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  • #18,661
  • Sep 4, 2010 7:37pm Sep 4, 2010 7:37pm
Quoting M-H Trader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA97P5D-y7M
I don't get the point?
what's the purpose of posing this foul mouth on the thread?
and this post is in response to?
  • #18,662
  • Edited 8:55pm Sep 4, 2010 7:48pm | Edited 8:55pm
Quoting indianguyinny24
CHief,

i had to chip in when u bought this clip....reason this guy was recently implicated for the SEX SCANDAL ... you can google "nityananda swami scandal" and you will get the result..

Why i say as coming from India and the Book he is preaching is the oldest testament and seen many so called EXPERTS preaching great thing but gone this way or other...

i learnt .....

"What is...it is and what will be ...will be "...

so i just enjoy

V
Hi vic,
I see.
It is noted and taken into advisement.
But i hope you will not judge the message and the b.gita based on this man's weakness in character.
This clip was not intended to promote the person but that i was trying make the point to people who were trying to ask for the instant enlightment on trading skills ( the summary people) and also in highlighting to some member's lack of ability to study and their lack of the time resource.
However I do agree that he would be a bad presenter of the point i was trying to make, after learning of his character.

1 Lesson I would like to highlight is, Do not judge God base on man's work. And this would be good example.

regards
  • #18,663
  • Edited 9:19pm Sep 4, 2010 8:09pm | Edited 9:19pm
Quoting AllanS
One thing I've learned from trading is that we see patterns everywhere, even where there are no patterns. The trick is to distinguish true from false.

Some people see conspiratorial secrets everywhere. I conclude they are not well kept secrets. These people are also free to reveal them to the world, in which case, they are not well guarded secrets. (My aunt was involved in the Manhattan project. No one was free to babble about that in the streets.)

St Paul said, "Our struggle isn't against flesh and blood, but...
I really don't get the point.
You are the second person posting about conspiracy theory.
I really cannot help you chaps with your, quickness to jump to conclusions and stance.
Maybe thats why you people see patterns that is not on the charts. Thats because your minds are already closed.Before you even think. You already bias and taken sides.

There's so much lessons on those clips, about understanding, deceptions, and inabilities to see beyond the deceptions due to being caught up with idealogy, as there is a good read on the path that deceived a young impressionable hitler that guided him from error to error. In so many ways i can see the same in your comments. Seems to me you lack ability to look at reports objectively with analatical mind and tend to have already taken stance. Maybe a robot systems thread may be more suited to your abilities.

The later indian chieftain links has so much wisdom about empathy and resposibility to self, nature and others. But this seems all elude your minds. I really wonder why?

There is so much lessons there. how the elite of the elites , thru the year , although started with noble intentions, got caught up into bad mindset and in heat of strategies spiraled into opposite poles. Pitching friendly forces of light against each other due to selfish mindsets..................so many lessons. But your mind is so rigid already.

regards

PS: I think i understand what your mindset. Yes, there is a plot in the reporting. I agree. There's the ufo thingy as well. But that doesn't shake my tree at all.i haven't seen any ufos , so i really do not know if they exist or not. But there is good info and lessons to learn from that. There is even plots in financial reporting, depending on which groups you getting your news from , there will be plots. But of course we should be able to discern what is real and what is fabrications. But that doesn't neglate the info and facts that the reports must contain. Never believe what you read or hear point blank. Ponder about it, find where the truth is and where the lies are.

Here, i took the trouble dig this up again for theose who may need.
Courtesy KC Liu 1955.
“Believe not each accusing tongue, As most weak persons do, But still believe that story wrong, Which ought not to be true...."
  • #18,664
  • Edited 9:45pm Sep 4, 2010 9:26pm | Edited 9:45pm
Quoting fti
Hi vic,
I see.
It is noted and taken into advisement.
But i hope you will not judge the message and the b.gita based on this man's weakness in character.
This clip was not intended to promote the person but that i was trying make the point to people who were trying to ask for the instant enlightment on trading skills ( the summary people) and also in highlighting to some member's lack of ability to study and their lack of the time resource.
However I do agree that he would be a bad presenter of the point i was trying to make, after learning...
Chief,

point noted....thanks for pointing me my another rigidity...and now listening to him after your point....its is really something we can all learn from the trading.....one of the lines i liked....god can not be givn liek an instant coffee....i guess same with acquiring trading skills....it comes to those who are ready to be interested and waited...




Thank u

V
  • #18,665
  • Edited 10:01pm Sep 4, 2010 9:37pm | Edited 10:01pm
Quoting indianguyinny24
Chief,

point noted....thanks for pointing me my another rigidity...

