff's was fraudulent, but that doesn't mean EVERY money manager's track record is a fraud.

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if u keep looking at things in a negative light, then u will fail to see a brighter world (& u will live a life more in misery - LOOK IN THE MIRROR!). quite similar to the saying 'count your blessings'
Thanks for the self-help advice. I'll be sure to take that under advisement...
  • #793
  • Sep 27, 2010 11:45pm Sep 27, 2010 11:45pm
Quoting travpip
Is Jim16 the successful winner in forex, i dont know and with the information he has provided, i dont think so. Does he have a valid system that one can achieve success if managed properly....yes i think so if that is the way YOU like to trade.

Simple facts until proven otherwise is Jim makes more money than you me and everyone on this forum from his monthly subscriptions and therefore that is his primary source of income and it is simple to accept.
I agree completely.
  • #794
  • Sep 27, 2010 11:52pm Sep 27, 2010 11:52pm
Quoting supremeChaos

go through ALL that just to prove oneself to an accuser
it really wouldn't require much effort. About the same effort as posting a pin bar chart or setting up a subscription forum - i am sure he could handle it.

the thing is, If he is passing himeslf off as being a succesful trader, and on that basis has created a paid subscription forum, then surely it is eveyones repsonibility to do there "due diligence" as they say, to check that this is in fact correct. And the only way to do this in forex is to provide statement summaries.
Claims from J16 groupies of, "look how it works, this is a J16 trade", doesn't cut it as far as i am concerned as there is much more to succes than that.
Posting a weekly account summary to show someones equity growth over time would be a simple way to prove your credibility - surely that is of importance to him - I guess it isnt though when you have so many J16 groupies doing his dirty work and defending his honour.
I wont be suprised when he packs up and moves off, but as long as the 100+++people continue to pump $129 dollars into his account each month unchallenged then i am sure he wont be going anywhere too fast -
i am sure he will simply say to himself, what am i doing wrong, this forum was established by popular demand and here is a pin bar in S+R zone i took this morning....cheers
a nice $15,000 a month for that!!!!!
  • #795
  • Sep 28, 2010 12:24am Sep 28, 2010 12:24am
Quoting InfinitySL
I didn't call anyone a liar. I said it's hard to forge statements through myfxbook.
LOL. re-read what i said. i did not say u called him a liar. i said what u said, in plain words, is equivalent to saying that he is.
Quoting InfinitySL
That doesn't stand up to scrutiny...
I don't think it's as simple to forge statements as you or razzle makes it seem....
like i said, he has a direct information about it.
if Razzle lied, u win. & im too kind, gullible & dumb.

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Yes... this is clicking 3 buttons on a website once (and only once).
that's highly immaterial to me.
even if it takes 1 NANOSECOND. i wont do it.
give me an equivalent reward to the challenge (to post a statement), come up with some i feel is worthy, then i'll probably do it. remember even if the accusers kneel down or kill themselves, i wont do it.

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his business is presenting himself to *strangers* on the web! lol. It's the business he's in. Sorry.
another faulty logic.
is forex some thing tangible?? a house is.
forex is virtual. even a myfxbook statement is virtual. knowledge is intangible.
when u buy a book, do u always look for track record before u buy? u can only rely on testimonials. even then, u might/might not appreciate the book's content.
is James16's business goal to get every human on earth as clients? no.
so why should he prove himself to everyone here?
if u want to partake of the knowledge he offers, go join for a month. if u dont like it, unsubscribe A.S.A.P. as simple as that. is that hard?
if u have a complaint about his paid group, i humbly suggest u go & prosecute him. dont persecute him for your entertainment.
dont keep yappin here on public fora, be a man & do some manly action.
i dont have my money with him. Please go do it now.
Dont expect Twee & others to jail him. if u feel u are doing humanity good, go call the police, SEC. just shoot, dont talk.
like i said we can only do so much to forewarn people about scams. dont go on a maligning spree simply because u can do it here freely.

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Also, you keep saying "I'm" -- this isn't about YOU -....
i put things in perspective.
i try to put myself on other people's shoes.
MANY people dont do that these days.

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That's why if I was going to hire someone, I would want to know if he was good at what he did. Due diligence.
so u are one of those sitting on the fence, wanting to join his group??
Yes or no?
btw, u are not hiring james, u are just partaking of the private forum. there is a difference. u would be hiring him if u let him manage your money.

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Thanks for the self-help advice. I'll be sure to take that under advisement...
if that was sincere, u are welcome.

do due diligence the correct way. dont do it while maligning & demanding too much from others.

obviously u (&others) have your mind/s made up about the issue.
So i'll rest my case.
  • #796
  • Sep 28, 2010 12:33am Sep 28, 2010 12:33am
Quoting travpip
it really wouldn't require much effort...
i have made redundant posts that address your concerns. like below

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it really wouldn't require much effort
even 1 nanosecond.... if im a legit commercial guy, i wont waste my time to partake in the circus.


i frequent the Free thread. i never am a J16 PF member.
if u have evidences to prove that james16 is BS, put it forward.
if u have evidence that his method is BS, present a good method to us.
anybody, NOW.
if u present valid evidences, i wont sit on the fence. i'll take your side & make numerous forewarnings to people.
if u dont/cant.. make your voices heard, do it in a civil way, without maligning others.
that's my case.
  • #797
  • Edited 6:32am Sep 28, 2010 2:28am | Edited 6:32am
Quoting Mr Smith
Nice trading there, really nice.
Quoting jarroo
Great post M.A.C. http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s...m/thumbsup.gif

Thankyou for the comments Mr Smith and Jaroo. I dont post anywhere near as much as I used to. I used to be a one man crusade against b/s in the forum but I am happy to let people say whatever they want these days no matter how ridiculous. Occasionally, I feel the need to take a stand.
Looks like we are done here to me. All the best to everyone, especially the accusers here, who trade without hope.
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  • #798
  • Sep 28, 2010 5:39am Sep 28, 2010 5:39am
Love the free gift link MAC Doug
  • #799
  • Sep 28, 2010 6:29am Sep 28, 2010 6:29am
Quoting tjuhn
Love the free gift link MAC Doug
almost everything you need for profitability is in that post, learn this, especially the pivot point/s/r confluence part, apply risk management and your good to go.
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  • #800
  • Sep 28, 2010 6:49am Sep 28, 2010 6:49am
Quoting tjuhn
Love the free gift link MAC Doug
Hmm wow good first post.. lol
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