Thank u

V
most welcome.
and thank you for the headsup on the info.
These days , its difficult judge a book by its cover. another lesson about deception. I remembered christ taught "Beware the Wolf in sheep skins".

regards

PS: can even learn goodness from the evils? Revisiting the scene of the crime,
I really wondered if khrisnan, ever said he was greater than God. I Doubt it, as masters are normally very humble beings. There we may see this chap's folly. He should had listened to himself. Poor chap ended up hurting himself. His first words, God will never harm, but of love. Which reminds me,. Never never use God's name in vain. He'll fix it soonest.
  • #18,666
  • Sep 4, 2010 9:59pm Sep 4, 2010 9:59pm
Quoting fti
most welcome.
and thank you for the headsup on the info.
These days , its difficult judge a book by its cover. another lesson about deception. I remembered christ taught "Beware the Wolf in sheep skins".

regards

PS: can even learn goodness from the evils? Revisiting the scene of the crime,
I really wondered if khrisnan, ever said he was greater than God. I Doubt it, as masters are normally very humble beings. There we may see this chap's folly.
Chief,

It goes deep....the book is GITA..... any HINDU should and would know about this book....lot of thing he said in context... this thing that i am GOD and i am everything was in context of something...for that i am too small to tell here....

many things even u teach here...

1. Dont worry about result... worry about the process...
2. what did you bought when u came to this earth...what will u take away when you leave...
3. if you bought nothign then what could be yours when you are alive..
4. why u think about "I want this"...

so on so forth.....

V
  • #18,667
  • Edited 10:56pm Sep 4, 2010 10:10pm | Edited 10:56pm
Quoting indianguyinny24
Chief,

It goes deep....the book is GITA..... any HINDU should and would know about this book....lot of thing he said in context... this thing that i am GOD and i am everything was in context of something...for that i am too small to tell here....

many things even u teach here...

1. Dont worry about result... worry about the process...
2. what did you bought when u came to this earth...what will u take away when you leave...
3. if you bought nothign then what could be yours when you are alive..
4. why u think about "I want this"...

so...
yes vic, there's much parallels in christ's teaching and teachings of other prophets and spiritual teachers.
My understanding is that christ did do a walk about in India in his youth, Only that it was not well documented. During those days, trade route was along that silk road all the way to Turkey. Christ also taught middle path in his teachings for living life. Then he told us his mission, to lay a way for us to heaven. That we sinners may have the accension possibilities by God's grace. For ALL had sinned and come short the glory. But then not all that calls christ Lord will accend. Not all who worships God will have a place in heaven. Only those that keeps his 2 commandments will he recognise.

1. To Love God with all their might and all their soul in keeping to Moses 1st commandment.
2. To Love thy neighbour as thy self.
So in effects is only 1 commandment. The commandment of Love.

regards
  • #18,668
  • Sep 5, 2010 12:57am Sep 5, 2010 12:57am
Quoting fti
Not all who worships God will have a place in heaven. Only those that keeps his 2 commandments will he recognise.
1. To Love God with all their might and all their soul in keeping to Moses 1st commandment.
2. To Love thy neighbour as thy self.
So in effects is only 1 commandment. The commandment of Love.
regards
I sincerely appreciate the depth of your wisdom and knowledge and anything if we may add, becomes superfluous.
I have been fortunate enough to come in contact with three enlightened masters, and the message is the same.
Actually it is difficult to recognize them externally as they are without any paraphernalia. Love is the key. Everyone is destined to reach that state at some point in time ultimately, as it is our true nature.

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"Put all your efforts in becoming effortless"
  • #18,669
  • Sep 5, 2010 1:41am Sep 5, 2010 1:41am
Quoting IamTHAT
I sincerely appreciate the depth of your wisdom and knowledge and anything if we may add, becomes superfluous.
I have been fortunate enough to come in contact with three enlightened masters, and the message is the same.
Actually it is difficult to recognize them externally as they are without any paraphernalia. Love is the key. Everyone is destined to reach that state at some point in time ultimately, as it is our true nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrw7bE_a4NY
  • #18,670
  • Edited 2:10am Sep 5, 2010 1:50am | Edited 2:10am
a little trading related 'insight' for this weekend: (video link)
"We are the ones that want to choose
Always want to play
But you never want to lose " (lyrics from the song 'Aerials' by System of a Down)
  • #18,671
  • Edited 7:40am Sep 5, 2010 5:49am | Edited 7:40am
Quoting IamTHAT
I sincerely appreciate the depth of your wisdom and knowledge and anything if we may add, becomes superfluous.
I have been fortunate enough to come in contact with three enlightened masters, and the message is the same.
Actually it is difficult to recognize them externally as they are without any paraphernalia. Love is the key. Everyone is destined to reach that state at some point in time ultimately, as it is our true nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrw7bE_a4NY
Hi IamThat,
not so wise than Jesus Christ I am. for it is he that taught me all.
for in his words speaks very clearly to me. The truth of all things.

In my studies, From the genesis of this world to the revelation of John. For me all the works of man from the very begining and to the end had brought me to the only seeing the duality of results of the actions of man and his church(works). If you analyse it case by case and era by era in self study.
I had found it to be so.
My understandings is anchoured on Christ for his teachings and parables, wherein contains all the truths. He so rightly declared.
"For I am the way , the truth and the light, and no one comes to the father(the creator) but by me."
and that "All had sinned and come short the glory of God."
so " it is not by man's works that he shall find salvation"
but if you take time to read and understand and live on Christ's teachings in the gospels then all the answers to life and living is opened for you.

It all starts in the Gospel of Matthew.

I am just a little speck of dust walking around his great creation.
Glory and Power and kingdom is all God's.
Blessings

regards
  • #18,672
  • Edited 9:42am Sep 5, 2010 9:00am | Edited 9:42am
Hi Fti, special thanks for your teachings.I also like to thank the other traders for their contributions too(piccolo,jest,zoran,lusan,auxesis,musgrove,dutchangel,green david,mamood,maheswara,lilpip,rapaduski,joypips and others----Leighswwi too.)
I do not trade anymore, have traded shares for a few years about a decade ago but that trading thing never goes away, did not lose much in the learning process but could not rely solely on trading for a living, usual things undercapitalsed etc.
Came across this site and this thread 2 to 3 weeks ago by an accident and have not stopped reading since, best book i have ever read/reading(upto page 360).Thank you Fti for this special knowledge, may open a demo account soon.
I am glad this thread is still open to lurkers like me who are either too shy, do not have enough knowledge to post as yet or have other reasons BUT we are greatful for this thread.
Bill
  • #18,673
  • Sep 5, 2010 11:05am Sep 5, 2010 11:05am
Quoting fti
Seeing but only a shell, hearing but only the wind.
Thou shall not judge, for by the same measure thou shall be judge.
Thou shall know , when thou reincarnates into it.
Born Again into it. Can thou know a tree, unless one is.
regards

wisdom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfvUA2vRAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piIziXU9RE

its on youtube.........link them yoursellf
Hi fti, thank you for your attention. I don't believe I made any judgement by saying what I said.

Originally Posted by Zoran http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
This guy seems more genuine. I'm not sure about the first guy.

Using the language "seems" and "not sure" is not a judgement. If I said the guy is genuine and the other guy is a fake then the judgement is clear.

The truth is, I'm not sure whether they are being truthful or not but I'm not prepared to disregard it and I'll keep an open mind. I believe in conspiracies but not everything is a conspiracy. As you once mentioned, in the truth lies the deception and in the deception lies the truth. Not everything is so black and white.
  • #18,674
  • Sep 5, 2010 11:07am Sep 5, 2010 11:07am
Quoting fti
The reasons why some will not see.
The reasons why some cannot see.
That which can be given, can only be received when vessel is ready to receive.
Ai ya,that which is not received is taken and carried in the winds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd6KdyGrzA4

You will find the examples and lessons of this failure in
Thw legend Alantis.
I was going to say that this would be good to put in the very first post of this thread. However, I know nothing of the speaker although a similar message by someone else less controversial should be just as good.
  • #18,675
  • Edited 12:05pm Sep 5, 2010 11:22am | Edited 12:05pm
Even though a bit old still a very interesting read. Somehow reminds me of the old saying "when everyone and their uncles start talking about buying that means it's time to start selling"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...misguided.html

FYI Hugh Hendry's fund, Eclectica, is world's best performing hedge fund this year according to Bloomberg.

Regards
S
  • #18,676
  • Edited 12:25pm Sep 5, 2010 11:24am | Edited 12:25pm
Quoting Zoran
Hi fti, thank you for your attention....
no one knows if that is truth. no one.
Its he relating his experience only.
His reasons because he appalded with his "bosses" behaviours.
He has his personal agenda. That has nothing to do with us.
We can only observe and think.
Once we take sides we become bias and will be unable to analayse any more.
What ever he experience is his own. This not for bias. Just for training of mindset. If not neutral , gets sucked into circumstances.

Don't get agitated, this not directed at you.
Just replied that people can see intent of clips. Only for mindset education.


regards
  • #18,677
  • Edited 1:33pm Sep 5, 2010 12:23pm | Edited 1:33pm
Quoting Setebos
Even though a bit old still a very interesting read. Somehow reminds me of the old saying "when everyone and their uncles start talking about buying that means it's time to start selling"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...misguided.html

FYI Hugh Hendry's fund, Eclectica, is world's best performing hedge fund this year according to Bloomberg.

Regards
S

"Smith suggests that real wealth is founded on the skills and productivity of a country's citizens."
How true.
Over productivity is a dangerous polarisation of their economies. If their domestic consumption becomes unable to sustain the productivity. In essence, would be even more detrimental for weak trade partners, when she needs resort to "dumping" to shake off the over-inventories for balance. Can you see, the possibilities down the road?

So who's fault is it to allow for fueling consumption and providing the unchecked space for accelerated challenge to others for productivity to meet to the consumption. Now that the positions is a tug of war to wrestle in that consumption, over capacity at the other end becomes threat. See what going down the wrong economic path can lead to?

Protectism is non option for remedy, as that will fuel other abrations. And world free trade become marytred. Always strive for balance and sustainable growth and consumption. Extremes at either end of the poles is never a good deal. Micro managing with macro capacities is bad policy.


regards
  • #18,678
  • Sep 5, 2010 12:53pm Sep 5, 2010 12:53pm
Quoting fti

"Smith suggests that real wealth is founded on the skills and productivity of a country's citizens."
How true.
Over productivity is a dangerous polarisation of their economies. If their domestic consumption becomes unable to sustain the productivity. In essence, would be even more detrimental for weak trade partners, when she needs resort to "dumping" to shake off the over-inventories for balance. Can you see, the possibilities down the road?

regards
More then 200 years later Adam Smith's wisdom is still irreplaceable, isn't it. Truly amazing. Too bad most modern financiers forget the roots, where it all began.

On the subject of China - as I mentioned this article is a bit old (more then 6 months I think) and since then the Chinese took some steps to cool their building sector down after they found themselves with empty newly built towns on their hands.
The fundamental fact however remains - massive investments without adequate wealth creation for the average Chinese citizen to boost domestic consumption is most likely to bring a hole bunch of problems. The world won't be interested forever if all boxes are not ticked. Money is like water - it will find other places to go, it always does. I wonder what's gonna happen to the "Chinese miracle" if that really happens in the near future
  • #18,679
  • Edited 1:15pm Sep 5, 2010 12:58pm | Edited 1:15pm
Quoting Setebos
More then 200 years later Adam Smith's wisdom is still irreplaceable, isn't it. Truly amazing. Too bad most modern financiers forget the roots, where it all began.

On the subject of China - as I mentioned this article is a bit old (more then 6 months I think) and since then the Chinese took some steps to cool their building sector down after they found themselves with empty newly built towns on their hands....
yes ,Setebos, is is a concern. But i look at it and instead wonder the ripple and impact and effects of that on smaller and fragile economies.
The planned flooding the economy to spur growth ( dumping from heli) was a posssibility that did not take into consideration that the flooding , instead of spuring growth domestically, would drain off instead to inflate others via blantant uncheck consumption. You see before the chinese miracle of her opening her trade doors, there was little leakage possibility. Oversighted?

In many ways the multiplier effect that the feds so awaited seems non effective to boost the american productivity. More like boosted elsewhere. But then this isn't playing out to be a good thing even for the chinese in the long run, for fear that they galopping growth could suddenly deflate if the fire was not fanned and her domestic consumption fails to rainin the slack. And that would bring much wildcard problems in the longer run. Balance still s the key. And the medicine is for now very bitter.



regards.
  • #18,680
  • Sep 5, 2010 1:21pm Sep 5, 2010 1:21pm
Quoting fti
yes ,Setebos, is is a concern. But i look at it and instead wonder the ripple and impact and effects of that on smaller and fragile economies.
The planned flooding the economy to spur growth ( dumping from heli) was a posssibility that did not take into consideration that the flooding , instead of spuring growth domestically, would drain off instead to inflate others. You see before the chinese miracle of her opening her trade doors, their was little leakage possibility. Oversighted?

In many ways the multiplier effect that the feds so awaited...

Couldn't agree more. I guess these are some of the "interesting times" meant by the popular Chinese saying...

It's Sunday evening here so I will go spend some time with friends and have a good sleep - I need to have my body relaxed and my mind clear and sharp for the upcoming trading week

See you all tomorrow on the battle stations.

Regards
S
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